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Im of the same mindset. A ton of star power here. Also a lot of trash level talent on the roster. I also dont think elite teams just continuously go season in and season out with the same positional weaknesses. At some point you need to fix the issues on the team.
I mean they have to right? They have to go into season with weaknesses or else we would see more consistent winners. We haven't had a back to back SB winner since New England did it 2004 and 2005. The Patriots and Seahawks are also the only Conference winner back to back this decade 2017 - 2019 and 2013 - 2014. And no team comes close to GB (other than NE) for Final 4 appearances since 2007.
So basically we have Tom Brady and then the Seahawks who got lucky AF.
When you take a step back, you will see the league is basically Tom Brady wins no matter what and the Packers consistently are the next best team in the last 20 years who just can't win in the final game.
Also, none of this is correlated to what we saw on Sunday.
well the talent is basically the same on the DL, Barry has better safety's, better CB's, and better pass rushers then the last year of Capers, and should have more experience then Pettines first season, you have to admit this defense looked poorly coached Sunday.
your right, defense is about a coaches philosophy, but it's beyond obvious that talent matters, and as to our DL, we have Clark, and a bunch of under performers, same at WR, we have Adams and all the rest, why anyone would down play mediocre talent, or think any coach should be able to over come jag play by saying it's all about philosophy negates the reason teams pay a guy like JT Watts, or Aaron Donald the big dollars, talent matters no matter the scheme a DC uses.
I agree with that. But the Packers pay the likes of big time guys too. In fact we have more "high paid guys and upper echelon talen" this year and last year compared to really any other team in the league. It's why our cap will literally be destroyed in 2022 and we will have to make cuts like the Saints did coming into this season.
For as much as we want to poop on the Packers weaknesses (DL and WR), we need to look at the opponent we played last Sunday and come to the conclusion that their DL and WR room was significantly worse from a talent standpoint compared to us. And they did just fine.
I agree, it's my opinion that that we saw a lot of rust, the coaches new we lacked PS games that our starters needed, so they played weak coverage and very basic offensive schemes, I have to feel this way because nothing else explains how poorly we played.
I'am see player grades, and stats that don't align to what I saw, Gary gets a good grade, however he and Z gave up the edge to big runs
same with these OL grades, we miss the interior ability of Jenkins to clean out the front side ILB, Patrick, as Dougherty said is just not athletic enough to get that done, so when people say Dillon should have run up the gut more, I tend to agree, but with those reservations, sometimes we think we know more then what the coaches see on the field.
I thought overall the defense just looked lost. I mean I hated seeing how many times we saw the secondary have that "you got this guy?" "You got that guy?" before the ball was even snapped.
They looked completely lost out there. It gets really old hearing every DC say, "my system is simple and easy to learn" and then see ever year complete confusion in our secondary both before and during the play.
Like that 4th down TD pass was completely a coverage breakdown by Adrian Amos going to take the double team with Jaire already on his guy leaving the TE open. So frustrating becasue we had that play won before the busted coverage.
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Then Sullivan was passing the TE to Savage on a back of the EZ crosser and Savage steps up and abandons his zone...
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Then Sullivan was passing the TE to Savage on a back of the EZ crosser and Savage steps up and abandons his zone...
Honestly I can only really recall two plays where our actual secondary "talent" got beat through the air. And both of them were from that Deotne Harris destroying Kevin King.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Wide Receivers
Davante Adams 40, Allen Lazard 39, Marquez Valdes-Scantling 36, Malik Taylor 15, Amari Rodgers 15, Randall Cobb 15
The Packers played a lot of 11 personnel with the starters in the game, as Adams, Lazard, and MVS were on the field together almost exclusively early on. There’s a clear separation between the top three and bottom three on the depth chart, and Cobb’s first catch in his second tenure as a Packer came from Love, not Rodgers. Amari did make his first NFL catch, a 19-yarder from Love.
Adams led the team with five receptions on seven targets for 56 yards, while Cobb’s catch went for 32. No other player on the team hit the 20-yard mark.
Like that 4th down TD pass was completely a coverage breakdown by Adrian Amos going to take the double team with Jaire already on his guy leaving the TE open. So frustrating becasue we had that play won before the busted coverage.
The analysis article Yoop posted claims that the TE was Campbell's responsibility, but he bit hard on the run fake and Amos was too late.
Also, I'll put this bit in spoilers so Lupe doesn't see it:
Spoiler
They also claim that the long TD to Harris was not completely King's fault; Black was supposed to make a beeline for that area apparently.
“We didn’t lose the game; we just ran out of time.”
- Vince Lombardi
Like that 4th down TD pass was completely a coverage breakdown by Adrian Amos going to take the double team with Jaire already on his guy leaving the TE open. So frustrating becasue we had that play won before the busted coverage.
The analysis article Yoop posted claims that the TE was Campbell's responsibility, but he bit hard on the run fake and Amos was too late.
Also, I'll put this bit in spoilers so Lupe doesn't see it:
Spoiler
They also claim that the long TD to Harris was not completely King's fault; Black was supposed to make a beeline for that area apparently.
Yeah, I saw that, too. Not even worth bringing up because everyone saw what they wanted to see... or not what they wanted, but you know, only room to blame one.
So as the Packers DC before he even coached a game it was the assumption that he sucked as the Packers DC. Odd.
did you want Barry? hell no, not sure if it was Leonard, but I distinctly remember you didn't want Barry, so if DR J says he thought Barry was a poor choice then he has company, Yoho didn't think Barry was a good choice either, and plenty of others thought the same way.
I'am going to wait on the next game, cause we looked completely out of sink, blown assignment all game long.
as to Campbell he may have had 5 tackles ( wow) but he blew some coverages in the process
Barry has to do better, or everyone will be screaming Pettine after next week.
The grossest tweet shared is the one where dillon got 6 yards, then we got another 6 yards, then we went like sack, pass, incomplete, punt.
BARF!!
ya we should have stuck with the run more, it would have forced NO out of 2 cover shells and opened up some passing lanes, to much rust, small play book, Lafluer admits he didn't call a good game.
If he stinks it out again he better keep his pets indoors
The grossest tweet shared is the one where dillon got 6 yards, then we got another 6 yards, then we went like sack, pass, incomplete, punt.
BARF!!
That was 100% on Rodgers too. He has to do better when his first option is taken away on those bootlegs. You cannot lose that kind of yardage to get that far behind the sticks when you're outside the pocket. Throw it away if you must. But you cannot put us in 2nd and 21 unnecessarily.
I want to blame MLF for lack of run calls, but to give him credit, we didn't really have a shot. Rodgers screwed up the 3rd and 7 on the first drive. Rodgers screwed up the 2nd drive with the sack to put us at 2nd and 21 and I believe our 3rd drive ended in the field goal before half.
Then Drive #4 ends in a Rodgers INT to essentially end the game.
The more I think about it, the more I am concluding that Rodgers was probably the biggest reason why we lost from an individual player standpoint. And the defense's inability to contain Winston on key downs was probably the second.
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So as the Packers DC before he even coached a game it was the assumption that he sucked as the Packers DC. Odd.
did you want Barry? hell no, not sure if it was Leonard, but I distinctly remember you didn't want Barry, so if DR J says he thought Barry was a poor choice then he has company, Yoho didn't think Barry was a good choice either, and plenty of others thought the same way.
I'am going to wait on the next game, cause we looked completely out of sink, blown assignment all game long.
as to Campbell he may have had 5 tackles ( wow) but he blew some coverages in the process
Barry has to do better, or everyone will be screaming Pettine after next week.
Nothing you say here even addresses my quoted statement.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
The grossest tweet shared is the one where dillon got 6 yards, then we got another 6 yards, then we went like sack, pass, incomplete, punt.
BARF!!
That was 100% on Rodgers too. He has to do better when his first option is taken away on those bootlegs. You cannot lose that kind of yardage to get that far behind the sticks when you're outside the pocket. Throw it away if you must. But you cannot put us in 2nd and 21 unnecessarily.
Yep, not on 1st down. Not on 2nd down. 3rd down, sure, try to extend the play if you must. You punt on sack and you punt on a throwaway. I don't need Rodgers to play field position games, but sacks on 1st and 2nd downs kill drives almost exclusively.
So as the Packers DC before he even coached a game it was the assumption that he sucked as the Packers DC. Odd.
did you want Barry? hell no, not sure if it was Leonard, but I distinctly remember you didn't want Barry, so if DR J says he thought Barry was a poor choice then he has company, Yoho didn't think Barry was a good choice either, and plenty of others thought the same way.
I'am going to wait on the next game, cause we looked completely out of sink, blown assignment all game long.
as to Campbell he may have had 5 tackles ( wow) but he blew some coverages in the process
Barry has to do better, or everyone will be screaming Pettine after next week.
Nothing you say here even addresses my quoted statement.
I actually think it proves your comment even more.
I mean it is literally confirmation bias with a sample size of 1.
So as the Packers DC before he even coached a game it was the assumption that he sucked as the Packers DC. Odd.
did you want Barry? hell no, not sure if it was Leonard, but I distinctly remember you didn't want Barry, so if DR J says he thought Barry was a poor choice then he has company, Yoho didn't think Barry was a good choice either, and plenty of others thought the same way.
I'am going to wait on the next game, cause we looked completely out of sink, blown assignment all game long.
as to Campbell he may have had 5 tackles ( wow) but he blew some coverages in the process
Barry has to do better, or everyone will be screaming Pettine after next week.
Nothing you say here even addresses my quoted statement.
ya, it actually does, you seem to think J should give Barry the chance to prove he's a lousy DC, when he told you his track record proceeded him and he expected Barry wouldn't be good, and according to what I saw J was right, Barry better get his act right or he wont last the season.
did you want Barry? hell no, not sure if it was Leonard, but I distinctly remember you didn't want Barry, so if DR J says he thought Barry was a poor choice then he has company, Yoho didn't think Barry was a good choice either, and plenty of others thought the same way.
I'am going to wait on the next game, cause we looked completely out of sink, blown assignment all game long.
as to Campbell he may have had 5 tackles ( wow) but he blew some coverages in the process
Barry has to do better, or everyone will be screaming Pettine after next week.
Nothing you say here even addresses my quoted statement.
ya, it actually does, you seem to think J should give Barry the chance to prove he's a lousy DC, when he told you his track record proceeded him and he expected Barry wouldn't be good, and according to what I saw J was right, Barry better get his act right or he wont last the season.
Wrong again! Third times a charm?
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
did you want Barry? hell no, not sure if it was Leonard, but I distinctly remember you didn't want Barry, so if DR J says he thought Barry was a poor choice then he has company, Yoho didn't think Barry was a good choice either, and plenty of others thought the same way.
I'am going to wait on the next game, cause we looked completely out of sink, blown assignment all game long.
as to Campbell he may have had 5 tackles ( wow) but he blew some coverages in the process
Barry has to do better, or everyone will be screaming Pettine after next week.
Nothing you say here even addresses my quoted statement.
ya, it actually does, you seem to think J should give Barry the chance to prove he's a lousy DC, when he told you his track record proceeded him and he expected Barry wouldn't be good, and according to what I saw J was right, Barry better get his act right or he wont last the season.
Not sure how he doesnt understand that, but he doest...Alas, i have moved on.
did you want Barry? hell no, not sure if it was Leonard, but I distinctly remember you didn't want Barry, so if DR J says he thought Barry was a poor choice then he has company, Yoho didn't think Barry was a good choice either, and plenty of others thought the same way.
I'am going to wait on the next game, cause we looked completely out of sink, blown assignment all game long.
as to Campbell he may have had 5 tackles ( wow) but he blew some coverages in the process
Barry has to do better, or everyone will be screaming Pettine after next week.
Nothing you say here even addresses my quoted statement.
ya, it actually does, you seem to think J should give Barry the chance to prove he's a lousy DC, when he told you his track record proceeded him and he expected Barry wouldn't be good, and according to what I saw J was right, Barry better get his act right or he wont last the season.
I agree that it sucks we essentially get the scrap heap pile and guy we don't initially want and end up sucking in our first outing.
I have been thinking a lot about how a Jim Leonard defense would look.
Third times a charm?