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I absolutely think that also. When Rodgers gets in a jam he wants to force feed it to Adams. When Rodgers misses adams in the end zone, he wants to go back to HIM to make up for it..not just make sure we score. I agree with you.
But I still think Clark, Dillon, and Jaire are high draft picks who by the end of the year MUST perform, and it should not be a surprise when they do.
Lafluer should have kept running Dillon, possible issue was that Dillon probably was a liability as a blocker for PA, so when Dillon was in Tampa new it was a run, he did well with his 3 touches but our blocking may not have sustained that production.
I would have run Jamaal and Dillon every play the entire fourth quarter. Get 3.5 yards a carry and never give Brady the ball back. After about ten runs in a row and they put 8 in the box, then let Rodgers fire the Go route to MVS or hit Adams deep on play action.
Easy to say it now, but I was screaming it then too.
Yup. To quote the famous Mike from the Upper Peninsula
"It was so obvious. Everyone could see it"
I was very, very disappointed they didn't feed Dillon the ball. I have no doubt we are SB champs if they had.
Lafluer should have kept running Dillon, possible issue was that Dillon probably was a liability as a blocker for PA, so when Dillon was in Tampa new it was a run, he did well with his 3 touches but our blocking may not have sustained that production.
I would have run Jamaal and Dillon every play the entire fourth quarter. Get 3.5 yards a carry and never give Brady the ball back. After about ten runs in a row and they put 8 in the box, then let Rodgers fire the Go route to MVS or hit Adams deep on play action.
Easy to say it now, but I was screaming it then too.
Yup. To quote the famous Mike from the Upper Peninsula
"It was so obvious. Everyone could see it"
I was very, very disappointed they didn't feed Dillon the ball. I have no doubt we are SB champs if they had.
2020 has fully replaced 2014 in my eyes bc then we still had to beat a good Patriots team. This time all we would need to do would beat a team with no first string tackles playing, a coach in jail, and the head coach worrying about his son. This one hurts worse.
I would have run Jamaal and Dillon every play the entire fourth quarter. Get 3.5 yards a carry and never give Brady the ball back. After about ten runs in a row and they put 8 in the box, then let Rodgers fire the Go route to MVS or hit Adams deep on play action.
Easy to say it now, but I was screaming it then too.
tend to agree, but would they have gotten 3.5 yac, debatable, but I would have tried, thing is coaches get in a rut, they are convinced that what they are doing should work, cause it has in the past, and it's hard for them to adjust, Lafluer was so convinced that running wasn't the answer he gave up using it.
Moment was a little big for him. That or he was calling runs and Rodgers was checking out of them bc he wanted the ball in his hands. Ive been so curious as to which of those two options is true.
possible, but imo Rodgers last season used far less audibles then in the past, I'am serious when I say as the game wore on, our blocking kept declining, I saw a stat about that a while back, wish I new where I'd bring it, cause it pointed out the average time Rodgers had prior to disruption, something like 2 flat or even less, and typically if ya can't pass block, run blocking is even worse, so again it's debatable that we could sustain running to keep drives alive, again I would have tried it more then Matt did.
I think if we want to pin the woes of offensive production on any one thing as I excessively have with the absence of a bonafide slot specialist it would be our broken down offensive line, yep there the culprit
I would have run Jamaal and Dillon every play the entire fourth quarter. Get 3.5 yards a carry and never give Brady the ball back. After about ten runs in a row and they put 8 in the box, then let Rodgers fire the Go route to MVS or hit Adams deep on play action.
Easy to say it now, but I was screaming it then too.
Yup. To quote the famous Mike from the Upper Peninsula
"It was so obvious. Everyone could see it"
I was very, very disappointed they didn't feed Dillon the ball. I have no doubt we are SB champs if they had.
2020 has fully replaced 2014 in my eyes bc then we still had to beat a good Patriots team. This time all we would need to do would beat a team with no first string tackles playing, a coach in jail, and the head coach worrying about his son. This one hurts worse.
The 2020 roster is the best roster assembled since the 1996 team. 2020 is a better football team than 2014.
It's why, as you stated, it hurts we lost this one so much. I mean even King. King had his moments during his career, but the NFCCG meltdown was uncharacteristic of any of our starting CBs the last few years. It's not like this was Josh Jackson out there.
For people who keep saying stuff like this, i must ask, who? Who is saying that?
The people who make arguments against him
Who is making arguments against Rodgers having a great impact on the success of the Packers?
The same posters including yourself. There is the widespread media narrative that Rodgers carries the team and some posters hate it - I don't know why. But they will defend vehemently that that isn't the case and he has top players around him. The guy statistically is basically the best QB of all time. His effect no receiver and line play is massive and that will be the most interesting thing to see - not the drop in QB play but the drop in the play of the talent around the QB.
Who is making arguments against Rodgers having a great impact on the success of the Packers?
The same posters including yourself. There is the widespread media narrative that Rodgers carries the team and some posters hate it - I don't know why. But they will defend vehemently that that isn't the case and he has top players around him. The guy statistically is basically the best QB of all time. His effect no receiver and line play is massive and that will be the most interesting thing to see - not the drop in QB play but the drop in the play of the talent around the QB.
Who is making arguments against Rodgers having a great impact on the success of the Packers?
The same posters including yourself. There is the widespread media narrative that Rodgers carries the team and some posters hate it - I don't know why. But they will defend vehemently that that isn't the case and he has top players around him. The guy statistically is basically the best QB of all time. His effect no receiver and line play is massive and that will be the most interesting thing to see - not the drop in QB play but the drop in the play of the talent around the QB.
Just my opinion of course.
I think the question will be what should the expected drop in Packers play be if Rodgers isn't suited up? Like obviously the expected level in play from Rodgers to Love is tremendous.
But if the Packers say get in as a wildcard at 10-7 or 11-6 would that be enough to show the Packers are a legit roster outside of Rodgers? Would missing the playoffs be enough?
Because the biggest gap is that the Packers defenders maintain the roster being pretty damned good only for 2019 and 2020. Nobody is defending the Packers from 2015 - 2018. Because everyone knows they were terrible.
Who is making arguments against Rodgers having a great impact on the success of the Packers?
The same posters including yourself. There is the widespread media narrative that Rodgers carries the team and some posters hate it - I don't know why. But they will defend vehemently that that isn't the case and he has top players around him. The guy statistically is basically the best QB of all time. His effect no receiver and line play is massive and that will be the most interesting thing to see - not the drop in QB play but the drop in the play of the talent around the QB.
Just my opinion of course.
Your opinion is dead wrong,. No poster here, including myself, believes Rodgers has not had a great impact on the success of the Packers. It's your strawman because you don't have a leg to stand on without it.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
The same posters including yourself. There is the widespread media narrative that Rodgers carries the team and some posters hate it - I don't know why. But they will defend vehemently that that isn't the case and he has top players around him. The guy statistically is basically the best QB of all time. His effect no receiver and line play is massive and that will be the most interesting thing to see - not the drop in QB play but the drop in the play of the talent around the QB.
Just my opinion of course.
Your opinion is dead wrong,. No poster here, including myself, believes Rodgers has not had a great impact on the success of the Packers. It's your strawman because you don't have a leg to stand on without it.
The same posters including yourself. There is the widespread media narrative that Rodgers carries the team and some posters hate it - I don't know why. But they will defend vehemently that that isn't the case and he has top players around him. The guy statistically is basically the best QB of all time. His effect no receiver and line play is massive and that will be the most interesting thing to see - not the drop in QB play but the drop in the play of the talent around the QB.
Just my opinion of course.
I think the question will be what should the expected drop in Packers play be if Rodgers isn't suited up? Like obviously the expected level in play from Rodgers to Love is tremendous.
But if the Packers say get in as a wildcard at 10-7 or 11-6 would that be enough to show the Packers are a legit roster outside of Rodgers? Would missing the playoffs be enough?
Because the biggest gap is that the Packers defenders maintain the roster being pretty damned good only for 2019 and 2020. Nobody is defending the Packers from 2015 - 2018. Because everyone knows they were terrible.
If we trade Rodgers for draft picks and we make the playoffs that will be a great result and show that this is a quality side. Unless its one of those years where you make the playoffs with a losing record.
I think Jones is a good running back. I still just have the feeling receivers and line are going to struggle with no Rodgers.
Your opinion is dead wrong,. No poster here, including myself, believes Rodgers has not had a great impact on the success of the Packers. It's your strawman because you don't have a leg to stand on without it.
Its your strawman
I think you might not understand what a strawman argument is. Either that or you're secretly a tween and that's just how you approach an argument.
My actual argument is that Aaron Rodgers has had a huge impact on the success of the Packers the last 13 seasons. He has been the most talented player in the field. He has also had bad plays, poor games, and mediocre seasons. He is not infallible and he does need a decent team around him to be excellent. The front office has made plenty of mistakes over the years, but no more or less than any other team.
Now, you can yoop that all you want in your own mind, but don't come here and say it is anything other than the above.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Your opinion is dead wrong,. No poster here, including myself, believes Rodgers has not had a great impact on the success of the Packers. It's your strawman because you don't have a leg to stand on without it.
Its your strawman
I think you might not understand what a strawman argument is. Either that or you're secretly a tween and that's just how you approach an argument.
My actual argument is that Aaron Rodgers has had a huge impact on the success of the Packers the last 13 seasons. He has been the most talented player in the field. He has also had bad plays, poor games, and mediocre seasons. He is not infallible and he does need a decent team around him to be excellent. The front office has made plenty of mistakes over the years, but no more or less than any other team.
Now, you can yoop that all you want in your own mind, but don't come here and say it is anything other than the above.
blah blah blah, you and GPG are his harshest critics, you guys will over look sins of almost every other player, but never Rodgers, defend coaches, and specially GM's as well, Rodgers has carried this team through having almost zero running game and a defense that rarely broke top 20 off and on for a decade, I've had to sit here and listen to it, and now your going to deny it or call me out, kma.
I think you might not understand what a strawman argument is. Either that or you're secretly a tween and that's just how you approach an argument.
My actual argument is that Aaron Rodgers has had a huge impact on the success of the Packers the last 13 seasons. He has been the most talented player in the field. He has also had bad plays, poor games, and mediocre seasons. He is not infallible and he does need a decent team around him to be excellent. The front office has made plenty of mistakes over the years, but no more or less than any other team.
Now, you can yoop that all you want in your own mind, but don't come here and say it is anything other than the above.
blah blah blah, you and GPG are his harshest critics, you guys will over look sins of almost every other player, but never Rodgers, defend coaches, and specially GM's as well, I've had to sit here and listen to it, and now your going to deny it or call me out, kma.
You definitely don't just sit there and you for sure don't listen. We all wish you would, though. I am absolutely going to call you out because what you say above is false, all of it. Exhibit A: Is your memory that bad you forgot about the years I criticized Capers and you hero worshipped him?
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I think you might not understand what a strawman argument is. Either that or you're secretly a tween and that's just how you approach an argument.
My actual argument is that Aaron Rodgers has had a huge impact on the success of the Packers the last 13 seasons. He has been the most talented player in the field. He has also had bad plays, poor games, and mediocre seasons. He is not infallible and he does need a decent team around him to be excellent. The front office has made plenty of mistakes over the years, but no more or less than any other team.
Now, you can yoop that all you want in your own mind, but don't come here and say it is anything other than the above.
blah blah blah, you and GPG are his harshest critics, you guys will over look sins of almost every other player, but never Rodgers, defend coaches, and specially GM's as well, I've had to sit here and listen to it, and now your going to deny it or call me out, kma.
You definitely don't just sit there and you for sure don't listen. We all wish you would, though. I am absolutely going to call you out because what you say above is false, all of it. Exhibit A: Is your memory that bad you forgot about the years I criticized Capers and you hero worshipped him?
get real, you and only several others think the real problem was Capers, complete position groups void of starter talent year after year, finally the last couple years we've had decent coverage and pass rush, usually it's either one or the other, Pettine had vastly better talent and only did marginally better, but just keep living in denial, we had a crap defense because we had to many jag players, the reason I hero worshipped him is because he wasn't the biggest problem, yet you would not admit that the talent level was, you still don't, your oblivious of the much better pass rush, the fact we actually have a top 5 safety group, and the best CB in the league and 2 other that might be top 20, ya just keep blaming Capers, your a hoot.
Are you really turning this into another defense of Dom Capers argument?! Holy &%$@... The guy hasn't coached here in 3 seasons and we are on to the 2nd DC after him. I would say it's unbelievable, but it really isn't.
Talk about missing the point...
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Are you really turning this into another defense of Dom Capers argument?! Holy &%$@... The guy hasn't coached here in 3 seasons and we are on to the 2nd DC after him. I would say it's unbelievable, but it really isn't.
Talk about missing the point...
your the one that brought Capers into this, the point is the defense sucked more so do to lack of talent, then coaching, thats it.
The statement was to exemplify that I do criticize coaches, when it was said I defend coaches... The first example of the false narrative you are pushing. Does that help?
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Are you really turning this into another defense of Dom Capers argument?! Holy &%$@... The guy hasn't coached here in 3 seasons and we are on to the 2nd DC after him. I would say it's unbelievable, but it really isn't.
Talk about missing the point...
your the one that brought Capers into this, the point is the defense sucked more so do to lack of talent, then coaching, thats it.
Yup, Hayward and Hyde sucked and Capers did the right thing by telling this to the front office.
But getting back to AR. From 2008-2014 AR was indeed the most valuable player in the NFL and carried the team more than a QB should have to. Since then he has been above average. Last season he had the best Oline in the league, a top 2 WR and a top 5 RB and a top 5 TE. Plus capable backups at every position except LT. An a decent defense. The word that now best describes AR now is "WAS".
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
it would be our broken down offensive line, yep there the culprit 
