Packers Trading for Punter

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Sounds like a talented and experienced, young punter. Was a restricted free agent after completing three successful seasons in Buffalo, but they chose not to apply a RFA tender in a cost-saving measure.
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NCF wrote:
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A lefty, to boot.
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Left footed punter who actually hops when he kicks.

I am 100% in.

Always wish we'd make moves like this quicker. Feel like so many times we swap out Crosby's holder or long snapper like days before the season.

I'd like to see Love hold kicks. Perma built in fake.
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JK had the perfect name because the dude was a joke. Massive leg but no consistency what so ever.

This 2018 draft class is really bad. They got Alexander out of it but for it to become even a decent class MVS really needs to come along this year. Or Burks pulls his head out of his ass. I dont mind drafting the punter. You have to pay for a quality one we just picked a bad one. Had they taken Dickson from Seattle with the 1st pick in the 5th we would have gotten a pro bowl punter. Possibly the best in the league. Instead we took Madison's mentally soft ass. To be fair I would have bitched but it would have worked out.

The real travesty IMO was drafting a long snapper. I think that is straight up moronic. It is a new level of idiocy that I didnt know existed.
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lupedafiasco wrote:
31 Aug 2021 16:03
This 2018 draft class is really bad. They got Alexander out of it but for it to become even a decent class MVS really needs to come along this year.
It's become an intertwined mess, but IMO, if you are looking at that 2018 Draft, you have to look at the 2019 1st that eventually became Darnell Savage. Otherwise, yes, it seems pretty set in stone that Jaire and MVS are all we have to show for that class.
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Anybody else notice that when Cosby missed that FG vs the Bills, he glared at JK?

The thing that I did not like about JK is that he was totally useless with regard to making a tackle. This new guy at least looks like a football player

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Pckfn23 wrote:
31 Aug 2021 15:18
I want a consistently ok to good punter, but the draft capital we have spent to find one instead of picking one up off the street it silly.
Perhaps. But I disagree with the "silly" part

When you have a Championship caliber roster like GB, most of the 5th - 7th picks aren't going to make the team and aren't going to have an impact in games. GB special teams have been abysmal - so taking steps to improve them is a valid strategy.

JK was all about the hang time - and when you have a prolific offense - you want a punter who can pin em deep, give the gunners time to arrive. The thinking behind the move was sound- the results weren't. Is that on Zook and Meninga ? I don't know. But taking a chance at making STs better is a good thing imo.

I do appreciate that NFL punters take time and that you can find decent vet on the street. But when you get deep into the draft, I have no issues with buying a lottery ticket to improve the STs. And the reason is because no FA punter is going to choose to practice his craft on the Frozen Tundra. So if you want one, you may have to expend a pick. Is that ideal ? No it isn't. But the reality is often different than the ideal scenario where vet punters are clamoring to play for your team.
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Bonus that he's got a few years under his belt punting in Buffalo. Should be well used to booting a frozen rock come December-January.

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Also just saw the Rams 2023 7th-rounder that they traded to us originally belonged to Detroit. Not out of the realm of possibility that we got this guy for moving down a handful of picks in two years.
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TheSkeptic wrote:
31 Aug 2021 16:28
Anybody else notice that when Cosby missed that FG vs the Bills, he glared at JK?

The thing that I did not like about JK is that he was totally useless with regard to making a tackle. This new guy at least looks like a football player
I never want my punter or kicker to make a tackle.
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Do you pronounce his name as a Spanish name??

Bo-hoar-quez ?
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Pckfn23 wrote:
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5th round is 2 rounds too early for drafting a punter.

By far, Gutenkunst's most egregious draft failing.
I'm not going to crucify Gute for drafting a punter on the 3rd day of a draft. We took a chance and it didn't work out. If Gute is drafting punters on the 2nd day then we can complain. Maybe the kid we traded for today will do the job.

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lupedafiasco wrote:
31 Aug 2021 16:03
You have to pay for a quality one we just picked a bad one. Had they taken Dickson from Seattle with the 1st pick in the 5th we would have gotten a pro bowl punter. Possibly the best in the league.
You absolutely don't need to pay for a quality one. Jack Fox was a Pro Bowl punter for the Lions last year and was a street free agent before 2020. Tress Way was a Pro Bowler in 2019 that was undrafted. Johnny Hekker himself went undrafted.

Of the top 20 punters in 2020, 12 of them were undrafted. 10 of the top 20 in 2019 were undrafted.

It's just not a position that more than a 7th round pick needs to be spent on.
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I don’t mind spending a 5, heck even a 4 on a punter or kicker...but if you do that he better be top 5 in the league for the next decade.

If he’s not, it’s a horrible pick. If he is, it becomes a good pick.
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Scott had rare leg but no amount of practice improved his consistency. :idn: Seemed the same last year as a rookie. Bojorquez' arrow, on the other hand, has been pointing up.

Scott pick counts as a draft blunder, but not of a magnitude that would shake me to the core.
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1 punter in the last 30 years has 5 or more Pro Bowl selections, that is Shane Leckler with 7. Here is the list with 3 or more over the last 30 seasons:
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4 out of the 7 are undrafted.
Pro Bowl selection doesn't exactly mean top 5, but darn close. It just doesn't happen that a punter is top 5 in the league for a decade.

https://stathead.com/tiny/eoIo1
51 drafted punters over the last 30 years.
https://stathead.com/tiny/f59NB
Of those 51, 15 were Pro-Bowl selections
https://stathead.com/tiny/UF3c9
34 total punters have gone to the Pro Bowl during that time.

There is just no reason at all to spend more than a 7th round pick on a punter, if that.
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lupedafiasco wrote:
31 Aug 2021 16:53
TheSkeptic wrote:
31 Aug 2021 16:28
Anybody else notice that when Cosby missed that FG vs the Bills, he glared at JK?

The thing that I did not like about JK is that he was totally useless with regard to making a tackle. This new guy at least looks like a football player
I never want my punter or kicker to make a tackle.
You would rather the opposing team scores a TD? Wow. :dunno: :thwap:

And by the way, Cosby has made a few of them in his career.

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BF004 wrote:
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Bo-hoar-quez ?
Yes, exactly, but no "qu" sound. Bo-hoar-kez
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