General Packer News 2021

[paco]

Not insignificant.

The Ravens want to win bad. But Cleveland looks to implode and they still have games against the Steelers and Bengals to help their cause. Rams won't be easy for them either. They would be smarter to rest Lamar for those games.

[Drj820]

The no name backup for the ravens has looked pretty good in two appearances this year

[YoHoChecko]

The no name backup for the ravens has looked pretty good in two appearances this year

Huntley had a pretty good college career. Me and my Ravens fan buddy both liked him as a late round backup heading into that draft.

[Pckfn23]

[Yoop]

that puts us on pace for 360 plus pressures, that is phenomenal imo.

I need to try and find league wide pressures by team, problem is PFF has a pay wall now as you know, and PFR doesn't do the pressures the same, typically much lower for some reason.

my old opinion of pass rush being negated because of the up tempo offensive schemes and quality pass protection has gone out the window these last few years, since Baltimore accounted for 40 plus % pressure on pass plays a few seasons back several teams have matched it, just as we hopefully will this year.

[Pckfn23]

PFR doesn't do the pressures the same, typically much lower for some reason.

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[Pckfn23]

[go pak go]

PFR doesn't do the pressures the same, typically much lower for some reason.

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PFR doesn't do the pressures the same, typically much lower for some reason.

I don't get it, it must be a inside joke, I try to comment in a positive manor, and this is the reaction

[YoHoChecko]

[BF004]

I don't get it, it must be a inside joke, I try to comment in a positive manor, and this is the reaction

No, sadly not an inside joke, just a painfully repetitive public joke I guess.

Off a quick search not including the last forum.

PFR's oft-misunderstood "pressure" stat is simply hurries+knockdowns+sacks (almost).

almost is a subjective word I have almost zero faith that PFR gets the hurries right unless sports trac does the evaluating for them, and they've only been doing this stuff for 2 years.

my angst with all this is people here shooting down PFF grades, while not perfect, and don't always align with Lafluers explanations, there usually very close to what we hear from him, obviously they wont know exactly player assignments, no outsider would be balls on accurate concerning that stuff.

whatever, we don't have access to a ton of game and player evaluations, it's nice to have a varifiable reference to confirm what we watch, but for someone to bring in PFR to do that when it comes to pass rush isn't anything near conclusive at all, and how can they possibly give a player a pressure unless they are evaluating and grading that players performance, Sal do you see why this is confusing to me.

I didn't bring PFF grade for Gary only. I brought PFR pressure stats for both.

No one said PFRs 10 pressures for Gary has him ranked 9th. I have not looked up where his rank is on PFR.

I am sorry it doesn't make sense to you.

well how can Gary have 23 pressures and a 9th over all ranking (which seems about right to me), yet GPG just showed that he had just over 10 pressures total from the same sight (PFR)

Paco brought a twitter post showing PFF has Gary at 23 pressures, ranked 9th. Not something I brought. Also not the same place go pack go got 10 pressures, which was from PFR. The general public doesn't have access to PFF, thus we use PFR.

PFF and PFR don't evaluate and tally pressures the same. We have gone over this...

I looked for PFR grades today, but they don't come out till tomorrow, and often I've seen grades change with PFF from these instant grades we see this morning to when there consensus grades come out mid week.

PFR has their stats up today.
PFF also has their grades up today and have stated many times they rarely revise their grades. There is no "consensus" grades that come out mid week.

wha? I bet that Mathews is still better then anyone not named Smith or Gary, and Mathews is the one that emailed someone about wanting to play again for us, Rodgers and Cobb simply agreed they'd like him back.

you really hate that the FO caved in that Rodgers should have a voice in some personal decisions don't you?

You really don't read. Like ever. Don't you.

I read, but not well, next time use pictures please

hey like I've told you, you sound like a porta john lawyer posing as a IRS agent

PFF has 5 or so guys that over view all there interns, so everything is double and triple checked, so when you say they are simply more liberal with handing out hurries I tend to doubt that as much as I think PFR is simply a lot more stingy, I've seen big discrepancy's between them and other data reporting articles, as Branden or someone else mentioned PFR is pretty new, and PFF has been around for close to 2 decades, for the first couple years they where under staffed, but I don't think thats the case any more, I read somewhere that just about every nfl team buys there reports and most colleges too, if thats in fact true then that to me means they are reputable.

seriously now just look at the total pressure difference with Aaron Donalds PFF scores

2020 - Aaron Donald: 98
2019 - Za'Darius Smith: 93
2018 - Aaron Donald: 106
2017 - Aaron Donald: 91

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2021/0 ... l-ranking/

and PFR isn't even in the same ball park, they have Aarons best season as 70 total pressures, and only 45 for last year, thats a lot of liberality then from PFF, thats less then half the totals.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... naAa00.htm

then why do you bring PFF grades for Gary yet show PFR for Donald?

you pull this &%$@ all the time and all it does is confuse everyone!


so lets use PFR then, in what freaking universe is 30 plus total pressures a season considered even good for a edge rusher, you have him ranked 9th among all edge rushers this season with 23 rushes with PFF, yet you expect me to believe 10 total pressures has him ranked 9th with PFR? this doesn't even make sense.

I didn't bring PFF grade for Gary only. I brought PFR pressure stats for both.

No one said PFRs 10 pressures for Gary has him ranked 9th. I have not looked up where his rank is on PFR.

I am sorry it doesn't make sense to you.

well how can Gary have 23 pressures and a 9th over all ranking (which seems about right to me), yet GPG just showed that he had just over 10 pressures total from the same sight (PFR)

I looked for PFR grades today, but they don't come out till tomorrow, and often I've seen grades change with PFF from these instant grades we see this morning to when there consensus grades come out mid week.

my point is if your getting credit for a half sack then obviously it totals 1 pressure

Yes, and it does on Pro Football Reference as well.

sacks, hits and knock downs = total pressures, they tabulate this stuff differently then PFF,

No, PFF is more liberal with counting hurries. That's really the only different

if your already getting credit for a half sack, that is obviously a hurry, as well and also a hit, so simply add the 3 up and thats your total,

That's not how PFF does it. Why would a half sack count as 2.5 pressures? It's only 1 play... How can a defender pressure a QB 2.5 times in a single play?

PFR is also rewarding that half sack with another hurry, so complicated only a person like yourself would like it.

No, That is not the case. A sack or .5 sack is not counted as a hurry.

a sack is also a hurry, a hit is also a hurry, a knockdown is also a hurry, so when you total the 3 thats the total amount of hurries, PFR twist this up, it's comp0licated and doesn't need to be.

2020:

Preston Smith - 4 Hurries. 3 QB Hits. 1.5 Sacks. 9 Total Pressures.
Zadarius Smith - 6 Hurries. 5 QB Hits. 8 Sacks. 19 Total Pressures.
Rashan Gary - 2 Hurries. 3 QB Hits. 2.5 Sacks. 8 Total Pressures.

Total = 12 Hurries. 11 Hits. 12 Sacks. 36 Pressures.

2019: (after 9 games)

Preston Smith - 9 Hurries. 5 QB Hits. 8 Sacks. 22 Total Pressures.
Zadarius Smith - 7 Hurries. 8 QB Hits. 8.5 Sacks. 24 Total Pressures.
Rashan Gary - 1 Hurry. 1 QB Hit. 1 Sack. 3 Total Pressures.
Kyler Fackrell - 2 Hurries. 2 QB Hits. .5 Sack. 5 Total Pressures.

Total = 18 Hurries. 16 Hits. 18 Sacks. 54 Pressures.

thanks, our pressures are down a 1/3rd, we all love the hits and sacks, but hurries are often just as affective, we got a pick Sunday due to a hurry, just making the QB re set and possibly move to another receiver is a successful pass rush to me.

I think some saw this coming, Gary would over take P. Smith, imo it's obvious he's much more athletic, has better feet and really just needed some coaching up and increased strength, it showed Sunday, and Prestine at times just looks weak, can't shed a block, I forget, I think it was the Bucs game, he was dominated for most of the game by a TE, I told my brother we should try and sign that TE lol, so ya, I would give Prestines money to resign Jones, orrrrr, I'd use it on a big DT

I remember reading that Z. Smith had somewhere in the neighborhood of 120 total pressures last year, I know there is a wide range when doing these pressure states, but these are so much different then I remember, I think my source last year was PFR and P.Smith was around 50 total, either way he hasn't looked anything like he did last season, neither does Z, Gary has made the leap.

[YoHoChecko]

ok, wait, I remember glazing over last time this argument came up, but reading all of that back...

does PFF really give away hurries about three times more liberally than PFR? And that's the difference? That is a wild amount of discretion between the two!

[APB]

ok, wait, I remember glazing over last time this argument came up, but reading all of that back...

does PFF really give away hurries about three times more liberally than PFR? And that's the difference? That is a wild amount of discretion between the two!

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ok, wait, I remember glazing over last time this argument came up, but reading all of that back...

does PFF really give away hurries about three times more liberally than PFR? And that's the difference? That is a wild amount of discretion between the two!

Imo, and just guessing simply because the diff. gap from PFR to PFF is so large.

PFF counts all the hurries, as we know often there are multiple players getting pressure on any given play, my guess is PFR does not, they must count the first player to get pressure, sack or hit and thats it, thats the only thing I can think of for the numbers being so lop sided.

[mnpackerbacker]

And this is without Z.

[paco]

Didn't see if anyone mentioned this signing. Seems like a good kid people think can be good. But what place does he have with us? Depth for the future assuming Patrick is gone next year? Insurance for now because Myers may not come back this season?

[Cdragon]

Didn't see if anyone mentioned this signing. Seems like a good kid people think can be good. But what place does he have with us? Depth for the future assuming Patrick is gone next year? Insurance for now because Myers may not come back this season?

Center missed the D encroachment and didn't snap, somebody must have heard about it from AR. Wish AR would mention STs to them.

[salmar80]

Didn't see if anyone mentioned this signing. Seems like a good kid people think can be good. But what place does he have with us? Depth for the future assuming Patrick is gone next year? Insurance for now because Myers may not come back this season?

Center missed the D encroachment and didn't snap, somebody must have heard about it from AR. Wish AR would mention STs to them.

7th rounder on the practice squad? Must have a momumental meaning for the future of the franchise. This move will either lift Gutey into HoF GM status or sink him once and for all. AR may stay with GB and give a big discount just because we now have Michel Menet.

[Backthepack4ever]

Kenny Clark to the covid list