The Packers Defense

[Pckfn23]

Along with that same line of thinking, teams gain more per rush on the ground when they are in pass mode being behind a couple scores as the defense is setting up to defend the pass, not the rush.

[Acrobat]

Along with that same line of thinking, teams gain more per rush on the ground when they are in pass mode being behind a couple scores as the defense is setting up to defend the pass, not the rush.

Exactly my thought. Easy to gain 10 yards on a rushing play when we're full go rushing the passer.

[Pckfn23]

Also the poor run defense has been a last 3 games thing. The 2 games prior to that we held the Rams and Vikings to under 4 yards a carry.

[Acrobat]

Also the poor run defense has been a last 3 games thing. The 2 games prior to that we held the Rams and Vikings to under 4 yards a carry.

And one of those games was without Kenny Clark.

[Pckfn23]

Also against the Ravens and Bears, their leading rushers were QBs.

Defending a running QB is important, no doubt, but not all teams have one.

[Drj820]

3 games tho is almost a trend

[Pckfn23]

It's not the same trend however.

[Foosball]

Not sure why the Browns went to the passing game in the 3rd quarter. They could have won by just rushing the ball.

Very disconcerting that the Packers D can’t get lined up in time and also be out of position. They looked like the keystone cops (whoever they were).

On the TD Douglas gave up, it looked like he decided he had to cover both receivers because the Slot receiver was not covered. Which is why he got beat. So I don’t blame him and Rasul more than made up for it later.

[Pckfn23]

I am not sure how this compares across the league, but this is interesting:

RB yards/carry - 4.46
QB yards/carry - 6.05
WR/TE yards/carry - 5.62

Best ball carries against us by yards in a game:

Nick Chubb (RB) 17 for 126
Justin Fields (QB) 15 for 117
Khalil Herbert (RB) 19 for 97
Taylor Heinicke (QB) 10 for 95

[Drj820]

So the stat isn’t 31st in rush yards given up, it’s 31st in YPC average, okay fair enough.

I’m surprised that stat isn’t more alarming to others on the forum. I too think Kenny getting back to 100% will help, but I think a stat like that could foreshadow trouble.

Especially when the average seems to be going up, not down...heading toward the postseason.

[wallyuwl]

So the stat isn’t 31st in rush yards given up, it’s 31st in YPC average, okay fair enough.

I’m surprised that stat isn’t more alarming to others on the forum. I too think Kenny getting back to 100% will help, but I think a stat like that could foreshadow trouble.

Especially when the average seems to be going up, not down...heading toward the postseason.

It is scheme. Have to scheme contain, they are not and focusing on outside pass rush. The big yards have happened outside from lack of contain.

[Yoop]

So the stat isn’t 31st in rush yards given up, it’s 31st in YPC average, okay fair enough.

I’m surprised that stat isn’t more alarming to others on the forum. I too think Kenny getting back to 100% will help, but I think a stat like that could foreshadow trouble.

Especially when the average seems to be going up, not down...heading toward the postseason.

It is scheme. Have to scheme contain, they are not and focusing on outside pass rush. The big yards have happened outside from lack of contain.

we are struggling because teams are using a ton of play action, they show pass pre snap and run from those formations, it doesn't help when the team has a scrambling QB.

If we have our edge rushers play contain first they lose the initial speed to beat the tackle rushing the QB, I think Pettine did that some last year and our pass rush suffered, obviously they need to adjust some against a team thats having success running the ball, it makes it harder when ya can't depend on the interior DL to stop it either, because the edge guys will cave to help and a guy like Chubb will bounce out, we saw that happen plenty as well.

[go pak go]

So the stat isn’t 31st in rush yards given up, it’s 31st in YPC average, okay fair enough.

I’m surprised that stat isn’t more alarming to others on the forum. I too think Kenny getting back to 100% will help, but I think a stat like that could foreshadow trouble.

Especially when the average seems to be going up, not down...heading toward the postseason.

I was harping on this last week but got accused of not being happy.

[packman114]

It seems to me teams are running more when we are in nickel with only 2 DL. When we are in base the run defense has been more than adequate. I also wonder how many of the big runs were with Tipa in the game. He seems to lose the edge easily.

[Yoop]

So the stat isn’t 31st in rush yards given up, it’s 31st in YPC average, okay fair enough.

I’m surprised that stat isn’t more alarming to others on the forum. I too think Kenny getting back to 100% will help, but I think a stat like that could foreshadow trouble.

Especially when the average seems to be going up, not down...heading toward the postseason.

I was harping on this last week but got accused of not being happy.

waaaaaha, you provide very little sugar with your pronouncements just kidding

KeKe was a healthy scratch, Clark looked gassed, about the same can be said for Lowery, and Stanton still has trouble getting off blocks, but our DE/OLB's have to quit attacking down the line/ inside and stay more true to contain the edge.

I don't think theres any secret to being better against the run, obviously we have not been tackling as well as earlier in the season, but beyond that we simply have to play more mistake free, our DT's have to win there matchups, our ILB's have to fill the open gaps, and our DE's have to contain the edge, as well as get pressure on pass plays, tall order I agree, however we've done just that for most of the year, time for Barry to fire up some players, this doubly off coverage is insane, I know it helps to bait throws, but we are giving up easy first downs, and what is with all these mistakes from Savage, and others in zone coverage, this is 14 games into this season, that stuff should be all hashed out by now.

poor tackling, is poor prep and laziness, it's time to lite a fire under this defense, Lafluer needs to have a talk with Barry, Gary giving a pep talk is great, but it'll take a little more then just a few words to get this back on track, what happened against the Browns is embarrassing.

[YoHoChecko]

So the stat isn’t 31st in rush yards given up, it’s 31st in YPC average, okay fair enough.

I’m surprised that stat isn’t more alarming to others on the forum. I too think Kenny getting back to 100% will help, but I think a stat like that could foreshadow trouble.

Especially when the average seems to be going up, not down...heading toward the postseason.

It's mildly alarming. I think plenty of people are concerned about the run D.

But in some thread somewhere I pointed out that the bottom 11 teams in that specific stat--yards per carry--the teams that are at 4.5 yards per carry or worse (we're at 4.8, 31st) contain between 6 and 8 teams that will be in the playoffs.

So sure, it's less than ideal. But if there is a stat that tells you almost nothing about a team's success, it's one in which of the 11 worst teams in the league more than half consisted of the best 14 teams in the league by wins and losses. Just no correlation to team success.

[go pak go]

I'm not going to fret now because it doesn't make sense to fret now. The decline has already happened. The trend is set. Now it's time to move back up again. It's all about what we do in January and February.

This defense is playing different ball than it was in October and November. Those months they were flying to the ball, playing press and aggressive coverage, tackling very well, and playing complimentary team defense.

We aren't seeing that right now. Individually I think players are still playing great. Gary, Stokes, Douglas, Amos, Preston are playing great. But they have a few whifs here and there (hard for me to blame Gary on the 3rd and 10 run whif...I want him to go all out on pass rushing there).

I also don't think our Dline is as bad as some are saying. I think our biggest thing we have seen is a drop of play from Savage, Barnes and even Campbell.

If those guys click again 4 weeks from now, we will be A-Okay.

[Acrobat]

So the stat isn’t 31st in rush yards given up, it’s 31st in YPC average, okay fair enough.

I’m surprised that stat isn’t more alarming to others on the forum. I too think Kenny getting back to 100% will help, but I think a stat like that could foreshadow trouble.

Especially when the average seems to be going up, not down...heading toward the postseason.

It's mildly alarming. I think plenty of people are concerned about the run D.

But in some thread somewhere I pointed out that the bottom 11 teams in that specific stat--yards per carry--the teams that are at 4.5 yards per carry or worse (we're at 4.8, 31st) contain between 6 and 8 teams that will be in the playoffs.

So sure, it's less than ideal. But if there is a stat that tells you almost nothing about a team's success, it's one in which of the 11 worst teams in the league more than half consisted of the best 14 teams in the league by wins and losses. Just no correlation to team success.

Yep, especially since YPC can indicate that a team is behind and the defense is in Nickel/Dime and not playing the run. I know this is a very specific stat (and I realize that our Run D was not good in any situation last Sunday) but I'd like to see what our opponents' YPC is before they're down by 2 or more scores compared to after, since we have been up by 2+ scores in almost every game this year.

My larger concern about the defense actually has a lot to do with that. We've been up by 2+ scores in every game we've won this year but about half of those games ended much closer than they needed to. Don't want another NGCCG against Seattle happening in the playoffs. Need to figure that out.

[Drj820]

im not sure what all goes into these "grades" but my eye doesnt think Gary has played "high quality" or whatever they call it the past couple weeks. I think he has some pressures and sacks...but on plays he doesnt have those two things he has taken himself out of alot of plays and been less impactful than desired.

[Pckfn23]

The problem lies in all the OLBs doing the same bad thing against the run. It isn't just a Gary thing. Before the last 2 games he was really good against the run.