go pak go wrote: ↑07 Aug 2021 11:15
I know it's an unpopular opinion because Packers fans love him...but BJ Raji looking backwards was a bad draft pick. He was a flash in the pan one year wonder who was just a guy outside of 2010 - he was basically a Tyler Lancaster. Fortunately for us that one year wonder collided at a great time and got us what we wanted. But he is a perfect example to me of "looking great right away" and then being completely irrelevant afterwards.
now your discussing a facet of a player that almost no one can predict and thats heart, Raji was loaded with talent, who knows exactly what happened with BJ, one thing that didn't was talent decline, I expect some of it was due to the 20 front 2 gap scheme which makes it difficult for a DL to show his true value, a single gap 30 front would have show cased Raji's ability better
we saw another player lose his willingness to do the stuff necessary to excel, Lacy, we gave him 20 touches as a rookie, saw that he could really do well, then lowered his touches each year after, he then gave up the weight room and decided to eat his way out of the league, it's important to keep the incentive as high as possible for high profile players, or they lose interest
neither where poor draft picks, we simply refused to max out there ability and they resented it, and gave up, that bone headed stuff was on us not the player.
and if you can't see that Savage has already arrived then I don't know what to tell you accept make a appointment with a eye doctor
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this is you again trying to say we shouldn't judge a player till after there third season, most people (and this includes YOU) can see whether a player is good or not much faster then that,
Gary was a futures pick, just like Love, it's understandable to do that sort of thing with a QB it's not wise to do so for almost any other position, specially so when the team is built to win NOW, and simply needs a little better production at several positions such as DL
also I've already made my prediction on Gary, and I think you have to, seriously if you could only have one between Preston and Gary who would you pick? come on now don't lie, again it was not the player that upset me with the Gary pick ( I new he'd probably be a good DE) it was using that slot on a position we'd already fixed when we still needed help at the DT position, at the TE position and certainly at WR.
and here you go again with we got a great player and thats all that matter BS.
But where it crosses the line into being stupid is if Gary turns into a monster in 2021 and 2022 and leads onto a great career with the Packers but you hold onto the caveat, "yeah but it was a poor use of resource at slot 12 because he didn't play enough in 2019 and 2020". And that is from what I understand your greatest issue right now. He could turn great this year and you would still be upset because he didn't play soon enough. And that is what is madness.
It would have been a better use of immediate impact resources in 2005 to draft Heath Miller or Roddy White. They certainly would have been more valuable to us in January 2008 than the guy who was riding the pine on the bench. But I don't think anyone would suggest 16 years later that we made a bad draft pick that season. And it wouldn't matter if we picked him at #5, #24, #12, #1, #10, etc. The fact is it was a great pick. Period.
first we took Rodgers because Bert threatened to retire for 3 years straight, he became a jerk every time Ted failed to bring in his personal choice of UFA's, Rodgers has never shown that, not ever, it was stupid to draft his replacement so long before he would actually retire., and we might get one year of service from him before we have to pay him huge bucks, thats if he even has a job here when that happens.
Gary is a whole different situation, he'll excel this year and next and then want 20 mil. plus to play his last season and any season after that, we wasted 2 cheap years of his rookie deal so Guty could save face for over paying P. Smith, thats so dumb.
you keep saying you want game tilters, all pro players, granted thats great, thing is they cost a lot, imho your better off with a bunch of almost PB players, very good starters, cause just maybe you'll be able to afford them on second contracts, and they also make game changing plays.