Rodgers wants out

[bud fox]

That chiefs def was not good.

I am for a Rodgers 4 year extension and just make it work. We definitely need to go wr and pray for a Justin Jefferson type because davante is gone.

Still annoys me we could've had tee Higgins instead of Love.

The Chiefs are 11-4 and lead the entire AFC. What part of this do you not understand. Overall their D is ranked about 8th of 32. As opposed to the Packers at 15. After 17 weeks. You know, I don't understand where you get your opinions from? Thin air?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-17-de ... kings-2021

Did you watch the game?

Go look at how the defence was doing the week's prior to the packers game.

[Drj820]

That chiefs def was not good.

I am for a Rodgers 4 year extension and just make it work. We definitely need to go wr and pray for a Justin Jefferson type because davante is gone.

Still annoys me we could've had tee Higgins instead of Love.

The Chiefs are 11-4 and lead the entire AFC. What part of this do you not understand. Overall their D is ranked about 8th of 32. As opposed to the Packers at 15. After 17 weeks. You know, I don't understand where you get your opinions from? Thin air?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-17-de ... kings-2021

the Chiefs D was very poor in the first several games of the season, and then they traded for Melvin Ingram and got Chris Jones back from injury. These two things and I am sure other things helped their D tremendously. They turned it around and since the trade deadline have been a very good defense. I believe when they played us they had started to turn it around.

[bud fox]

That chiefs def was not good.

I am for a Rodgers 4 year extension and just make it work. We definitely need to go wr and pray for a Justin Jefferson type because davante is gone.

Still annoys me we could've had tee Higgins instead of Love.

The Chiefs are 11-4 and lead the entire AFC. What part of this do you not understand. Overall their D is ranked about 8th of 32. As opposed to the Packers at 15. After 17 weeks. You know, I don't understand where you get your opinions from? Thin air?

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-17-de ... kings-2021

I think they were allowing over 30 points a game prior to the packers game - something close to that.

[British]

That chiefs def was not good.

I am for a Rodgers 4 year extension and just make it work. We definitely need to go wr and pray for a Justin Jefferson type because davante is gone.

Still annoys me we could've had tee Higgins instead of Love.

Since the Packers game that Chiefs D has been one of the best in the league. Two weeks after holding the Packers to 7 it held the Dak-led Cowboys to 9. It's continued to be extremely tough.

The Packers are in a great position. Either Rodgers and Adams re-sign and we go again for another few years.

Or we rebuild with a ton of picks to build around Love or choose his replacement.

Either way plenty for us to look forward to!

[texas]

I want Rodgers back for next season. Love completely failed during his audition. I'd like to keep developing Love for a couple years, but he did so poorly that he shouldn't factor into our long term plans, and if he does end up a solid player and franchise QB then it can be viewed as a bonus. I wouldn't draft a Rodgers replacement while Love is here, but I also would stop assuming Love is the Rodgers replacement, as we have been for 1.5 years.

Personally I don't even try and assess Love's current level. We saw him thrown into a game without any adjustments mid season against one of the best teams in the league. It barely counts as an audition.

The point is the Packers have infinitely more information than we do about him. And ultimately I'm going to trust MLF and Gute to make that call, as they seem pretty good at their jobs.

But the joy of a Rodgers and Adams trade is that it could give us a ton of picks in 2023 which is a much better QB class. If Love plays well in '22 on a depleted team due to the cuts we'll need to make to the salary cap, then maybe we use those picks on players to build around him.

If Love struggles then we're well placed to draft his replacement.

Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a starter. We used that top 10 pick on Raji and the 3rd we got for Favre we used to trade up for CM3. Gute may be thinking he can do something similar. But instead of a single 3rd he'll have multiple firsts.

The way the argument goes (the argument I buy into anyway), the types of mistakes Love was making were the types of mistakes that he shouldn't have been making after over a year in this league. The way it was described to me was that some of the particular problems he was having should have easily been fixed by now if he had truly been using his time to his advantage.

Also his throws sucked too, which is sort of unrelated but also not good.

Also, Rodgers went 6-10 but definitely looked solid. I remember my opinions from his rookie year pretty clearly. He looked like a really good QB and we were let down by the defense generally. It also could be true that MM gave him easier throws in order to build his confidence.

[APB]

I want Rodgers back for next season. Love completely failed during his audition. I'd like to keep developing Love for a couple years, but he did so poorly that he shouldn't factor into our long term plans, and if he does end up a solid player and franchise QB then it can be viewed as a bonus. I wouldn't draft a Rodgers replacement while Love is here, but I also would stop assuming Love is the Rodgers replacement, as we have been for 1.5 years.

Personally I don't even try and assess Love's current level. We saw him thrown into a game without any adjustments mid season against one of the best teams in the league. It barely counts as an audition.

The point is the Packers have infinitely more information than we do about him. And ultimately I'm going to trust MLF and Gute to make that call, as they seem pretty good at their jobs.

But the joy of a Rodgers and Adams trade is that it could give us a ton of picks in 2023 which is a much better QB class. If Love plays well in '22 on a depleted team due to the cuts we'll need to make to the salary cap, then maybe we use those picks on players to build around him.

If Love struggles then we're well placed to draft his replacement.

Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a starter. We used that top 10 pick on Raji and the 3rd we got for Favre we used to trade up for CM3. Gute may be thinking he can do something similar. But instead of a single 3rd he'll have multiple firsts.

Wait, I’m a little confused. How can the Packers trade Rodgers AND Adams? Isn’t Adams a FA after this season? Is this assuming he gets tagged? A tag we can’t afford, btw.

[Drj820]

I want Rodgers back for next season. Love completely failed during his audition. I'd like to keep developing Love for a couple years, but he did so poorly that he shouldn't factor into our long term plans, and if he does end up a solid player and franchise QB then it can be viewed as a bonus. I wouldn't draft a Rodgers replacement while Love is here, but I also would stop assuming Love is the Rodgers replacement, as we have been for 1.5 years.

Personally I don't even try and assess Love's current level. We saw him thrown into a game without any adjustments mid season against one of the best teams in the league. It barely counts as an audition.

The point is the Packers have infinitely more information than we do about him. And ultimately I'm going to trust MLF and Gute to make that call, as they seem pretty good at their jobs.

But the joy of a Rodgers and Adams trade is that it could give us a ton of picks in 2023 which is a much better QB class. If Love plays well in '22 on a depleted team due to the cuts we'll need to make to the salary cap, then maybe we use those picks on players to build around him.

If Love struggles then we're well placed to draft his replacement.

Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a starter. We used that top 10 pick on Raji and the 3rd we got for Favre we used to trade up for CM3. Gute may be thinking he can do something similar. But instead of a single 3rd he'll have multiple firsts.

The way the argument goes (the argument I buy into anyway), the types of mistakes Love was making were the types of mistakes that he shouldn't have been making after over a year in this league. The way it was described to me was that some of the particular problems he was having should have easily been fixed by now if he had truly been using his time to his advantage.

Also his throws sucked too, which is sort of unrelated but also not good.

Also, Rodgers went 6-10 but definitely looked solid. I remember my opinions from his rookie year pretty clearly. He looked like a really good QB and we were let down by the defense generally. It also could be true that MM gave him easier throws in order to build his confidence.

The continued attempts to compare the rodgers path to what we have seen from Love are asinine.

[British]

I want Rodgers back for next season. Love completely failed during his audition. I'd like to keep developing Love for a couple years, but he did so poorly that he shouldn't factor into our long term plans, and if he does end up a solid player and franchise QB then it can be viewed as a bonus. I wouldn't draft a Rodgers replacement while Love is here, but I also would stop assuming Love is the Rodgers replacement, as we have been for 1.5 years.

Personally I don't even try and assess Love's current level. We saw him thrown into a game without any adjustments mid season against one of the best teams in the league. It barely counts as an audition.

The point is the Packers have infinitely more information than we do about him. And ultimately I'm going to trust MLF and Gute to make that call, as they seem pretty good at their jobs.

But the joy of a Rodgers and Adams trade is that it could give us a ton of picks in 2023 which is a much better QB class. If Love plays well in '22 on a depleted team due to the cuts we'll need to make to the salary cap, then maybe we use those picks on players to build around him.

If Love struggles then we're well placed to draft his replacement.

Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a starter. We used that top 10 pick on Raji and the 3rd we got for Favre we used to trade up for CM3. Gute may be thinking he can do something similar. But instead of a single 3rd he'll have multiple firsts.

The way the argument goes (the argument I buy into anyway), the types of mistakes Love was making were the types of mistakes that he shouldn't have been making after over a year in this league. The way it was described to me was that some of the particular problems he was having should have easily been fixed by now if he had truly been using his time to his advantage.

Also his throws sucked too, which is sort of unrelated but also not good.

Also, Rodgers went 6-10 but definitely looked solid. I remember my opinions from his rookie year pretty clearly. He looked like a really good QB and we were let down by the defense generally. It also could be true that MM gave him easier throws in order to build his confidence.

I guess I just don't believe any fan with a keyboard can usefully judge Love based on one game where he's an injury fill in, compared to what Gute and MLF know and see every day.

They are the ones that need to judge Love and thankfully they are better at it than us and have a million times more information. If they don't think Love can cut it then no doubt they will have a plan to either persuade Rodgers to stay, or find a replacement.

But the joy of trading Rodgers, should we need to, is that we will likely get enough draft picks to find a replacement in the '23 draft. That's why I'm feeling pretty zen about it whatever happens.

[texas]

Personally I don't even try and assess Love's current level. We saw him thrown into a game without any adjustments mid season against one of the best teams in the league. It barely counts as an audition.

The point is the Packers have infinitely more information than we do about him. And ultimately I'm going to trust MLF and Gute to make that call, as they seem pretty good at their jobs.

But the joy of a Rodgers and Adams trade is that it could give us a ton of picks in 2023 which is a much better QB class. If Love plays well in '22 on a depleted team due to the cuts we'll need to make to the salary cap, then maybe we use those picks on players to build around him.

If Love struggles then we're well placed to draft his replacement.

Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a starter. We used that top 10 pick on Raji and the 3rd we got for Favre we used to trade up for CM3. Gute may be thinking he can do something similar. But instead of a single 3rd he'll have multiple firsts.

The way the argument goes (the argument I buy into anyway), the types of mistakes Love was making were the types of mistakes that he shouldn't have been making after over a year in this league. The way it was described to me was that some of the particular problems he was having should have easily been fixed by now if he had truly been using his time to his advantage.

Also his throws sucked too, which is sort of unrelated but also not good.

Also, Rodgers went 6-10 but definitely looked solid. I remember my opinions from his rookie year pretty clearly. He looked like a really good QB and we were let down by the defense generally. It also could be true that MM gave him easier throws in order to build his confidence.

I guess I just don't believe any fan with a keyboard can usefully judge Love based on one game where he's an injury fill in, compared to what Gute and MLF know and see every day.

They are the ones that need to judge Love and thankfully they are better at it than us and have a million times more information. If they don't think Love can cut it then no doubt they will have a plan to either persuade Rodgers to stay, or find a replacement.

But the joy of trading Rodgers, should we need to, is that we will likely get enough draft picks to find a replacement in the '23 draft. That's why I'm feeling pretty zen about it whatever happens.

Yeah that's definitely true, although they may very well have the same opinion as a fan with a keyboard. Or not.

[British]

I want Rodgers back for next season. Love completely failed during his audition. I'd like to keep developing Love for a couple years, but he did so poorly that he shouldn't factor into our long term plans, and if he does end up a solid player and franchise QB then it can be viewed as a bonus. I wouldn't draft a Rodgers replacement while Love is here, but I also would stop assuming Love is the Rodgers replacement, as we have been for 1.5 years.

Personally I don't even try and assess Love's current level. We saw him thrown into a game without any adjustments mid season against one of the best teams in the league. It barely counts as an audition.

The point is the Packers have infinitely more information than we do about him. And ultimately I'm going to trust MLF and Gute to make that call, as they seem pretty good at their jobs.

But the joy of a Rodgers and Adams trade is that it could give us a ton of picks in 2023 which is a much better QB class. If Love plays well in '22 on a depleted team due to the cuts we'll need to make to the salary cap, then maybe we use those picks on players to build around him.

If Love struggles then we're well placed to draft his replacement.

Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a starter. We used that top 10 pick on Raji and the 3rd we got for Favre we used to trade up for CM3. Gute may be thinking he can do something similar. But instead of a single 3rd he'll have multiple firsts.

Wait, I’m a little confused. How can the Packers trade Rodgers AND Adams? Isn’t Adams a FA after this season? Is this assuming he gets tagged? A tag we can’t afford, btw.

I was also under the impression we couldn't tag and trade Adams. But smarter people than me have crunched the numbers and it seems we can actually clear enough cap space to fit both 12 and 17 on the squad, at least long enough to trade them.

Would involve cutting Z, Cobb, extending or cutting Preston, Amos, restructuring Clark and Bak, extending Jaire. Other possible cuts include Lowry, Crosby, Turner.

CWood:

"It's not pretty, but it's doable. By cutting Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, and Randall Cobb as well as restructuring David Bakhtiari's roster bonus, the Packers would have $2M in cap space to be "legal" with the salary cap. They'd need to clear an additional ~$17M to create enough cap space to tag Davante Adams. A near complete restructure of Kenny Clark pushes the Packers to $13.7M in cap space. That remaining $4M could easily be created by extending Adrian Amos and/or Jaire Alexander, plus there's some more voidable years you could dummy to create the cap space. It's not pretty, but it'll be done. At that point, you could trade Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams and would clear nearly $38M in cap space between the two of them."

[APB]

Wait, I’m a little confused. How can the Packers trade Rodgers AND Adams? Isn’t Adams a FA after this season? Is this assuming he gets tagged? A tag we can’t afford, btw.

I was also under the impression we couldn't tag and trade Adams. But smarter people than me have crunched the numbers and it seems we can actually clear enough cap space to fit both 12 and 17 on the squad, at least long enough to trade them.

Would involve cutting Z, Cobb, extending or cutting Preston, Amos, restructuring Clark and Bak, extending Jaire. Other possible cuts include Lowry, Crosby, Turner.

CWood:

"It's not pretty, but it's doable. By cutting Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, and Randall Cobb as well as restructuring David Bakhtiari's roster bonus, the Packers would have $2M in cap space to be "legal" with the salary cap. They'd need to clear an additional ~$17M to create enough cap space to tag Davante Adams. A near complete restructure of Kenny Clark pushes the Packers to $13.7M in cap space. That remaining $4M could easily be created by extending Adrian Amos and/or Jaire Alexander, plus there's some more voidable years you could dummy to create the cap space. It's not pretty, but it'll be done. At that point, you could trade Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams and would clear nearly $38M in cap space between the two of them."

[TheSkeptic]

Personally I don't even try and assess Love's current level. We saw him thrown into a game without any adjustments mid season against one of the best teams in the league. It barely counts as an audition.

The point is the Packers have infinitely more information than we do about him. And ultimately I'm going to trust MLF and Gute to make that call, as they seem pretty good at their jobs.

But the joy of a Rodgers and Adams trade is that it could give us a ton of picks in 2023 which is a much better QB class. If Love plays well in '22 on a depleted team due to the cuts we'll need to make to the salary cap, then maybe we use those picks on players to build around him.

If Love struggles then we're well placed to draft his replacement.

Rodgers went 6-10 his first year as a starter. We used that top 10 pick on Raji and the 3rd we got for Favre we used to trade up for CM3. Gute may be thinking he can do something similar. But instead of a single 3rd he'll have multiple firsts.

Wait, I’m a little confused. How can the Packers trade Rodgers AND Adams? Isn’t Adams a FA after this season? Is this assuming he gets tagged? A tag we can’t afford, btw.

I was also under the impression we couldn't tag and trade Adams. But smarter people than me have crunched the numbers and it seems we can actually clear enough cap space to fit both 12 and 17 on the squad, at least long enough to trade them.

Would involve cutting Z, Cobb, extending or cutting Preston, Amos, restructuring Clark and Bak, extending Jaire. Other possible cuts include Lowry, Crosby, Turner.

CWood:

"It's not pretty, but it's doable. By cutting Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, and Randall Cobb as well as restructuring David Bakhtiari's roster bonus, the Packers would have $2M in cap space to be "legal" with the salary cap. They'd need to clear an additional ~$17M to create enough cap space to tag Davante Adams. A near complete restructure of Kenny Clark pushes the Packers to $13.7M in cap space. That remaining $4M could easily be created by extending Adrian Amos and/or Jaire Alexander, plus there's some more voidable years you could dummy to create the cap space. It's not pretty, but it'll be done. At that point, you could trade Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams and would clear nearly $38M in cap space between the two of them."

Yeah, and you can jump out of an airplane with a flying suit rather than a parachute into the mountains on your first try in that flying suit. Maybe you have studied video and the physics of how to land unhurt for weeks and think it can be done. But if anything does not go as you planned the result is going to really hurt. You and the Packers should use a parachute instead. For the Packers, the parachute is to trade Rodgers.

[TheSkeptic]

Wait, I’m a little confused. How can the Packers trade Rodgers AND Adams? Isn’t Adams a FA after this season? Is this assuming he gets tagged? A tag we can’t afford, btw.

I was also under the impression we couldn't tag and trade Adams. But smarter people than me have crunched the numbers and it seems we can actually clear enough cap space to fit both 12 and 17 on the squad, at least long enough to trade them.

Would involve cutting Z, Cobb, extending or cutting Preston, Amos, restructuring Clark and Bak, extending Jaire. Other possible cuts include Lowry, Crosby, Turner.

CWood:

"It's not pretty, but it's doable. By cutting Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, and Randall Cobb as well as restructuring David Bakhtiari's roster bonus, the Packers would have $2M in cap space to be "legal" with the salary cap. They'd need to clear an additional ~$17M to create enough cap space to tag Davante Adams. A near complete restructure of Kenny Clark pushes the Packers to $13.7M in cap space. That remaining $4M could easily be created by extending Adrian Amos and/or Jaire Alexander, plus there's some more voidable years you could dummy to create the cap space. It's not pretty, but it'll be done. At that point, you could trade Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams and would clear nearly $38M in cap space between the two of them."

Yeah, and you can jump out of an airplane with a flying suit rather than a parachute into the mountains on your first try in that flying suit. Maybe you have studied video and the physics of how to land unhurt for weeks and think it can be done. But if anything does not go as you planned the result is going to really hurt. You and the Packers should use a parachute instead. For the Packers, the parachute is to trade Rodgers.

[Drj820]

I guess I just don't believe any fan with a keyboard can usefully judge Love based on one game where he's an injury fill in, compared to what Gute and MLF know and see every day.

Love not even dressing his rookie year should tell you all you need to know about what Lafluer sees behind the scenes.

[British]

Wait, I’m a little confused. How can the Packers trade Rodgers AND Adams? Isn’t Adams a FA after this season? Is this assuming he gets tagged? A tag we can’t afford, btw.

I was also under the impression we couldn't tag and trade Adams. But smarter people than me have crunched the numbers and it seems we can actually clear enough cap space to fit both 12 and 17 on the squad, at least long enough to trade them.

Would involve cutting Z, Cobb, extending or cutting Preston, Amos, restructuring Clark and Bak, extending Jaire. Other possible cuts include Lowry, Crosby, Turner.

CWood:

"It's not pretty, but it's doable. By cutting Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, and Randall Cobb as well as restructuring David Bakhtiari's roster bonus, the Packers would have $2M in cap space to be "legal" with the salary cap. They'd need to clear an additional ~$17M to create enough cap space to tag Davante Adams. A near complete restructure of Kenny Clark pushes the Packers to $13.7M in cap space. That remaining $4M could easily be created by extending Adrian Amos and/or Jaire Alexander, plus there's some more voidable years you could dummy to create the cap space. It's not pretty, but it'll be done. At that point, you could trade Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams and would clear nearly $38M in cap space between the two of them."

Yeah, and you can jump out of an airplane with a flying suit rather than a parachute into the mountains on your first try in that flying suit. Maybe you have studied video and the physics of how to land unhurt for weeks and think it can be done. But if anything does not go as you planned the result is going to really hurt. You and the Packers should use a parachute instead. For the Packers, the parachute is to trade Rodgers.

I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. If your advocating the Packers trade Rodgers then the scenario above is how it's done.

[British]

I guess I just don't believe any fan with a keyboard can usefully judge Love based on one game where he's an injury fill in, compared to what Gute and MLF know and see every day.

Love not even dressing his rookie year should tell you all you need to know about what Lafluer sees behind the scenes.

That told us what he thought of Love in his rookie year, which is pretty irrelevant now tbh.

What we want to know is what does he think of him now he's been in the league for 2 years.

The good news is we'll find out in the next few months!

[Drj820]

I guess I just don't believe any fan with a keyboard can usefully judge Love based on one game where he's an injury fill in, compared to what Gute and MLF know and see every day.

Love not even dressing his rookie year should tell you all you need to know about what Lafluer sees behind the scenes.

That told us what he thought of Love in his rookie year, which is pretty irrelevant now tbh.

What we want to know is what does he think of him now he's been in the league for 2 years.

The good news is we'll find out in the next few months!

and we arent allowed to use the data compiled from a full game of action against the chiefs to begin to form a year 2 judgement on Love are we?

[Yoop]

Love not even dressing his rookie year should tell you all you need to know about what Lafluer sees behind the scenes.

That told us what he thought of Love in his rookie year, which is pretty irrelevant now tbh.

What we want to know is what does he think of him now he's been in the league for 2 years.

The good news is we'll find out in the next few months!

and we arent allowed to use the data compiled from a full game of action against the chiefs to begin to form a year 2 judgement on Love are we?

what was there to learn? that a very young and raw QB that the GM took late in round one who he new would need a lot of tutoring couldn't deal with a very good pass rush which wouldn't allow him to get past his first route read faltered some in that first appearance? anyone that thinks they can for see Loves future ability based on that one game is dreaming, at best, we know that Love was not ready to start at that time, specially with a make shift oline that couldn't protect him, it doesn't mean that Love wont ever be a good starting QB.

[Drj820]

That told us what he thought of Love in his rookie year, which is pretty irrelevant now tbh.

What we want to know is what does he think of him now he's been in the league for 2 years.

The good news is we'll find out in the next few months!

and we arent allowed to use the data compiled from a full game of action against the chiefs to begin to form a year 2 judgement on Love are we?

what was there to learn? that a very young and raw QB that the GM took late in round one who he new would need a lot of tutoring couldn't deal with a very good pass rush which wouldn't allow him to get past his first route read faltered some in that first appearance? anyone that thinks they can for see Loves future ability based on that one game is dreaming, at best, we know that Love was not ready to start at that time, specially with a make shift oline that couldn't protect him, it doesn't mean that Love wont ever be a good starting QB.

Never said he "wont ever be", just saying in year one we knew he wasnt ready because he wasnt allowed to dress for games on Sundays. And the evidence we saw this season demonstrated that he also wasnt yet ready in year 2. Undrafted Tyler Huntley is in year two and almost beat the Packers. How many years should first round selection Love be given before we can accurately judge him, 2 or 3 more?

[TheSkeptic]

That told us what he thought of Love in his rookie year, which is pretty irrelevant now tbh.

What we want to know is what does he think of him now he's been in the league for 2 years.

The good news is we'll find out in the next few months!

and we arent allowed to use the data compiled from a full game of action against the chiefs to begin to form a year 2 judgement on Love are we?

what was there to learn? that a very young and raw QB that the GM took late in round one who he new would need a lot of tutoring couldn't deal with a very good pass rush which wouldn't allow him to get past his first route read faltered some in that first appearance? anyone that thinks they can for see Loves future ability based on that one game is dreaming, at best, we know that Love was not ready to start at that time, specially with a make shift oline that couldn't protect him, it doesn't mean that Love wont ever be a good starting QB.

+1
Prior to the KC game, Love had played in only 2 preseason games.
The KC game was on the road
The KC defense is very good
The Packers ST had him starting at his own 2 yard line and twice more inside his 20. They missed 2 field goals that should have made the game close.
Oh and do you know how many practice snaps Love had with Adams, his best receiver? Tell me please.