go pak go wrote: ↑10 Jul 2021 21:07
Yoop wrote: ↑10 Jul 2021 18:57
I wish you'd quit trying to pigeon hole me into laying all blame in one direction for Rodgers not have more rings, I layed out for you why teams lose big games, it's not a original thought, I stole that from football wizards that know far more then me, lis thats probably to simple for you to accept. better coaching at key moments and players not making abnormal mistakes is mostly what separates these games, and Rodgers rarely makes mistakes, so yes we should have more trophy's, your blinded with this Idea that if Rodgers isn't perfect, then he is the reason we lost, and thats just not true.
I pigeon hole you based on words and language you use. Your refusal to blame one person makes you think of a million other reasons as excuses for the one player who has more impact than any other on the field.
You have used phrases such as "Rodgers has allowed X and X to even have jobs" Rodgers carried the 2011 Packers. Rodgers has carried this team for years...who knows how bad the Packers would have been without Rodgers. "the Packers are the laughing stock of the league."
My assessment is fair.
Ultimately, I think there are three main parties to blame.
1. Packers have had instances where they did not live up their end. Particularly decisions from 2013 - 2015....TT made some really poor decisions.
2. Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers were not good leaders when it mattered most. Honestly, MLF wasn't either. When the game was on the line, he was a poor leader and didn't feed AJ the ball. He took the scared way out and trusted #12 when he should have trusted #28. MM made critical errors. I would actually even elevate that to the Packers leaders in general (I'm looking at you Davante, Jones and Z). Our highest paid players always play smaller when we need them to play bigger (outside of Jaire and Clark)
3. Luck. The Packers have about as bad of luck as I can remember any team over a 20 year span.
I brought a couple articles that showed why we lost in 011 and 015, a mod deleted them,( wonder why) it was poor coaching, Mistakes, and lack of talent at several positions, but it was a distant third reason, I don't include LUCK because often ya make your own luck, I think the luck thing is closely tied to mistakes.
why your so intent on narrowing it done to this play or that player makes no sense when multiple plays and players each make mistakes,
and Rodgers did carry the team in 011, I brought the article ( deleted) that showed his below average passing stats, but that was caused by 9 dropped passes, and he was our leading rusher with 60 stinking yrds, was sacked 4 times, and hardly ever had time to set up because of the Giants pass rush, your problem is you don't want to deal with these facts, so you make up your own narrative, it was a pretty good team but played terrible, as the article said, we took the Giants lightly and got our ass kicked, Rodgers didn't run the team poorly, McCarthy poorly coached it, when facing heavy pass rush it's best to get the ball north of the los fast, we had no short game, and thats the coaches fault, so when I said the team was one dimensional it corrolates to how we played that game.
now you can complicate that up any way you want, but thats the reality, and McCarthy did basically the same thing in 2015, and just as your willing now to admit that Matt made some poor decisions last year, you have not been prior, your first instinct was to blame Rodgers and other players, it's both of course.
but great coaching can eliminate mistakes from ever happening, we probably wouldn't have had 9 drops in 011 if we had a better short game and could run, or we had proven we could run the ball so Rodgers didn't have to throw on the last series last year.
it's no secret why Brady won a bunch of SB's, better coaching promotes confidence to always play aggressively and attention to detail eliminates mistakes, under McCarthy we played both passive and aggressive, Aggressive gettinga lead and overly cautious not to lose it, you'd have never seen Burnette take a squat on a belichick coached team, or a Bosteck acting like a JV TE.
yes at times this team had the talent to do far better, coaching is the biggest reason it didn't, you want to blame the players, lis, players, all players make mistakes, some are legit brain farts, most are because they had not been coached better.
better coaching= better luck.
