Rank the Roster 2021: #36

[Waldo]

*Reminder that you can make 2 votes now*

Rank The Roster: 2021 Edition

1. Aaron Rodgers (65%)[--]
2. Davante Adams (65%)[+2]
3. Jaire Alexander (59%)[+4]
4. David Bakhtiari (83%)[+1]
5. Kenny Clark (40%)[+1]
6. Za'Darius Smith (45%)[-4]
7. Aaron Jones (57%)[-4]
8. Elgton Jenkins (65%)[+1]
9. Adrian Amos (48%)[+2]
10. Rashan Gary (48%)[+7]
11. Darnell Savage (79%)[+3]
12. Robert Tonyan (46%)[+26]
13. Billy Turner (41%)[+10]
14. Preston Smith (36%)[-6]
15. Marquez Valdes-Scantling (38%)[+13]
16. AJ Dillon (40%)[+5]
17. Krys Barnes (42%)[+26]
18. Kevin King (40%)[-8]
19. Josh Myers (39%)[R]
20. Eric Stokes (38%)[R]
21. Alan Lazard (40%)[-3]
22. Kingsley Keke (27%*)[+11]
23. Amari Rodgers (21%)[R]
24. Jordan Love (24%)[+12]
25. Dean Lowry (26%)[-6]
26. Jon Runyan (24%)[+14]
27. Chandon Sullivan (28%)[-7]
28. Lucas Patrick (31%)[+11]
29. Marcedes Lewis (30%)[+3]
30. Kamal Martin (36%)[+7]
31. Josiah Deguara (28%)[-1]
32. Tyler Lancaster (24%)[-3]
33. DeVondre Campbell (28%)[FA]
34. Devin Funchess (25%)[-12]
35. Royce Newman (26%)[R]
36. Current (xx%)[--]

Percent of vote the winner got will be in parenthesis, position change vs. 2020 will be in brackets.

Here's how this works:

Each day there is a new thread/poll, starting at #1, on down to whereever we get. The whole point of this exercise is to have something to talk about in the lean news months to carry us to camp. Each poll will be open for voting for 24 hours. New threads will only be created on weekdays. Ties will cause a runoff poll.

Simply voting is not enough!

Post why you voted for who you did and provide a player to add to the next poll (every poll will be a list of 10 guys, a new player is added to the list each day).

Here's the thing. There is no criteria. This is an exercise to foster discussion therefore there are no clear criteria for ranking. Who is better right now? Who will have the best season? Who was better last year? Sort of a combo of them all? Do you take positional value into account? It really doesn't matter.

Previous Years:
Rank the Roster: 2020
Rank the Roster: 2014-2019

[NCF]

I'm going with Dafney, who I think will still have a role no matter how involved Deguara is and Jean-Charles who I expect to overtake Redmond for snaps in sub packages.

[lupedafiasco]

Kylie Hill should be the pick.

We are a very balanced offense. RB #3 is going to get carries especially if Jones or Dillon get dinged up even if just for a game. There were times when both were on the field at the same time. They will need breathers even if they prove durable in the season.

With the 2nd pick I went with Jean-Charles. I think there is a possibility he beats out Sully by seasons end for the nickel spot. I could see him maybe taking over a dime role as well.

[YoHoChecko]

Kylie Hill should be the pick.

We are a very balanced offense. RB #3 is going to get carries especially if Jones or Dillon get dinged up even if just for a game. There were times when both were on the field at the same time. They will need breathers even if they prove durable in the season.

Tyler Ervin played only 13% of snaps.

AJ Dillon played 9%

They combined for only 59 carries.

Not sure the idea that, no matter what "the #3 RB is going to get carries" line holds up.

I'm voting for Shemar Jean-Charles again, thinking he can win a nickel spot before the season is over.

I also want to again push against Sternberger votes because he is behind Tonyan as a TE1/receiver, behind Lewis as a blocker, and behind Deguara as a FB/move TE. He is TE4 even if he shows marked improvement in his development. Even an injury would not guarantee him one of the three more primary TE snaps, as the other two might first fill in some of that void.

TE4. TE4 is like a "do we keep 4 TEs or not?" roster decision. Not a valuable piece of our team in the top 40.

[YoHoChecko]

I also voted again for Ty Summers.

Summers spent the offseason program ahead of Kamal Martin, without any doubt. There are literally zero reports of Martin playing ahead of him.

Summers was clearly being used as a key defensive communicator, trained for green dot duties.

Summers is a core-4 special teamer, having played 76% of the ST snaps (as a comparison, Summers played 8 fewer snaps than Oren Burks but then Will Redmond was next-highest and played only 55%)

Further, far from being any sort of "trusted veteran" who might get such responsbilities by default because no one else can, Summers is a 3rd-year player; he is getting communication roles and snaps over 3rd-year Oren Burks and 2nd-year Kamal Martin, next to 2nd-year Krys Barnes.

There's plenty reason enough for me to believe that Summers will make the roster, play a role on defense, and star on special teams. In the mid-thirties, he feels like a bargain

[Waldo]

I also voted again for Ty Summers.

Summers spent the offseason program ahead of Kamal Martin, without any doubt. There are literally zero reports of Martin playing ahead of him.

Summers was clearly being used as a key defensive communicator, trained for green dot duties.

Summers is a core-4 special teamer, having played 76% of the ST snaps (as a comparison, Summers played 8 fewer snaps than Oren Burks but then Will Redmond was next-highest and played only 55%)

Further, far from being any sort of "trusted veteran" who might get such responsbilities by default because no one else can, Summers is a 3rd-year player; he is getting communication roles and snaps over 3rd-year Oren Burks and 2nd-year Kamal Martin, next to 2nd-year Krys Barnes.

There's plenty reason enough for me to believe that Summers will make the roster, play a role on defense, and star on special teams. In the mid-thirties, he feels like a bargain

Man, sold me on Summers here.

I really have no idea where to go here though. Next DB up maybe, not sure who that is though.

[go pak go]

Ty Summers and TJ Slayton.

I am camp TJ Slatyon. He is my boy. He is going to beat Lancaster and will be the key big man behind Clark to clog the middle.

[lupedafiasco]

Kylie Hill should be the pick.

We are a very balanced offense. RB #3 is going to get carries especially if Jones or Dillon get dinged up even if just for a game. There were times when both were on the field at the same time. They will need breathers even if they prove durable in the season.

Tyler Ervin played only 13% of snaps.

AJ Dillon played 9%

They combined for only 59 carries.

Not sure the idea that, no matter what "the #3 RB is going to get carries" line holds up.

I'm voting for Shemar Jean-Charles again, thinking he can win a nickel spot before the season is over.

I also want to again push against Sternberger votes because he is behind Tonyan as a TE1/receiver, behind Lewis as a blocker, and behind Deguara as a FB/move TE. He is TE4 even if he shows marked improvement in his development. Even an injury would not guarantee him one of the three more primary TE snaps, as the other two might first fill in some of that void.

TE4. TE4 is like a "do we keep 4 TEs or not?" roster decision. Not a valuable piece of our team in the top 40.

Dillon also missed significant time with Covid while Ervin missed significant time with injury. I think those numbers would be higher had it not come down to missed opportunities.

[salmar80]

Kylie Hill should be the pick.

We are a very balanced offense. RB #3 is going to get carries especially if Jones or Dillon get dinged up even if just for a game. There were times when both were on the field at the same time. They will need breathers even if they prove durable in the season.

Tyler Ervin played only 13% of snaps.

AJ Dillon played 9%

They combined for only 59 carries.

Not sure the idea that, no matter what "the #3 RB is going to get carries" line holds up.

I'm voting for Shemar Jean-Charles again, thinking he can win a nickel spot before the season is over.

I also want to again push against Sternberger votes because he is behind Tonyan as a TE1/receiver, behind Lewis as a blocker, and behind Deguara as a FB/move TE. He is TE4 even if he shows marked improvement in his development. Even an injury would not guarantee him one of the three more primary TE snaps, as the other two might first fill in some of that void.

TE4. TE4 is like a "do we keep 4 TEs or not?" roster decision. Not a valuable piece of our team in the top 40.

The counterargument on Sterny is that IF he develops enough, LaFleur will find use for him. For example, I could see 2TE sets with Tonyan and Sterny, especially vs teams with bad coverage LBs. Would look like a heavy run formation, but there would be more passing options outta that compared with having grandpa Lewis as the second TE.

I do agree that the only way for Sternberger to play a lot is an injury to Bobby.

TJ Slaton has more raw talent than Lancaster. He'll get his chances as a rotational DL, especially since we're real thin there (bad pun intended).

[BSA]

I also want to again push against Sternberger votes because he is behind Tonyan as a TE1/receiver, behind Lewis as a blocker, and behind Deguara as a FB/move TE. He is TE4 even if he shows marked improvement in his development. Even an injury would not guarantee him one of the three more primary TE snaps, as the other two might first fill in some of that void.

TE4. TE4 is like a "do we keep 4 TEs or not?" roster decision. Not a valuable piece of our team in the top 40.

I look at the various TE roles as different "positions" as far as the depth chart. I'd pair them this way in terms of skill sets:

Receiving TE: Tonyan, Sternberger
In-line blocking TE: Lewis,Deguara, Dafney, then Kaufusi moves up when he shows he's ready
Move TE: Deguara, Dafney, Sternberger

If Tonyan busts a chin strap, Jace gets the call, provided he is active that day. The Packers can get thru a game by redeploying one of the other TE's- but given a week to prep - Jace is a starter if Tonyan can't go. As far as " Do we keep 4 TE's ?"
The answer is a resounding yes and when Stern comes off suspension, GB will likely have 5 on the 53. Important roles in an MLF offense.
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[Labrev]

Ty Summers and TJ Slayton.

I am camp TJ Slatyon. He is my boy. He is going to beat Lancaster and will be the key big man behind Clark to clog the middle.

I will join your fan club! Slayton is highly intriguing: 1-tech body, but more of a 3-tech skill-set at present. If the coaches can get him better against the run while keeping him disruptive in the pass, and you put that next to Kenny Clark... man, that could do wonders for this defense.

Beating out Lancaster would be unexpected (but very welcome); I am inclined to agree with Andy Herman's projection: an upgrade in the Montravius Adams role/snaps.

#2 Pick... I'll go with Dafney. The way they got him involved so quickly and with a wide range of responsibilities is quite exciting. I think he's a player. I don't think he should be ranked very far behind Deguara.

[YoHoChecko]

I guess my retort for Sterngerger being Tonyan's top backup, which I have mentioned, is that I think Deguara would still get a ton of those snaps if Tonyan goes down. I don't think there's such a clear division between the roles. Deguara will play the H-back, move TE and FB roles for the team, sure--but MLF was very clear when discussing him that he is a TE. When explicitly asked if MLF envisioned a "Juszczyk role," MLF said if I recall correctly "yes, but he'll do a lot more than that."

The ONLY way for Sterny to play a big role is if Tonyan gets injured. But even if Tonyan gets injured, he still has competition for the replacement snaps from another young developing player at his position.

I'm not saying Sternberger stinks and I'm ready to cut bait on him; I'm just saying he has thus far shown primarily that he can drop passes and struggles to make it onto the field in any role. Counting on him to grow into a larger role when he only has more competition than he did a year ago seems to be based on little more than draft status and pre-NFL measurements or assessments--and if that's the case than Deguara is equally as likely to take that leap, if not more so, because we've yet to see him fail the way we've seen Sterny fall on his face.

I just truly don't understand what people THINK is going to happen with him that he'll carve out a role when he so clearly is behind at least one guy at every possible TE role. And again, I think the division between roles is FAR less defined than a lot of you are making it.

[BSA]

I just truly don't understand what people THINK is going to happen with him that he'll carve out a role when he so clearly is behind at least one guy at every possible TE role.

opinions vary, so do the criteria. Nobody had any issues voting Royce Newman onto the list - even though he is clearly behind one guy at every possible OL role and the OL coach pimped his competition in Ben Braden, suggesting Ben was competing for a starting spot at G/T
We'll see what happens, but I think Jace plays more snaps than Newman in 2021 and we can meet back here in Feb and compare notes

Winner gets a pat on the back and more of the same.

[YoHoChecko]

I just truly don't understand what people THINK is going to happen with him that he'll carve out a role when he so clearly is behind at least one guy at every possible TE role.

opinions vary, so do the criteria. Nobody had any issues voting Royce Newman onto the list - even though he is clearly behind one guy at every possible OL role and the OL coach pimped his competition in Ben Braden, suggesting Ben was competing for a starting spot at G/T
We'll see what happens, but I think Jace plays more snaps than Newman in 2021 and we can meet back here in Feb and compare notes

Winner gets a pat on the back and more of the same.

To be fair, I did, indeed, have problems with people voting Newman and I said similar things

[Crazylegs Starks]

Unless Sternberger shows significant improvement, I can't imagine him taking snaps from both Dafney and Deguara. I think he might be a bit of a surprise cut this year, to be honest.

[go pak go]

I just truly don't understand what people THINK is going to happen with him that he'll carve out a role when he so clearly is behind at least one guy at every possible TE role.

opinions vary, so do the criteria. Nobody had any issues voting Royce Newman onto the list - even though he is clearly behind one guy at every possible OL role and the OL coach pimped his competition in Ben Braden, suggesting Ben was competing for a starting spot at G/T
We'll see what happens, but I think Jace plays more snaps than Newman in 2021 and we can meet back here in Feb and compare notes

Winner gets a pat on the back and more of the same.

To be fair, I did, indeed, have problems with people voting Newman and I said similar things

Yeah. Depends on how you look at it.

I don't view it as a "who has best probability of playing the most" but instead who is the best player on the Packers.

Particularly at this point, impact is menial anyways. I have no problem then voting for players who I legit are good players including Newman and Sternberger (though I didn't vote Sterny yet)

[BSA]

Unless Sternberger shows significant improvement, I can't imagine him taking snaps from both Dafney and Deguara. I think he might be a bit of a surprise cut this year, to be honest.

That's a fair estimate of his current trajectory, we'll see if he can change that enough to warrant a roster spot. GM's have to play the projection game and can't get too caught up in current trajectories. Young players typically make their biggest leaps after year 1 and year 2 - we shall see if Jace has it in him. On the $$ side, unlikely you'll find a cheaper/ better option on the street, so it comes down to whether or not he makes the leap in terms of strength/girth/blocking (durability) and making plays in the passing game.

[Yoop]

Dafney and Summers, the coaches like both and thats enough for me.

a couple decent PS games out of Sternberger and who knows, it's possible we could trade him for a H-20 specialist, maybe

[NCF]

I also voted again for Ty Summers.

Summers spent the offseason program ahead of Kamal Martin, without any doubt. There are literally zero reports of Martin playing ahead of him.

Summers was clearly being used as a key defensive communicator, trained for green dot duties.

Summers is a core-4 special teamer, having played 76% of the ST snaps (as a comparison, Summers played 8 fewer snaps than Oren Burks but then Will Redmond was next-highest and played only 55%)

Further, far from being any sort of "trusted veteran" who might get such responsbilities by default because no one else can, Summers is a 3rd-year player; he is getting communication roles and snaps over 3rd-year Oren Burks and 2nd-year Kamal Martin, next to 2nd-year Krys Barnes.

There's plenty reason enough for me to believe that Summers will make the roster, play a role on defense, and star on special teams. In the mid-thirties, he feels like a bargain

Man, sold me on Summers here.

I really have no idea where to go here though. Next DB up maybe, not sure who that is though.

Nothing [mention]YoHoChecko[/mention] said is wrong. I just think, when training camp starts up in a week, they are going to cycle guys in and out more than they have in the offseason program. I just have zero faith that the Packers FO or coaching staff wants Summers to come out of this as the victor. I think we will see Campbell, Barnes, and Martin be given every opportunity to play ahead of Summers and I expect they will make the most of it. I wouldn't rule out McDuffie passing Summers, either. I do think Summers probably sticks for ST. Either him or Burks, but likely as a ST-only kind of player. That is just my view on the situation. We have seen this in years past where a guy looks to be in perfect position heading into TC only to be passed over by preferred players.

[YoHoChecko]

It's sort of intereating; most of the arguments I've made against Jace could be used against Summers; I mean it's all arbitrary down here.

I do just want to clarify that my push for Summers is like a gamble that the positives I've outlined come through and then I'm "the guy who saw it coming," but it's not like I'm some secret Ty Summers fan, who is a true believer that his time has come and he will shine. He's just a fast guy who misses tackles and seems to be in good standing with the new DC who specializes in getting good play from that position no matter who is there.