Rank the Roster 2021: #24

[YoHoChecko]

Newman was drafted to play OT if not this season then next. IMO Runyan is strictly a guard even though he played OT in college. As for Patrick, I think his focus will be on center, in case Meyers isn't ready

I'm not trying to say OTAs are everything, but Newman definitely got more snaps at RG than he did at RT, though he got both. And Patrick was the RG with the 1s for the majority of snaps, and was not reported to have any snaps at OC with the 1s, while Meyers took that work. Jake Hansen, even, was reported to be taking the OC snaps with the #2 OL at one point.

So again, not a TON to go off of here, and I hope you're right about Newman being the RT of the future. But the idea that Patrick is "focusing on C in case Meyers isn't ready" is an objectively falsifiable claim at present. It does make sense that he would be the top backup there, but his "focus" is definitely on competing for the starting RG spot at which he was the starter for much of the previous season.

It DOES seem correct, though, that Runyan is exclusively getting looks at OG, even though I think he could do some RT duty in a pinch. Specifically, though, Runyan has been working mostly (not exclusively) at LG. He did have some snaps at RG last season, as well, but according to the reporting on the open practices, LG has been the primary spot for Runyan with rare exceptions. To me, that indicates that he is less competing for the starting RG spot and more the primary backup to Jenkins in the event that Jenkins needs to move elsewhere throughout the season as our multitool. I wish Runyan was getting more RG snaps to compete for that spot, but it's not what we're seeing. Maybe that changes.

[go pak go]

He was next guy up last season which is encouraging. They still went Patrick over him throughout the year though.

Not to mention drafting Newman in the 4th while knowing what they had in him.

Newman was drafted to play OT if not this season then next. IMO Runyan is strictly a guard even though he played OT in college. As for Patrick, I think his focus will be on center, in case Meyers isn't ready

I really don't know what information you are getting to make this assumption.

Newman played RG primarily but also sprinkled in time with the RT. They moved him around but it was during periods of no pads.

In no way whatsoever do we know what the Packers are thinking about Newman or what Newman is capable of doing. I hope he turns into a solid #6 or so Olinan this year and I hope he can become a good chess piece either at guard or RT for our future. But at this point there is absolutely nothing that would or wouldn't tell us that he is.

[go pak go]

I went Jordan Love. I think a talented backup QB should go around this spot regardless. But especially because he may indeed be our starter, I went with Love.

[Yoop]

Here is hoping that I don't have to keep voting for Love after today!

who made you vote for him prior?

to vote for Love is giving up all hope for a SB trophy, I'll vote for him soon as I would any #2 QB.

[Packfntk]

Here is hoping that I don't have to keep voting for Love after today!

who made you vote for him prior?

to vote for Love is giving up all hope for a SB trophy, I'll vote for him soon as I would any #2 QB.

Good thing you don't have that option anymore, because the choice was made for you.

[Yoop]

Here is hoping that I don't have to keep voting for Love after today!

who made you vote for him prior?

to vote for Love is giving up all hope for a SB trophy, I'll vote for him soon as I would any #2 QB.

Good thing you don't have that option anymore, because the choice was made for you.

I'am still holding out hope that Rodgers is our QB, aren't you? that was my point.

[TheSkeptic]

Here is hoping that I don't have to keep voting for Love after today!

who made you vote for him prior?

to vote for Love is giving up all hope for a SB trophy, I'll vote for him soon as I would any #2 QB.

This is simply not true.
What you are saying is that Rodgers is better than Love + Surtain + a 2022 1st round draft pick plus resigning someone like Alexander, Adams or Tonyan? Maybe more, the Packers might get an additional draft pick.

This season, AR is indeed likely to be better than Love. But how much better? Patrick Surtain better? Maybe, maybe not.

And a year from now tell me how the Packers can keep Adams and Tonyan and exercise Jaire's 5th year option while paying an even more outrageous salary to Aaron Rodgers.

So, the Packers with Rodgers don't get Surtain or someone like him, don't get an extra 1st round pick and lose 2 of the 3 of Adams, Tonyan and Alexander because they cannot afford to resign them. This is how the Packers win a SB??? I don't think so

[paco]

Until I see Love do anything it is hard for me to rank him. I have a feeling a lot of you are underestimating what M. Lewis brings to this team.

From a blocking standpoint, he's as good as another OT. For the locker room, there is no one better (but I'm not taking this into account for this ranking). I'm at the point where I expect the returns to be less and less from him. He's 37 and we have a number of good young TE options. I love the guy and glad he's on the team. But with the way I'm ranking, he's not making the list yet.

[Yoop]

Here is hoping that I don't have to keep voting for Love after today!

who made you vote for him prior?

to vote for Love is giving up all hope for a SB trophy, I'll vote for him soon as I would any #2 QB.

This is simply not true.
What you are saying is that Rodgers is better than Love + Surtain + a 2022 1st round draft pick plus resigning someone like Alexander, Adams or Tonyan? Maybe more, the Packers might get an additional draft pick.

This season, AR is indeed likely to be better than Love. But how much better? Patrick Surtain better? Maybe, maybe not.

And a year from now tell me how the Packers can keep Adams and Tonyan and exercise Jaire's 5th year option while paying an even more outrageous salary to Aaron Rodgers.

So, the Packers with Rodgers don't get Surtain or someone like him, don't get an extra 1st round pick and lose 2 of the 3 of Adams, Tonyan and Alexander because they cannot afford to resign them. This is how the Packers win a SB??? I don't think so

very very likely that Rodgers will always be better then Love, so rather then trading him, I'd trade several high priced vets, Rodgers has proven he can carry a team into the playoffs minus a stud starter at every position.

why is it people would rather use Rodgers for draft picks or players in a trade versus just keeping Rodgers till the end of his contract in 2023, he gives us the best chance to win.

[APB]

why is it people would rather use Rodgers for draft picks or players in a trade versus just keeping Rodgers till the end of his contract in 2023, he gives us the best chance to win.

Because it can be very reasonably argued the Packers have NOT been successful (in terms of SB wins) with the current pay-Rodgers-top-tier-money-at-the-expense-of-the-rest-of-the-roster model and, with the expectation that his play will likely fall off in the very near future, the best chance to win would be to maximize his value via trade and roll with Love who, while not providing MVP caliber play, could provide competent play.

[Drj820]

why is it people would rather use Rodgers for draft picks or players in a trade versus just keeping Rodgers till the end of his contract in 2023, he gives us the best chance to win.

Because it can be very reasonably argued the Packers have NOT been successful (in terms of SB wins) with the current pay-Rodgers-top-tier-money-at-the-expense-of-the-rest-of-the-roster model and, with the expectation that his play will likely fall off in the very near future, the best chance to win would be to maximize his value via trade and roll with Love who, while not providing MVP caliber play, could provide competent play.

Do you think even if we had more cap space because Rodgers was gone that we could actually bring in enough players of quality to be better than we were with Rodgers? As in, without Rodgers could we bring in the guys to win a sb when we havent been able to win with Rodgers?

For me, I would think there isnt enough money in the world to compensate for what 12 brings on the FA market considering how it seems the Packers have to overpay for FAs to want to come here. Many dont seem to like the cold and want a bigger city.

The only way it works is if Love is not average, not competent, but VERY GOOD. Which he may be, but quite the gamble.

[Yoop]

why is it people would rather use Rodgers for draft picks or players in a trade versus just keeping Rodgers till the end of his contract in 2023, he gives us the best chance to win.

Because it can be very reasonably argued the Packers have NOT been successful (in terms of SB wins) with the current pay-Rodgers-top-tier-money-at-the-expense-of-the-rest-of-the-roster model and, with the expectation that his play will likely fall off in the very near future, the best chance to win would be to maximize his value via trade and roll with Love who, while not providing MVP caliber play, could provide competent play.

Rodgers isn't the reason we lose those games, and we've has some pretty stacked rosters in several of the losses, MCarthys run run run run in 2014 was just as crazy as Lafluer kicking a FG last year, and abandoning the run for most of the 2nd half.

this having a cheaper QB so the team can buy more ufa isn't the answer either, and Rodgers cap cost pays for itself because he brings so much to this team, your gonna find that out soon enough if Rodgers sits the season out.

[salmar80]

why is it people would rather use Rodgers for draft picks or players in a trade versus just keeping Rodgers till the end of his contract in 2023, he gives us the best chance to win.

Because it can be very reasonably argued the Packers have NOT been successful (in terms of SB wins) with the current pay-Rodgers-top-tier-money-at-the-expense-of-the-rest-of-the-roster model and, with the expectation that his play will likely fall off in the very near future, the best chance to win would be to maximize his value via trade and roll with Love who, while not providing MVP caliber play, could provide competent play.

Do you think even if we had more cap space because Rodgers was gone that we could actually bring in enough players of quality to be better than we were with Rodgers? As in, without Rodgers could we bring in the guys to win a sb when we havent been able to win with Rodgers?

For me, I would think there isnt enough money in the world to compensate for what 12 brings on the FA market considering how it seems the Packers have to overpay for FAs to want to come here. Many dont seem to like the cold and want a bigger city.

The only way it works is if Love is not average, not competent, but VERY GOOD. Which he may be, but quite the gamble.

There is no guaranteed route to the SB. There's a risk with both the keep AR and the trade AR -scenarios.

I personally think that AR is worth his salary and cap hit, even if it costs missing out some FAs. The risk comes from having to draft well/find bargains to be cheap elsewhere on the roster. Miss on picks and you end up with holes on the roster. Draft real well, and AR will lift the team.

If we trade AR for a motherload of picks, then we could build a deep overall roster with no obvious holes. There would be so much cap space and high picks that Gutey would be a kid in the candy store. But if Love sucks, it may not matter, and there's a chance of a death spiral that can doom the team to mediocrity for a long while... If on the other hand Love is an unlikely smash hit, that could result in a historically great team.

If we want several good shots at the SB, stick with AR. Wanna go all-in with a risky move, pull for the trade.

[Drj820]

Because it can be very reasonably argued the Packers have NOT been successful (in terms of SB wins) with the current pay-Rodgers-top-tier-money-at-the-expense-of-the-rest-of-the-roster model and, with the expectation that his play will likely fall off in the very near future, the best chance to win would be to maximize his value via trade and roll with Love who, while not providing MVP caliber play, could provide competent play.

Do you think even if we had more cap space because Rodgers was gone that we could actually bring in enough players of quality to be better than we were with Rodgers? As in, without Rodgers could we bring in the guys to win a sb when we havent been able to win with Rodgers?

For me, I would think there isnt enough money in the world to compensate for what 12 brings on the FA market considering how it seems the Packers have to overpay for FAs to want to come here. Many dont seem to like the cold and want a bigger city.

The only way it works is if Love is not average, not competent, but VERY GOOD. Which he may be, but quite the gamble.

There is no guaranteed route to the SB. There's a risk with both the keep AR and the trade AR -scenarios.

I personally think that AR is worth his salary and cap hit, even if it costs missing out some FAs. The risk comes from having to draft well/find bargains to be cheap elsewhere on the roster. Miss on picks and you end up with holes on the roster. Draft real well, and AR will lift the team.

If we trade AR for a motherload of picks, then we could build a deep overall roster with no obvious holes. There would be so much cap space and high picks that Gutey would be a kid in the candy store. But if Love sucks, it may not matter, and there's a chance of a death spiral that can doom the team to mediocrity for a long while... If on the other hand Love is an unlikely smash hit, that could result in a historically great team.

If we want several good shots at the SB, stick with AR. Wanna go all-in with a risky move, pull for the trade.

Yeah just seems like a really unnecessary and forced risk...all for what? I highly doubt it is because the FO believes they cannot win with Rodgers. I dont think it has to do with that at all. I would assume they know anytime you have a QB that can get you "several good shots at the sb" then you really have all you can ask for. The reason they want him gone is not due to his play..but because they know life will be easier FOR THEM without him. FInally, someone that wont question everything they do. No longer anyone in the building that no one blames for anything, as everyone just blames the roster and FO not winning the SB.

The grass isnt always greener. Any decisions based solely on football would happily take "several good shots at a sb" and then go look for a QB after 12 is done and enjoy all that cap space that comes with not having a QB that guarantees you shots at a sb.

This power struggle isnt about on field football play.

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Because it can be very reasonably argued the Packers have NOT been successful (in terms of SB wins) with the current pay-Rodgers-top-tier-money-at-the-expense-of-the-rest-of-the-roster model and, with the expectation that his play will likely fall off in the very near future, the best chance to win would be to maximize his value via trade and roll with Love who, while not providing MVP caliber play, could provide competent play.

Do you think even if we had more cap space because Rodgers was gone that we could actually bring in enough players of quality to be better than we were with Rodgers? As in, without Rodgers could we bring in the guys to win a sb when we havent been able to win with Rodgers?

For me, I would think there isnt enough money in the world to compensate for what 12 brings on the FA market considering how it seems the Packers have to overpay for FAs to want to come here. Many dont seem to like the cold and want a bigger city.

The only way it works is if Love is not average, not competent, but VERY GOOD. Which he may be, but quite the gamble.

There is no guaranteed route to the SB. There's a risk with both the keep AR and the trade AR -scenarios.

I personally think that AR is worth his salary and cap hit, even if it costs missing out some FAs. The risk comes from having to draft well/find bargains to be cheap elsewhere on the roster. Miss on picks and you end up with holes on the roster. Draft real well, and AR will lift the team.

If we trade AR for a motherload of picks, then we could build a deep overall roster with no obvious holes. There would be so much cap space and high picks that Gutey would be a kid in the candy store. But if Love sucks, it may not matter, and there's a chance of a death spiral that can doom the team to mediocrity for a long while... If on the other hand Love is an unlikely smash hit, that could result in a historically great team.

If we want several good shots at the SB, stick with AR. Wanna go all-in with a risky move, pull for the trade.

loading up on UFA's rarely works, we've seen plenty of teams do it and never even get to play in the SB, and anyone that thinks teams are going to give up a boat load of quality vets, plus draft picks for Rodgers I think are kidding themselves, the media reported that Denver would give us Surtain or Juedy, or both never came form the horses mouth (no pun intended )

sure I think we can get 2 first and maybe a 2nd, plus maybe a backup player or two, but I can't see them giving us top end talent, that defeats the purpose of getting Rodgers, which is win now, as it should have been with us in a couple of Guty's drafts, if ya got a QB like Rodgers then draft players that will help him win, not for after he's gone.

why even do something risky, didn't we do enough of that the last few years, the look on Lafluers face said it all, last years offense even void a couple players ran like a well oiled machine, as soon as the season was over the FO should have guaranteed the remaining years on Rodgers contract, instead of this we want him this year and beyond crap, the risk imo was not doing that.

[TheSkeptic]

The biggest risk is to stay with Rodgers. Only 1 player in the history of the NFL has gone beyond where Rodgers is now. His name is Tom Brady.

Expecting Rodgers to do what Brady did is a very risky bet. 99% odds he cannot do it. Maybe, just maybe he will be better than Love + Surtain this season. But it is going to be nearly impossible for him to repeat that in the 2022/23 season. And totally impossible for him to do in 2023/24.

Joe Montana could not do it. Peyton Manning could not do it. John Unitas could not do it. Drew Brees could not do it. Dan Marino could not do it. Elway and Staubauch and Favre could not do it. All of them hit the wall in their mid to late 30's and so will Aaron Rodgers. The best of them became game managers at the end of their careers, able to win a few SB's but unable to carry a better than average team to a SB win. Those that tried to carry a team as Favre tried with the Vikings failed badly. Even Brady did not carry his team last season. He was the game manager on a very good team.

You can take your 1% chance with Aaron Rodgers in 2022/23 if you want. As for me, I will take the odds with Love + Surtain this season. 30% chance that those 2 are better than Aaron Rodgers alone even this season. 90% that those are better a year from now. And 99.99% odds that Love + Surtain + an extra 1st round pick plus cap room to keep Jaire Alexander and Robert Tonyan and Davonte Adams are better than AR and none of the above, after 2022/23.

[BF004]

I like how we just keep penciling in Patrick Surtain.


A trade, with whoever, that would make most sense for both parties, would be for us to defer maybe a year on picks, can get more and higher ones, and the team trading for Aaron doesn't make themselves worse in his first year or two.


I mean sure I'd love Surtain, him and Stokes and Jaire could develop into something sick for sure, but also guaranteed to be a lot 1st rounds snaps on the bench there as well. And frankly the Broncos would likely really want to keep him if they think they have a shot of competing this year or next.

I'd just take firsts in 2023-2025. That team likely to crash and burn as Aaron gets closer to retiring, take our time and give yourselves a chance to build something special around Love, and even keep a steady flow of a high quality picks in even after he is off his rookie contract.



But all that said, I'll take Aaron back 10 time out of 10 this year, and if he legit wants to play for us, I'd give him a no trade clause, more guaranteed if he wants, perhaps at a bit of a sacrifice of some money. And whatever will be with Love will be, keep a high potential backup, or best case scenario, trade him for an arm and a leg if he impresses big.

[Yoop]

The biggest risk is to stay with Rodgers. Only 1 player in the history of the NFL has gone beyond where Rodgers is now. His name is Tom Brady.

Expecting Rodgers to do what Brady did is a very risky bet. 99% odds he cannot do it. Maybe, just maybe he will be better than Love + Surtain this season. But it is going to be nearly impossible for him to repeat that in the 2022/23 season. And totally impossible for him to do in 2023/24.

Joe Montana could not do it. Peyton Manning could not do it. John Unitas could not do it. Drew Brees could not do it. Dan Marino could not do it. Elway and Staubauch and Favre could not do it. All of them hit the wall in their mid to late 30's and so will Aaron Rodgers. The best of them became game managers at the end of their careers, able to win a few SB's but unable to carry a better than average team to a SB win. Those that tried to carry a team as Favre tried with the Vikings failed badly. Even Brady did not carry his team last season. He was the game manager on a very good team.

You can take your 1% chance with Aaron Rodgers in 2022/23 if you want. As for me, I will take the odds with Love + Surtain this season. 30% chance that those 2 are better than Aaron Rodgers alone even this season. 90% that those are better a year from now. And 99.99% odds that Love + Surtain + an extra 1st round pick plus cap room to keep Jaire Alexander and Robert Tonyan and Davonte Adams are better than AR and none of the above, after 2022/23.

Favre failed on a stupid throw, just as he had with us for years, and had he made the throw would have won, Rodgers rarely ever makes stupid throws, or has his play cost us games, and he looks like he could play 4 or 5 years at or near the level he played at last year, and given a tad more protection last season and less drops by receivers and he'd have out played Brady last year, your tearing down Rodgers to somehow lift Love up, and if you think Denver was going to give us Surtain in that trade that didn't happen your kidding yourself, no one we trade with is going to give us top 10 draft picks, and Surtain was one of the best players in last years class, keep dreaming.

[Yoop]

I like how we just keep penciling in Patrick Surtain.


A trade, with whoever, that would make most sense for both parties, would be for us to defer maybe a year on picks, can get more and higher ones, and the team trading for Aaron doesn't make themselves worse in his first year or two.


I mean sure I'd love Surtain, him and Stokes and Jaire could develop into something sick for sure, but also guaranteed to be a lot 1st rounds snaps on the bench there as well. And frankly the Broncos would likely really want to keep him if they think they have a shot of competing this year or next.

I'd just take firsts in 2023-2025. That team likely to crash and burn as Aaron gets closer to retiring, take our time and give yourselves a chance to build something special around Love, and even keep a steady flow of a high quality picks in even after he is off his rookie contract.



But all that said, I'll take Aaron back 10 time out of 10 this year, and if he legit wants to play for us, I'd give him a no trade clause, more guaranteed if he wants, perhaps at a bit of a sacrifice of some money. And whatever will be with Love will be, keep a high potential backup, or best case scenario, trade him for an arm and a leg if he impresses big.

[Drj820]

Rodgers just came off an MVP year, plays in a QB friendly system, and should have a great running game for years to come behind him...i have no doubts he can play out the remainder of his deal while playing at a VERY high level. It’s not a concern to me.