We blaming MVS for not being open on every play? LolTheSkeptic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 05:50I picked Clark so I can't vote for him. Can't vote fr MVS either, on most of those deep misses he was not open enough. I haven't watched the 2nd half yet. I pick Josiah Deguara. Not only for the TD, I saw him open a couple of times when Rodgers went to someone else (and missed).
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No one picked Deguara.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 05:50I picked Clark so I can't vote for him. Can't vote fr MVS either, on most of those deep misses he was not open enough. I haven't watched the 2nd half yet. I pick Josiah Deguara. Not only for the TD, I saw him open a couple of times when Rodgers went to someone else (and missed).
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Kenny Clark was a man among boys, played great and was impactful. Deserving of recognition.
For this contest, however, I gotta go MVS. Big plays, chain moving plays, and rose his level of play in a big game. Clutch play for a mostly unheralded player.
Kenny Clark was a man among boys, played great and was impactful. Deserving of recognition.
For this contest, however, I gotta go MVS. Big plays, chain moving plays, and rose his level of play in a big game. Clutch play for a mostly unheralded player.
I'll go with Poggers and Rodgers. He stunk in the first quarter, but was great after while playing in a lot of pain. He was pretty much back to what we want to see. Offense might have some promise if Bakhtiari can ever get back.
Yes MVS and Adams had very good games. But Rodgers helped make a bunch of that happen too. Clark was great as well. Pressure was good all day, just couldn't get there quick enough.
Yes MVS and Adams had very good games. But Rodgers helped make a bunch of that happen too. Clark was great as well. Pressure was good all day, just couldn't get there quick enough.
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My 3 are Rodgers, MVS, and Clark. All were very good, and all had some sort of drawback, however small. MVS for me.
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NFC ------------------------ WR MVS
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paco ----------------------- S Adrian Amos
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Yoop ------------------------ CB Rasul Douglas
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Labrev -------------------- WR Davante Adams
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Yoop ------------------------ CB Rasul Douglas
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lulu ------------------------ Offensive line
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OK, then, Adams. He caught 7 of 8 targets.
While MVS only caught 4 of 10 targets - which just plain stinks.
fyi, Dillon 6 of 6
ESB 2 of 2
Deguara 2 of 2
Cobb 1 of 2
Dafney 1 of 1
His failure to separate and failure to fight for the ball or even draw a pass interference means that Lazard needs to get healthy ASAP. I hope the Packers let him go after the season.
While MVS only caught 4 of 10 targets - which just plain stinks.
fyi, Dillon 6 of 6
ESB 2 of 2
Deguara 2 of 2
Cobb 1 of 2
Dafney 1 of 1
His failure to separate and failure to fight for the ball or even draw a pass interference means that Lazard needs to get healthy ASAP. I hope the Packers let him go after the season.
get serious, MVS isn't going anywhere, 3 of those 6 misses where all on Rodgers, MVS never even had a chance to catch those errant throws., and the others where borderline, didn't see MVS drop anything considered a easy catch.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:28OK, then, Adams. He caught 7 of 8 targets.
While MVS only caught 4 of 10 targets - which just plain stinks.
fyi, Dillon 6 of 6
ESB 2 of 2
Deguara 2 of 2
Cobb 1 of 2
Dafney 1 of 1
His failure to separate and failure to fight for the ball or even draw a pass interference means that Lazard needs to get healthy ASAP. I hope the Packers let him go after the season.
No player in the NFL in 2021 has been clocked at a faster speed than Green Bay Packers receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling during his long touchdown on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings.
According to Next Gen Stats, Valdes-Scantling reached a top speed of 22.09 miles per hour while racing past the Vikings defense on a 75-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter Sunday.
Before Sunday, Indianapolis Colts running back Jonathan Taylor was clocked as the NFL’s fastest ball-carrier at 22.05 miles per hour on a 75-yard touchdown run in Week 9. Valdes-Scantling and Taylor are the only two players to go over 22 miles per hour with the ball this season.
The speed is cool, but I do agree that in order to be a top-flight speed threat, MVS needs more savvy at the top of the route. He should be causing more pass interference calls via actually fighting for the ball, and he doesn't have the veteran subtle push off move that CBs hate that always goes uncalled. He has gotten a bit better every season, but that speed will go down as the years pass. Will be very interesting what kinda contract he warrants.Yoop wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:40get serious, MVS isn't going anywhere, 3 of those 6 misses where all on Rodgers, MVS never even had a chance to catch those errant throws., and the others where borderline, didn't see MVS drop anything considered a easy catch.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:28OK, then, Adams. He caught 7 of 8 targets.
While MVS only caught 4 of 10 targets - which just plain stinks.
fyi, Dillon 6 of 6
ESB 2 of 2
Deguara 2 of 2
Cobb 1 of 2
Dafney 1 of 1
His failure to separate and failure to fight for the ball or even draw a pass interference means that Lazard needs to get healthy ASAP. I hope the Packers let him go after the season.
No player in the NFL in 2021 has been clocked at a faster speed than Green Bay Packers receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling during his long touchdown on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings.
According to Next Gen Stats, Valdes-Scantling reached a top speed of 22.09 miles per hour while racing past the Vikings defense on a 75-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter Sunday.
Before Sunday, Indianapolis Colts running back Jonathan Taylor was clocked as the NFL’s fastest ball-carrier at 22.05 miles per hour on a 75-yard touchdown run in Week 9. Valdes-Scantling and Taylor are the only two players to go over 22 miles per hour with the ball this season.
Several of MVS's targets weren't catchable early. You have to put those on Rodgers.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:28OK, then, Adams. He caught 7 of 8 targets.
While MVS only caught 4 of 10 targets - which just plain stinks.
fyi, Dillon 6 of 6
ESB 2 of 2
Deguara 2 of 2
Cobb 1 of 2
Dafney 1 of 1
His failure to separate and failure to fight for the ball or even draw a pass interference means that Lazard needs to get healthy ASAP. I hope the Packers let him go after the season.
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MVS is rusty, first game back, his biggest problem is getting a clean release, when he does defenses have to double him, we've missed MVS badly, he opens up the interior for crossing routes, doesan't matter if he only catches 50% of the targets.salmar80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:53The speed is cool, but I do agree that in order to be a top-flight speed threat, MVS needs more savvy at the top of the route. He should be causing more pass interference calls via actually fighting for the ball, and he doesn't have the veteran subtle push off move that CBs hate that always goes uncalled. He has gotten a bit better every season, but that speed will go down as the years pass. Will be very interesting what kinda contract he warrants.Yoop wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:40get serious, MVS isn't going anywhere, 3 of those 6 misses where all on Rodgers, MVS never even had a chance to catch those errant throws., and the others where borderline, didn't see MVS drop anything considered a easy catch.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:28OK, then, Adams. He caught 7 of 8 targets.
While MVS only caught 4 of 10 targets - which just plain stinks.
fyi, Dillon 6 of 6
ESB 2 of 2
Deguara 2 of 2
Cobb 1 of 2
Dafney 1 of 1
His failure to separate and failure to fight for the ball or even draw a pass interference means that Lazard needs to get healthy ASAP. I hope the Packers let him go after the season.
No player in the NFL in 2021 has been clocked at a faster speed than Green Bay Packers receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling during his long touchdown on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings.
According to Next Gen Stats, Valdes-Scantling reached a top speed of 22.09 miles per hour while racing past the Vikings defense on a 75-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter Sunday.
Before Sunday, Indianapolis Colts running back Jonathan Taylor was clocked as the NFL’s fastest ball-carrier at 22.05 miles per hour on a 75-yard touchdown run in Week 9. Valdes-Scantling and Taylor are the only two players to go over 22 miles per hour with the ball this season.
You are a riot.Yoop wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 10:28MVS is rusty, first game backsalmar80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:53The speed is cool, but I do agree that in order to be a top-flight speed threat, MVS needs more savvy at the top of the route. He should be causing more pass interference calls via actually fighting for the ball, and he doesn't have the veteran subtle push off move that CBs hate that always goes uncalled. He has gotten a bit better every season, but that speed will go down as the years pass. Will be very interesting what kinda contract he warrants.Yoop wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:40
get serious, MVS isn't going anywhere, 3 of those 6 misses where all on Rodgers, MVS never even had a chance to catch those errant throws., and the others where borderline, didn't see MVS drop anything considered a easy catch.
No player in the NFL in 2021 has been clocked at a faster speed than Green Bay Packers receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling during his long touchdown on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings.
According to Next Gen Stats, Valdes-Scantling reached a top speed of 22.09 miles per hour while racing past the Vikings defense on a 75-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter Sunday.
Before Sunday, Indianapolis Colts running back Jonathan Taylor was clocked as the NFL’s fastest ball-carrier at 22.05 miles per hour on a 75-yard touchdown run in Week 9. Valdes-Scantling and Taylor are the only two players to go over 22 miles per hour with the ball this season.
It's MVS's 3rd game back.
I must have miss read a article I thought said it was his first game back, whatever, he's missed 5 games this season, doesn't matter, if Rodgers had played better in the first half MVS might have another score and another first down.go pak go wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 10:59You are a riot.Yoop wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 10:28MVS is rusty, first game backsalmar80 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2021 09:53
The speed is cool, but I do agree that in order to be a top-flight speed threat, MVS needs more savvy at the top of the route. He should be causing more pass interference calls via actually fighting for the ball, and he doesn't have the veteran subtle push off move that CBs hate that always goes uncalled. He has gotten a bit better every season, but that speed will go down as the years pass. Will be very interesting what kinda contract he warrants.
It's MVS's 3rd game back.
MVS usually drops balls at about a 50% ratio that hit him right in the hands, he hauled in almost all of those balls yesterday. Huge improvement compared to what we have seen from him in the past.
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I think my point had some validity, missing 5 games is harder for marginal players, would have been great to see the chemistry he could have built with Rodgers had he been healthy all year, or the better tech he may haven gained with release and separation.
I've been as tough on him as anyone here, but he brings something to this offense that we lack without him.
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MVS has 15 drops in his career. None this year. 222 targets. 110 receptions. Drops per target at a 7% clip. Drops per catch at a 14% clip. He definitely had a rough year for drops last year. Had a good game yesterday.
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I vote MVS, with Clark as runner-up
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Clark made their o-line look ridiculous. Just embarrassing.
MVS had himself a day. Early in the game it looked like the old McCarthy playbook with the constant long balls. Rodgers was off early, no reason to think MVS should have hauled any of those in.
I thought EQ had a decent day. Relatively speaking, I expect nothing from the guy and he had a few good plays.
Preston Smith was solid.
That said, MVS. He's come a very long way in the past two years. I'd wager that the bar is now raised for him in this contest.
MVS had himself a day. Early in the game it looked like the old McCarthy playbook with the constant long balls. Rodgers was off early, no reason to think MVS should have hauled any of those in.
I thought EQ had a decent day. Relatively speaking, I expect nothing from the guy and he had a few good plays.
Preston Smith was solid.
That said, MVS. He's come a very long way in the past two years. I'd wager that the bar is now raised for him in this contest.
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