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Rodgers was 20 of 28 in 07 72% CPR why would anyone think he sucked? people that still wanted Favre had almost nothing to do with Rodgers play, Favre, like Rodgers now and probably still in 2022 or23 will still prefer Rodgers over Love, thats just how this stuff works out, when players are rookies or 2nd year players, they have to wow ya during minimum exposure.
Yeah. I guess it's just the personality type.
I'm always a planner, a forward looker. I'm an econ, finance and accounting major. Business consulting, working with business owners and CFO's, planning and forward looking is what I do.
So I guess when faced with a decision knowing full well it's going to likely be one or the other, I will take the younger guy.
I would have loved Favre in 2008. But if I was told that Rodgers would not be a Packer if Favre got the reigns in 2008...I'm taking Rodgers. Every single time. If I knew Rodgers would have been okay waiting one more...I'm going Brett for one more season.
My hope and wish was we would get Rodgers at minimum for 2021 and likely 2022. Honestly I never dreamed Rodgers being a Packer in 2021 would be a problem, but Rodgers decided to make a stink about this and threaten to take his ball and go home.
So now we are in a decision bind. If push comes to shove, I'm once again going with the young guy. But that is my personality. It ultimately comes down to I don't think the Packers can keep a roster as good as it had last year beyond this season. So I'd rather take my lumps with the young guy and start building for our next window.
I am just hoping Rodgers gives us one last Dance.
well you think like this I think mostly because your young, and don't take that as a insult, K, thats usually though how this stuff plays out, young ins are always kicking the aged old decrepids out the door, even though they built the dang door
I think with age comes ingenuity, once the physical skill start to diminish then the better player/smarter players figure out ( with the help of a smart innovative coach) how to game plan and execute wiser, thats what I meant before about Manning with Denver, and what Favre was unable to do with Minny, Favres physical ability was seldom good enough to over come his mental lapses, I hate to say this about that jack as s but he single handidly wiped out our chances in a half dozen big games with his late game blunders, like Rodgers, but much much worse, neither QB have been great when it matters most, so if thats our measuring point for success, we might as well start Love right away, and trade this over the hill, filthy tangled hair, face un shaven, quitar wannabe, dis respectable employee as soon as possible
Omg, yes. Was it Brunell they were thinking about or was he later? I forgot about that stuff.
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I'm more of a systems thinker. There are dozens and dozens of untapped QBs whose elite talent never found its way into the right spot and earned the right recognition because something went wrong or differently. But they only exist in counterfactual universes, and so such a thought can never be more than conjecture, unprovable and unknown.
I have to assume they were considering Detmer because Brunell was a 5th round rookie in '93.
Rodgers was 20 of 28 in 07 72% CPR why would anyone think he sucked? people that still wanted Favre had almost nothing to do with Rodgers play, Favre, like Rodgers now and probably still in 2022 or23 will still prefer Rodgers over Love, thats just how this stuff works out, when players are rookies or 2nd year players, they have to wow ya during minimum exposure.
Yeah. I guess it's just the personality type.
I'm always a planner, a forward looker. I'm an econ, finance and accounting major. Business consulting, working with business owners and CFO's, planning and forward looking is what I do.
So I guess when faced with a decision knowing full well it's going to likely be one or the other, I will take the younger guy.
I would have loved Favre in 2008. But if I was told that Rodgers would not be a Packer if Favre got the reigns in 2008...I'm taking Rodgers. Every single time. If I knew Rodgers would have been okay waiting one more...I'm going Brett for one more season.
My hope and wish was we would get Rodgers at minimum for 2021 and likely 2022. Honestly I never dreamed Rodgers being a Packer in 2021 would be a problem, but Rodgers decided to make a stink about this and threaten to take his ball and go home.
So now we are in a decision bind. If push comes to shove, I'm once again going with the young guy. But that is my personality. It ultimately comes down to I don't think the Packers can keep a roster as good as it had last year beyond this season. So I'd rather take my lumps with the young guy and start building for our next window.
I am just hoping Rodgers gives us one last Dance.
well you think like this I think mostly because your young, and don't take that as a insult, K, thats usually though how this stuff plays out, young ins are always kicking the aged old decrepids out the door, even though they built the dang door
I think with age comes ingenuity, once the physical skill start to diminish then the better player/smarter players figure out ( with the help of a smart innovative coach) how to game plan and execute wiser, thats what I meant before about Manning with Denver, and what Favre was unable to do with Minny, Favres physical ability was seldom good enough to over come his mental lapses, I hate to say this about that jack as s but he single handidly wiped out our chances in a half dozen big games with his late game blunders, like Rodgers, but much much worse, neither QB have been great when it matters most, so if thats our measuring point for success, we might as well start Love right away, and trade this over the hill, filthy tangled hair, face un shaven, quitar wannabe, dis respectable employee as soon as possible
Yeah that's not what I was talking about at all though.
Ok guys, screw the drama, @Yoop and I are just gonna get high and tell stories of Packers people we've met now.
Did y'all know that Ron Wolf moved to Annapolis, MD after he retired? I sold his family a set of Cutco knives.
I have one PSA certified piece of paper encapsulated in plastic with 5 Henry Jordan autographs on it that no one wants to pay me fair market value for. Life as a Packers fan can be cruel sometimes.
Lots of good pubs and coffee shops in Annapolis too.
i think that what mlf and bg needs.to do
is paly jordan love more in things like
preseason.and blowouts.they need to
give thekid achance so we can see
if he will become a PILAR of the GB
franchise.all i know is COMEON BG!!
In all seriousness though, if I had to bet then I would bet yes. MLF comes from the same system as Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, and they took Jimmy G and Jared Goff to the Super Bowl. And in all honesty Jimmy G should have won it. So, I have enough trust in MLF to say that he probably doesn't even need a good QB to succeed. Rodgers was ass in 2019, and an MVP in 2020, and there was no difference in the result. I don't know if Love is going to actually be good or not, but if he's the starter for an MLF offense, he's more likely than not to succeed.
In all seriousness though, if I had to bet then I would bet yes. MLF comes from the same system as Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, and they took Jimmy G and Jared Goff to the Super Bowl. And in all honesty Jimmy G should have won it. So, I have enough trust in MLF to say that he probably doesn't even need a good QB to succeed. Rodgers was ass in 2019, and an MVP in 2020, and there was no difference in the result. I don't know if Love is going to actually be good or not, but if he's the starter for an MLF offense, he's more likely than not to succeed.
i think that what mlf and bg needs.to do
is paly jordan love more in things like
preseason.and blowouts.they need to
give thekid achance so we can see
if he will become a PILAR of the GB
franchise.all i know is COMEON BG!!
In all seriousness though, if I had to bet then I would bet yes. MLF comes from the same system as Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, and they took Jimmy G and Jared Goff to the Super Bowl. And in all honesty Jimmy G should have won it. So, I have enough trust in MLF to say that he probably doesn't even need a good QB to succeed. Rodgers was ass in 2019, and an MVP in 2020, and there was no difference in the result. I don't know if Love is going to actually be good or not, but if he's the starter for an MLF offense, he's more likely than not to succeed.
What about the titans
Marcus Marriota went from a career 62% passer to a 68% passer. Not the best outcomes otherwise, but a massive increase in accuracy like that is fairly rare. Plus Marriota was playing on a bum elbow and only had one year in the scheme. Rodgers was still putting up meh numbers in his first year in.
i think that what mlf and bg needs.to do
is paly jordan love more in things like
preseason.and blowouts.they need to
give thekid achance so we can see
if he will become a PILAR of the GB
franchise.all i know is COMEON BG!!
i think that what mlf and bg needs.to do
is paly jordan love more in things like
preseason.and blowouts.they need to
give thekid achance so we can see
if he will become a PILAR of the GB
franchise.all i know is COMEON BG!!
Classic.
Anyone who's not OG Julie's World is wondering what the heck is going on here lol
In all seriousness though, if I had to bet then I would bet yes. MLF comes from the same system as Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, and they took Jimmy G and Jared Goff to the Super Bowl. And in all honesty Jimmy G should have won it. So, I have enough trust in MLF to say that he probably doesn't even need a good QB to succeed. Rodgers was ass in 2019, and an MVP in 2020, and there was no difference in the result. I don't know if Love is going to actually be good or not, but if he's the starter for an MLF offense, he's more likely than not to succeed.
In all seriousness though, if I had to bet then I would bet yes. MLF comes from the same system as Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay, and they took Jimmy G and Jared Goff to the Super Bowl. And in all honesty Jimmy G should have won it. So, I have enough trust in MLF to say that he probably doesn't even need a good QB to succeed. Rodgers was ass in 2019, and an MVP in 2020, and there was no difference in the result. I don't know if Love is going to actually be good or not, but if he's the starter for an MLF offense, he's more likely than not to succeed.
What about the titans
MLF not HC so therefore invalid
I have been wondering about this. Does LaFleur deserve any credit for laying the foundation for Arthur Smith's ascension to HC or the career resurrection of Ryan Tannehill? Arthur Smith's background is really interesting and there is no strong offensive influence in his background other than Mike Mularkey, Ken Whisenhunt, and Matt LaFleur. Given the struggles of those Titan offenses over the years, is it safe to say Matt LaFleur was a big influence? LaFleur needed two years in GB to really get the offense clicking. Did he just not have enough time in Tennessee to really put his stamp on it? I tend to think so.
I found one article that certainly suggests that.
New Falcons head coach Arthur Smith was with the Titans for the better part of a decade; however, his system is unique. Working under former Titans offensive coordinator and now Packers head coach Matt LaFleur has profoundly affected Smith’s own scheme.
I don't know if Love is going to actually be good or not, but if he's the starter for an MLF offense, he's more likely than not to succeed.
I think what you probably mean is that success is not dependent on the QB being MVP level, but more dependent on its supporting parts.
depends on what level of success is wanted, as was noted, not many SB winners won with average QB play.
Oh we'd need better than average for sure, but we can still win a title without MVP caliber QB play. 3 of the last 6 Super Bowl champs have won without elite QB play.
I think what you probably mean is that success is not dependent on the QB being MVP level, but more dependent on its supporting parts.
depends on what level of success is wanted, as was noted, not many SB winners won with average QB play.
Oh we'd need better than average for sure, but we can still win a title without MVP caliber QB play. 3 of the last 6 Super Bowl champs have won without elite QB play.
they won because every other facet of there teams was top 5 in the league, and all 3 where well above average QB's, this idea that ya can win without great QB's is dubious at best, so many other things have to go near perfect for that stuff to work.
they won because every other facet of there teams was top 5 in the league, and all 3 where well above average QB's, this idea that ya can win without great QB's is dubious at best, so many other things have to go near perfect for that stuff to work.
As is having a top ten all-time QB "carrying" the team. Hasn't really worked out that well for us. I suppose you'll tell me that's because the rest of the team wasn't good enough. So, isn't the point between your contention and mine that we need a good team around the QB no matter what?
they won because every other facet of there teams was top 5 in the league, and all 3 where well above average QB's, this idea that ya can win without great QB's is dubious at best, so many other things have to go near perfect for that stuff to work.
As is having a top ten all-time QB "carrying" the team. Hasn't really worked out that well for us. I suppose you'll tell me that's because the rest of the team wasn't good enough. So, isn't the point between your contention and mine that we need a good team around the QB no matter what?
you insult me by thinking I wouldn't think that, the point is obviously that the Odds are better with that top 10 QB no matter what the situation is with the rest of the team.
So, isn't the point between your contention and mine that we need a good team around the QB no matter what?
This is where the rubber meets the road. Exactly.
I wish we knew a LIITLE more about Love so we could make the calculation, like: ok, the team is good enough to win around Rodgers. How much better does the team need to be to win with Jordan Love?
Is it Jerry Juedy, Patrick Surtain, and a veteran ILB away from being able to win with Love? Is it those guys AND Julio Jones away from being able to win with Love? Is it a more proven OC or more OT depth away from being able to win with Jordan Love?
Only when we have a baseline for Love as a player (Is he Jimmy G? Andy Dalton? Teddy Bridgewater? Goff? Derek Carr? Josh Allen?) can we evaluate what the talent level around him needs to be to field a championship-contending team. And then ask for that in return for Aaron Rodgers.
Without knowing Love's baseline (which we, and the team, has no way to know for sure until preseason at the earliest), then there is no known value for an Aaron Rodgers trade; hence the team's position that it will not trade him. There is no price because the appropriate value cannot yet be assessed.
