Green Bay Packers @ Arizona Cardinals - Thursday 7:20 PM CST

[go pak go]

Aaron Rodgers wasn't even the MVP of the Packers offense last night.

I would put AJ Dillon #1 and Aaron Jones probably next.

Did Rodgers have heart? Absolutely. But let's cool it on the "Rodgers carrying the team on his back talk" because I saw it very differently. He couldn't even manage the lineup, huddle, or clock. What did we burn 6 TO's and get 2 Delay of Games? (maybe it was just one).

This was a complete team effort that won the game minus the passing attack. Cobb was amazing in the redzone. I hate it that Big Dog didn't get that 2nd foot in.

[go pak go]

And yes it really, really sucks about Tonyan. It was obvious once he went down on the field that it was likely season ending. Looks like he hurt it at the 30 yardline or so and then you saw him hobble for the extra 5 yards and that's why he went down. He didn't get tackled. He went down.

My guess is a major tendon like Achilles or ACL.

I hope to god I am wrong. Have to imagine Kylin Hill is done for the season too which means we should be in the market for a returner and a Tight End. I have more faith in Deguara and Dafney than I do Amari Rodgers. That guy has been disappointing ever since the bright lights of Lambeau Field Family Night.

[BF004]

When you are sitting up here, you have name recognition, you just played significantly better than the guy sitting at #2, and you have a 17-3 TD to INT ratio (pace for like 36-6). You are gunna be near the top of every list.

[go pak go]

So we are clearly rooting for New Orleans I would think right?

I am rooting for MN over DAL. I know it may give MN a boost (who I still think is actually a pretty good team) but we don't play DAL whereas we do play MN and can end their season with a win at their place.

That could shape up to be a huge game BTW.

[go pak go]

Remember when people thought the Packers were trolling because of their news announcement of signing Rasul Douglas instead of trading for Stephon Gilmore?

[APB]

Brady is #1 for MVP, but Derek Henry is #2, not a QB.

I don't think Rodgers is in the top 5. And I don't think anyone watching this game came out of it saying "Wow, Aaron Rodgers really carried this injured team on his back to a win tonight." He was just a regular degular decent, solid QB tonight and the team got it done together.

So yeah, I think we killed Murray's MVP case tonight (for a week of takes, at least). But elevating Rodgers to that spot is ignoring a ton of other players on winning team with better stats this year.

While I agree with the sentiment of Rodgers not being in the top tier of MVP candidates thus far, I think you're significantly underscoring just how valuable he was in this game.

• The Cardinals tallied only one sack and that was for -1 yard on a designed rollout that was covered and Rodgers took off but failed to reach the LOS.

• That stat geeks say Rodgers time from snap to release was 2.25 seconds, one of the fastest of his career.

• Rodgers was extremely smart with the ball and quick with his decisions.

• Rodgers continually checked out of plays that were well defended into plays that moved the chains.

• Rodgers scoring passes were absolute money throws that regular, decent, solid QBs just don't make.

I could go on...

I mean, Kirk Cousins doesn't win this game. Nor Ryan Tannehill or Derek Carr. Those are the QBs you describe above.

Rodgers didnt statistically stand out but I wouldn't think to characterize his play against that tough Arizona defense on the road on a short week with an injury depleted offense as "a regular degular decent, solid QB tonight." He was much more than that and it contributed mightily to their victory.

[go pak go]

I think all things considering, Rodgers played a great game and was a great leader.

I just hate the talk of "he's either MVP or people are disrespecting his greatness". There can be some inbetween and that is where I am at.

He played well considering the tools he had. He also left some plays out there.

The Packers put up 24 points. 10 points were largely from the defense and Bojo. So really the Packers offense got 14 points on their own. The Cobb throw near the sideline was amazing. The Cobb throw in the middle was much more due to AZ having miscommunication which allowed the inside to be open on the Cobb throw.

I just think credit needs to go where credit is mostly due.

The RBs kept the chains moving and ran with such heart all night. Every time they got hit with contact they always fell right to get that extra 1 - 3 yards. Our defense also kept the cap on the Cardinals for 3 quarters allowing us to play our game.

I just view this much more on the defense and running attack being the stars of the show. I still can't believe we held them to 21 points and ending being mad that they allowed that much.

[go pak go]

Rewatching the game. Our defense absolutely dominated the first half.

I cannot believe the Cardinals biggest play of the day actually happened. The Packers won that play literally on every level for the exception that the throw was so bad that it completely confused Stokes to allow the reception.

[Yoop]

we should have won this by 10 points, there was nothing conclusive that Jones didn't get that TD.

Jones was huge in this game with 110 total yrds, same with Dillon for his 78 bash it in your face tough yardage.

ST's coverage was pretty good but why have Hill run back kicks that go in the EZ, that makes no sense when zona's coverage was already at the freaking 20 barring down on him, we just lost Hill because of Draytons stupidity, time to fork out some real dough on a ST's coach.


Great win, total team effort, again Lafluer rises to the occasion

[Drj820]

Brady is #1 for MVP, but Derek Henry is #2, not a QB.

I don't think Rodgers is in the top 5. And I don't think anyone watching this game came out of it saying "Wow, Aaron Rodgers really carried this injured team on his back to a win tonight." He was just a regular degular decent, solid QB tonight and the team got it done together.

So yeah, I think we killed Murray's MVP case tonight (for a week of takes, at least). But elevating Rodgers to that spot is ignoring a ton of other players on winning team with better stats this year.

While I agree with the sentiment of Rodgers not being in the top tier of MVP candidates thus far, I think you're significantly underscoring just how valuable he was in this game.

• The Cardinals tallied only one sack and that was for -1 yard on a designed rollout that was covered and Rodgers took off but failed to reach the LOS.

• That stat geeks say Rodgers time from snap to release was 2.25 seconds, one of the fastest of his career.

• Rodgers was extremely smart with the ball and quick with his decisions.

• Rodgers continually checked out of plays that were well defended into plays that moved the chains.

• Rodgers scoring passes were absolute money throws that regular, decent, solid QBs just don't make.

I could go on...

I mean, Kirk Cousins doesn't win this game. Nor Ryan Tannehill or Derek Carr. Those are the QBs you describe above.

Rodgers didnt statistically stand out but I wouldn't think to characterize his play against that tough Arizona defense on the road on a short week with an injury depleted offense as "a regular degular decent, solid QB tonight." He was much more than that and it contributed mightily to their victory.

there are just people who will not give Rodgers his due unless he throws for 350 yards and 4 tds. Rodgers was locked in and controlled the game in millions of ways that were beyond the stat sheet. Just getting the bums lined up correctly was a tall task.
I think he was GREAT. Also, I think this game will catapult him in the MVP discussion because it was on the national stage and everyone knew what all we were missing.

That said, i have two complaints on Rodgers from the game...just 2!

1) He always would do this back when bums playing WR was a regular occurrence..he wants to throw to where they "should" be, and then get mad. He should know he is not dealing with Davante and use his eyes to see where his bums are, and then throw to that spot. That is just a minor complaint.

2) Rodgers works hard every play to get us in the right "look". Majority of the time, this is a massive net positive. He gets us into good looks, out strategizes the defense, and controls the game in that way. This is the stuff I keep talking about when i say "you would hate to see the offense without him"
What I mean is that time after time a play for an average QB with no command of the offense may not work, but we never have to even see that play.

However, the perfect can be the enemy of the good sometimes. Wasting the timeouts because Rodgers isnt looking at the playclock as he gets us to the "perfect" is annoying at best, and will cost us a game at worst. Next, on the play on the goalline Deguara didnt know what the hell was going on. Even as he came across the formation he was doing it slowly. He needs to be chewed out for that!!!

But, Rodgers should have just looked at the situation and playclock and let him be. Either make an adjustment with Jones and go his way, or just disregard him. We knew we were going for it on 4th, taking the 5 yard penalty there was worse that a play for no gain or a play where we get the snap and throw it in the dirt. That cant happen, and thats on Rodgers and his desire to get things "perfect".

Other than those two things, He was an MVP last night. I dont care about the stat line.

[YoHoChecko]

Look, I don’t want to start a spate of negativity after this win, but it is wild to me that anyone watched that game and came away thinking Rodgers played great. Like I genuinely don’t know what the bar looks like, if that was a great performance.

He was a game manager. He marginally executed a game plan that is usually reserved for lesser QBs. Are least half a dozen (or even a dozen) QBs could execute a MLF game plan that doesn’t include a single pass longer than 20 yards. His first TD to Cobb was really the only great throw I can remember.

But more importantly, his time management mistakes (and yes they are his and it’s obvious at this point) were inexcusable. A lesser QB making that audible with no timeouts at the half inch line and getting called for a delay of game gets dragged all week in the media, at least. I believe it was a mental mistake such as that which cost Eli Manning his consecutive games streak because he got benched. Like the two timeouts on that drive were bad. The delay of game was truly, deeply, unacceptable by any vet QB, let alone a great one.

Like you can’t just brush over those things or blame the coaches when it happens. You gotta view your QB a little more objectively than that. This has been an ongoing problem that Rodgers has no interest in correcting and it very easily could have cost the team a massive game last night. Like that was an epically boneheaded play.

[Yoop]

He played well considering the tools he had. He also left some plays out there.

He didn't leave much out there, and your making excuses for the cards when you insinuate that Cobb didn't deserve both catches, or that Rodgers didn't play a part in those 14 points, Rodgers was huge in this game for many things, his run to get the first, his hanging in the pocket till the last instant waiting for receivers to clear, he sure as hell out played Murry last night.

[Drj820]

Look, I don’t want to start a spate of negativity after this win, but it is wild to me that anyone watched that game and came away thinking Rodgers played great. Like I genuinely don’t know what the bar looks like, if that was a great performance.

He was a game manager. He marginally executed a game plan that is usually reserved for lesser QBs. Are least half a dozen (or even a dozen) QBs could execute a MLF game plan that doesn’t include a single pass longer than 30 yards. His first TD to Cobb was really the only great throw I can remember.

But more importantly, his time management mistakes (and yes they are his and it’s obvious at this point) were inexcusable. A lesser QB making that audible with no timeouts at the half inch line and getting called for a delay of game gets dragged all week in the media, at least. I believe it was a mental mistake such as that which cost Eli Manning his consecutive games streak because he got benched. Like the two timeouts on that drive were bad. The delay of game was truly, deeply, unacceptable by any vet QB, let alone a great one.

Like you can’t just brush over those things or blame the coaches when it happens. You gotta view your QB a little more objectively than that. This has been an ongoing problem that Rodgers has no interest in correcting and it very easily could have cost the team a massive game last night. Like that was an epically boneheaded play.

I think the truth is in the middle of your post and my post. To say he was a game manager that marginally executed the strategy is near blasphemy, but the shortcomings you point out are accurate.

Where you seem to hold it against Rodgers that he didnt throw a pass over 30 yards (i thought the pass to tonyan was over 30), i credit Rodgers for not attempting anything stupid or losing patience. Lesser QBs would take a deep shot to a bum WR, get the ball picked off, and throw the game away for us!

[Pckfn23]

It was a wonderful game by the collective team. Rodgers was pretty good too. 2-3 drops killed some drives, but he also had some accuracy issues last night. There is no reason to say he was average at best or that he was great. He just had a pretty good game for the circumstance.

[Yoop]

But more importantly, his time management mistakes (and yes they are his and it’s obvious at this point) were inexcusable. A lesser QB making that audible with no timeouts at the half inch line and getting called for a delay of game gets dragged all week in the media, at least. I believe it was a mental mistake such as that which cost Eli Manning his consecutive games streak because he got benched. Like the two timeouts on that drive were bad. The delay of game was truly, deeply, unacceptable by any vet QB, let alone a great one.

Like you can’t just brush over those things or blame the coaches when it happens. You gotta view your QB a little more objectively than that. This has been an ongoing problem that Rodgers has no interest in correcting and it very easily could have cost the team a massive game last night. Like that was an epically boneheaded play.

you don't know the circumstances concerning any of this, MLF could have been slow calling in the play,( which looked obvious to me) inexperienced players could have missed there assignments, (which was obvious they did) each and every game anything Rodgers doesn't do right according to YOU and several others here Rodgers gets castrated for not being perfect.

I got a feeling Rodgers will be a Packer next year, I bet that makes your blood boil.

[Pckfn23]

I got a feeling Rodgers will be a Packer next year, I bet that makes your blood boil.

Why are you literally trying to pick fights this morning? The Packers $%@# beat the last undefeated team in their place down 4 All Pros and several starters!

[go pak go]

He played well considering the tools he had. He also left some plays out there.

He didn't leave much out there, and your making excuses for the cards when you insinuate that Cobb didn't deserve both catches, or that Rodgers didn't play a part in those 14 points, Rodgers was huge in this game for many things, his run to get the first, his hanging in the pocket till the last instant waiting for receivers to clear, he sure as hell out played Murry last night.

I don't know how that was an excuse for the Cardinals. They are the ones who f*cked up.

I also genuinely don't remember the run by Rodgers that got a first down. Can someone remind me when this happened?

[BF004]

Rewatching the game. Our defense absolutely dominated the first half.

I cannot believe the Cardinals biggest play of the day actually happened. The Packers won that play literally on every level for the exception that the throw was so bad that it completely confused Stokes to allow the reception.

We have given up 3 of those big plays now, to Chase, McLaurin and now Hopkins.

All 3 were actually defended really well.

Chase's was the most inexcusible, !@#$ poor rush and he was actually open, kind of a bad throw.

McLaurin's was pretty lucky, IMO.

Still have no idea how Kyler even threw that ball fading backward with Preson right in his face and Hopkins did a crazy start/stop with the ball in the air to trick Stokes, who actually had really good coverage.

Loving this new D with no more blown coverages deep. The fact that all 3 of those were basically contested well and we've already gotten our fair sare of pics, I am very happy with the changes on D.

D now 8th in yards allowed, 9th in points allowed. And just fricken wait till Jaire and Z are back.

[Drj820]

So, i havent watched the pressers yet..Did anyone ask about the instructions Hill had been given on the kickoff or will that question that MUST be answered, come later in the week?

[YoHoChecko]

Y’all realize he was like 10 for 22 at one point?

I live in Maryland. A lot of my friends say they love Baltimore. I tell them they love cities, and Baltimore just happens to be the city in Maryland. But compared to other cities….

Y’all say you love Rodgers. And I’m telling you you love QBs and he is yours. Pointing out that Dak Prescott and Josh Allen and Tom Brady are having better season all around isn’t “not giving Rodgers his due.”

Calling a dink and dunk game plan and still having a mediocre completion percentage, with only one or two special throws, and making crucial mental errors is just run of the mill NFL quality QBing. I’m not saying Rodgers is a run of the mill game manager overall, at all. He’s great. But last night he did what teams around the league do every dang week. Coming out and saying Tannehill wouldn’t have won that game is an egregious misunderstanding, not of Rodgers, but of Tannehill, who probably could have. It’s exactly the kind of game Matt Ryan would win.

Again, that’s ok. It’s awesome that we were down a million players and had a below-expectations performance from our All Pro HoF QB and still win the game. But I just didn’t see what y’all are glowing about. The game plan, the run game, the defense, and the special teams were huge in this game. Huge. We didn’t need Rodgers to be.