Green Bay Packers @ Arizona Cardinals - Thursday 7:20 PM CST

[YoHoChecko]

Josh Cribbs is an absolute idiot and is taking up way way way too much of the talking time on Good Morning Football today. I love this crew but they have a rotating 4th person of former players and Cribbs is today's and it's terrible.

[German_Panzer]

Agree Nagler!

There is actually more to it. Rodgers could have made the endzone if he did not hesitate before. The same thing like in the NFC game vs. Tampa. Within 10 yards and no glaring aim I would recommend him to run, period. It is too crowded to throw. He needs to get into this mindset or we will see this again in the Playoffs.

[Yoop]

Why was AJ Dillon picked in the 2nd round?

last night is why. You don't see backs that big have that GOOD of cutback ability.

AJ Dillon is an absolute privilege to watch once he gets in a groove.

True, imo though what Dillon does works well between the 20's when a defense has to play honest against both the run and the pass, on pure run plays and short yardage we've seen Dillon gang tackled in the backfield, obviously a lot depends on the DL where facing, But Dillon needs to build up a head of steam to really be affective

if dillon is getting hit in the backfield, i choose to blame the blocking and not the back. full stop.

true, but that doesn't change anything, Dillon is slower getting to the LOS then Jones, and Jones is better laterally to change direction, this isn't a knock on Dillon simply my own observation of who I think is better in short yardage situations.

I think of these two RB's in some respects like we experienced with Taylor and Hornung, Taylor was dominate between the 20's, and Hornung was inside the 20's, like Jones he was very good at getting the TD's

[Drj820]

Agree Nagler!

There is actually more to it. Rodgers could have made the endzone if he did not hesitate before. The same thing like in the NFC game vs. Tampa. Within 10 yards and no glaring aim I would recommend him to run, period. It is too crowded to throw. He needs to get into this mindset or we will see this again in the Playoffs.

Yeah ya know dude is like 37, id rather him prioritize protecting himself so he can be alive and on the field come January. That play showed the heart of a warrior, i see nothing to fault him for on that play.

[YoHoChecko]

I mean, [mention]Yoop[/mention] has a point that Jones has been deadly in the red zone over his career. Sometimes it's the quickness and vision and squeezing through small holes that really benefits you there.

Dillon is a LOAD but he's a load that does better with a runway. He also doesn't always run like he's as big as he is, which was very true of his college tape, as well. No offense to Dillon; love the player, liked the pick, am stoked about his future and present. But Dillon isn't always the obvious red zone choice when you have Jones.

Now, shotgun? That I think we can all agree was a head scratcher.

To me if you want to take advantage of a stacked box full of bigs at the goalline, you don't do a heavy personnel package. You spread it out a little bit to ccreate the space for the run with the threat of a pass. Passing out of a run personnel group from shotgun just won't cut it. MLF knows.

It's interesting to e that, like, MLF coached an outstanding, amazing game 95% of the game, made absolutely crucial mistakes on two red zone trips. And people are fixated on his mistakes.

Rodgers played a solid, unspectacular game for 95% of it, and for 5% he almost cost the team the game with absolutely inexcusable mental mistakes of his own, and people want to ignore the problems and talk about how great he played beyond the stats.

I'm gonna tell you something., That space between the stats and the outcome? That's the gameplan. MLF

[YoHoChecko]

I gotta say, I still cannot get over the fact that Hopkins legit faked a back shoulder fade, while the ball was in the air, which adjusted his speed perfectly to lead to him catching it in stride. Stokes looked silly on the play, but that was a genuinely unreal play by Hopkins. I honestly haven't seen anyone else ever do that before (not saying it hasn't happened, but I haven't seen it)

Yeah, absolutely disgusting, filthy. Not fair.

Ball was definitely underthrown by like 5-6 yards without that, surprised Kyler could even get it to where he got it with how he threw that.

Like I'm a PACKERS fan and I'm texting my football buddies this morning like "y'all gotta check out the highlights to see this absolutely baller route/move/fake/catch by Hopkins."

It's so quick and subtle and easy to let it pass by but I am endlessly impressed.

[Yoop]

Agree Nagler!

There is actually more to it. Rodgers could have made the endzone if he did not hesitate before. The same thing like in the NFC game vs. Tampa. Within 10 yards and no glaring aim I would recommend him to run, period. It is too crowded to throw. He needs to get into this mindset or we will see this again in the Playoffs.

Yeah ya know dude is like 37, id rather him prioritize protecting himself so he can be alive and on the field come January. That play showed the heart of a warrior, i see nothing to fault him for on that play.

I liked this play so much that I brought it up, only I got the specifics screwed up like our QB, I'am not perfect

[go pak go]

Douglas deserves the Here's Johnny, but AJ Dillon was the MVP of last night's game. There is no doubt about that after watching it again this morning.

[go pak go]

Man Krys Barnes struggled last night.

That last Cardinals TD was all because he covered the wrong hole.

[YoHoChecko]

Remember when people thought the Packers were trolling because of their news announcement of signing Rasul Douglas instead of trading for Stephon Gilmore?

NCF was all over it

[Pckfn23]

Man Krys Barnes struggled last night.

That last Cardinals TD was all because he covered the wrong hole.

If there are 2 gaps unmanned, he can't be right. There shouldn't be 2 open gaps.

[salmar80]

Man Krys Barnes struggled last night.

That last Cardinals TD was all because he covered the wrong hole.

If there are 2 gaps unmanned, he can't be right. There shouldn't be 2 open gaps.

Barnes did struggle in the game, going against a very fast O isn't his forte. But on that particular play, he was left in an unwinnable situation. Pick either gap, and it would take a rusher mistake to have success. We lost that play at the defensive play call. Just too few players in the area to fill the gaps.

[go pak go]

Oh my goodness. How the hell did they overturn that Aaron Jones TD?

My emotion is completely out of it now. I in no way can see how that TD got taken away

[YoHoChecko]

Oh my goodness. How the hell did they overturn that Aaron Jones TD?

My emotion is completely out of it now. I in no way can see how that TD got taken away

I get that feeling because that's a low bar for irrefutable, but when I look at it, I'm about 99% sure he didn't get in. So Yeah, they overturned it on sketchy evidence, but the call on the field was probably wrong and I would hate to have won on a play that is debated as a favor to the Packers.

[Pckfn23]

Man Krys Barnes struggled last night.

That last Cardinals TD was all because he covered the wrong hole.

If there are 2 gaps unmanned, he can't be right. There shouldn't be 2 open gaps.

Barnes did struggle in the game, going against a very fast O isn't his forte. But on that particular play, he was left in an unwinnable situation. Pick either gap, and it would take a rusher mistake to have success. We lost that play at the defensive play call. Just too few players in the area to fill the gaps.

Yep, 100%

[YoHoChecko]

I think the truth is in the middle of your post and my post. To say he was a game manager that marginally executed the strategy is near blasphemy, but the shortcomings you point out are accurate.

It's a little weird that we had a QB that completed 59% of his passes on his way to 184 yards, averaging 4.97 yards per pass and 8.36 yards per completion while grinding clock and handing it off... and people are upset with calling the performance that of a game manager. Like that is the literal definition of game manager performance.

The lack of weapons increased the degree of difficulty in the passing game, so MLF developed a plan that decreased degree of difficulty accordingly, to even it out. He basically said "we don't have the tools to win with the passing game so we're not going to ask the passing game to do very much." And that's a game manager gameplan. Giving Rodgers a ton of credit for sticking to the gameplan that decreased the emphasis on himself and his abilities is a bizarre sort of psychological twist akin to congratulating a Rhodes Scholar for getting a B+ on a high school math quiz because he didn't try to turn the math quiz into a dissertation on the theory behind that math.

[go pak go]

So the Packers defense allowed 21 points and 334 yards which is really good considering the Cardinals have only scored less than 31 points ONCE this season coming into this game.

But this game was legit 3 plays away from being absolutely dominant.

1. Play 1 - The Packers win the play on all 3 phases. Pass is horribly underthrown but the Packers got beat by honest to goodness some of the best route running adjustment and WR play I have ever seen. 62 yards resulted from it.

2. Play 2 - 3rd Quarter. 3rd and 4. Rashan Gary and Preston Smith force Murray out of the pocket towards the sidelines. Murray barely escapes Gary to throw the ball away as Gary leaped for Murray and missed. A sack here would have prevented them going for it on 4th down. Roughly 55 yards result as they end up scoring a TD.

3. Play 3 - Tyler Lancaster stops Edmunds in the Endzone for a safety. I don't know what actually happened here because Kenny Clark was in position to help his buddy out and grab Edmunds and pull him backwards which would have been a gauranteed safety. I can't tell if Clark was egregiously held on the play preventing him from releasing off his block and grabbing Edmunds or if Clark played really stupid football and just kept driving voluntarily into the Olineman. But this play was set up to be made. Also, the Packers forced a 3rd and 10 from that EZ too and then let them convert. If Clark was in fact held, that should have been a safety due to a penalty in the EZ.

Roughly 90 yards was allowed because of that.

This game honest to goodness was really close to being a 150 yard allowed defensive performance.

[Labrev]

Andy Herman made the argument that Jones's vision, slipperiness, and ability to get skinny make him a better candidate for goalline situations than Dillon and I figure LaFleur probably thinks similarly.

With that said, I think this is a case of the dumb fans being right and the smart guys being wrong. Dillon saw plenty of stacked boxes and still got the 3-4 yards needed to move the chains. He has earned the right to get a few tries there in Jones's stead.

[Yoop]

Aaron Rodgers was under pressure on 14 of 39 dropbacks, or 35.9 percent. Kyler Murray was under pressure on 11 of 37 dropbacks, or 29.7 percent, but that number feels low.

Of Rodgers’ 22 completions, 20 were thrown under 10 yards in the air.

The Packers gained 100 yards after first contact in the run game.

The Packers defense missed only four tackles. However, the defense also gave up five plays of 20 or more yards.

The Packers dropped three passes and were 2-for-6 in contested catch opportunities. Both catches were by Randall Cobb.

Rodgers seldom had time to throw deep passes, and didn't have receivers expected to get open deep.

heres some PFF grades

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-pf ... 30876.html

[salmar80]

I had 30 mins to sleep before work, finagled a short work day, got a nap in.

I'm still not fully settled down.

If you're an idiot, or have 5 seconds of time like the national media has on one game, you can make this sound so simple: Aaron Rodgers beat the Arizona Cardinals.

Dig not even an inch, but just a millimeter deep, about this much ".", and you'll find a team win. And Aaron Rodgers is a part of the team. Not the team.

National media just doesn't have the time to get into it, just as they only had time to mention Davante Adams as our important injuries -list.