2022 Cap

[Ghost_Lombardi]

Top of the cap will be just over 208; it can't be higher.

GB is already about 30 million over 208 for 2022. That isn't even counting an Adams extension.

Besides the fact he doesn't want to play for GB, this is why GB should cash out AR for firsts and a young foundational player or two.

[BF004]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2022/

Packers do currently have the worst cap space in the league going into 2022.

Davante Adams will be a free agent, that is kind of about it, thanks to a poor 2018 draft class outside of Jaire who is already included on 5th year option.

Not a ton of options to play with to move money around, but the big options are, well big.

About 12 million for ZaDarius, 10 million for Jaire, 6 million for Preston, 5 million for Amos on extentions, maximum possible $$'s we could get, doubt we'd wanna do that.

25 million base salary on Aaron on his 40 million cap hit, so not a ton of play there either.



Other unsigned starters aside from Adams, are King/Sullivan (if either will end season as a start), Tonyan, MVS and Lucas Patrick.

A post June 1st trade this year would save about 23 million dollars against the 2022 cap, which according to the link above is about where we are.

[YoHoChecko]

They'll push a lot of money into 2023 and 24.

They put a ceiling on the salary cap most likely to spread out the tv deal growth. Neither the league nor the union like huge 1-year jumps. I thought they'd do less after the down cap year and let it jump to help teams out, but they're not. They're going to spread it out.

Remember when they were worried about LOSING money they set a cap minimum for the next season. The concerns here are about GAINING a bunch more all at once, so they set a maximum.

Obviously, tough decisions have to be made, and we have to be careful with dead money, too. But I'm not fearful.

[go pak go]

I'm not "fearful" but I also do think 21 is our last best shot at an elite roster until we likely need to see a slight pullback next year to prepare for the 2023 - 2025 run.

A lot of the cap issues go away without Rodgers on the team. If Rodgers is on the team, I do think it will be challenging to keep this roster together for an extended run. At some point we are going to have to take a breather year just so we can get some ammo again if we want to resign our high end guys as well as potentially any outside guys.

[TheSkeptic]

The Packers need to get Adams, Tonyan, Jenkins and Amos resigned. Should be possible if Rodgers is traded next week.

[YoHoChecko]

So I'm looking at this a bit this week, even though I had no intention to do so before the season ended.

I'm thinking the following moves are good to be considered:

1) Release Randall Cobb: saves $6.8 million
2) Release Dean Lowry: saves $3.9 million
3) Release Mason Crosby: saves $2.4 million
4) Extend Adrian Amos: save $4 million
5) Extend Jaire Alexander: savings depend on structure but maybe $5-8 million
6) Activate option bonus restructures for Bakh and Kenny: saves combined $10.5 million
7) Rodgers traded or extended: saves $19.3 million
8) Extend or release Za'Darius Smith
9) Extend or release Preston Smith

This would free up enough money to be under the cap, to extend some guys like maybe Campbell or Rasul, but even potentially a well-structured extension of Adams.


If we want to keep Rodgers, even though the 2022 savings could be handled by an extension, the out years of the deal would likely force us to pick 1 player among Adams and the Smiths to keep along with him.

But if we are going this route, I found myself at a conundrum. Given how well Preston Smith has played this year, and given Z's injury status, and given both of their ages (both 29, two months apart), who would we rather keep ebtween the two?

Za'Darius was the better player throughout his career, but back injuries are scary AND he'd be more expensive to keep (both because he's played better and because he's already unhappy with the big deal he had). Preston hasn't been as dominant or versatile, but has been available and bounced back this year.

I genuinely was surprised my brain got stuck here. But like, am I alone? If you had to choose a Smith to keep and a Smith to cut, do we know which one we'd pick?

[salmar80]

Y'all have fun with this. I'm not touching it nor our draft thingies until after we've won the SB.

We are in an all-in year, and I intend to be all-in focused on this season. The off-season is plenty long enough, even for the champion.

[YoHoChecko]

Y'all have fun with this. I'm not touching it nor our draft thingies until after we've won the SB.

We are in an all-in year, and I intend to be all-in focused on this season. The off-season is plenty long enough, even for the champion.

I agreed with you like two weeks ago but then I got bored with Excel open...

But you can still weigh in on which Smith you'd rather keep!

[salmar80]

Y'all have fun with this. I'm not touching it nor our draft thingies until after we've won the SB.

We are in an all-in year, and I intend to be all-in focused on this season. The off-season is plenty long enough, even for the champion.

I agreed with you like two weeks ago but then I got bored with Excel open...

But you can still weigh in on which Smith you'd rather keep!

[NCF]

I really think you kind of rip the band aid off and focus only on long term players. Given my personal definition of that I think it could be prudent to punt on both Smiths and just rebuild that room… potential with Mercilus as a stop gap, veteran presence.

[bud fox]

Top of the cap will be just over 208; it can't be higher.

GB is already about 30 million over 208 for 2022. That isn't even counting an Adams extension.

Besides the fact he doesn't want to play for GB, this is why GB should cash out AR for firsts and a young foundational player or two.

I disagree. The pack should extend him for 6 years with a out at 4 years - 4 real years. We should then start the rebuild at that time - if we lose players now so be it we have 4 years to draft and continue to develop.

Rodgers is too important.

[YoHoChecko]

I really think you kind of rip the band aid off and focus only on long term players. Given my personal definition of that I think it could be prudent to punt on both Smiths and just rebuild that room… potential with Mercilus as a stop gap, veteran presence.

I was considering this (and it's almost definite in my plans if we wind up deciding to keep Rodgers), but I'm also fearful of creating a missing middle class of veteran leadership that is so important to the team chemistry model and player leadership that MLF is building. Though I suppose stop-gap Mercilus (who fits into my plans given he should be a low level prove-it deal after his injury at his age) might be a part of that.

[bud fox]

The Packers need to get Adams, Tonyan, Jenkins and Amos resigned. Should be possible if Rodgers is traded next week.

We have won this year without Tonyan, Jenkins, Smith, Jaire, Bahk.

We have not won without Rodgers this year. Rodgers is the first piece and then sort out the rest of the puzzle.

[YoHoChecko]

Top of the cap will be just over 208; it can't be higher.

GB is already about 30 million over 208 for 2022. That isn't even counting an Adams extension.

Besides the fact he doesn't want to play for GB, this is why GB should cash out AR for firsts and a young foundational player or two.

I disagree. The pack should extend him for 6 years with a out at 4 years - 4 real years. We should then start the rebuild at that time - if we lose players now so be it we have 4 years to draft and continue to develop.

Rodgers is too important.

I think we can limit the Rodgers conversation to the Rodgers Wants Out Thread, though I understand it's a key decision to the cap piece.

For the time being, let's just pretend (because it CAN be true) that trading him and extending him for long-term deal reduce his $46 million 2022 cap number by $19.3 million. Either option addresses the numerical need in 2022, and then we can punt the conversation elsewhere and use this thread to consider what other moves might be part of cap balancing for a team projected to be $40 million over the cap if nothing changes.

[bud fox]

So I'm looking at this a bit this week, even though I had no intention to do so before the season ended.

I'm thinking the following moves are good to be considered:

1) Release Randall Cobb: saves $6.8 million
2) Release Dean Lowry: saves $3.9 million
3) Release Mason Crosby: saves $2.4 million
4) Extend Adrian Amos: save $4 million
5) Extend Jaire Alexander: savings depend on structure but maybe $5-8 million
6) Activate option bonus restructures for Bakh and Kenny: saves combined $10.5 million
7) Rodgers traded or extended: saves $19.3 million
8) Extend or release Za'Darius Smith
9) Extend or release Preston Smith

This would free up enough money to be under the cap, to extend some guys like maybe Campbell or Rasul, but even potentially a well-structured extension of Adams.


If we want to keep Rodgers, even though the 2022 savings could be handled by an extension, the out years of the deal would likely force us to pick 1 player among Adams and the Smiths to keep along with him.

But if we are going this route, I found myself at a conundrum. Given how well Preston Smith has played this year, and given Z's injury status, and given both of their ages (both 29, two months apart), who would we rather keep ebtween the two?

Za'Darius was the better player throughout his career, but back injuries are scary AND he'd be more expensive to keep (both because he's played better and because he's already unhappy with the big deal he had). Preston hasn't been as dominant or versatile, but has been available and bounced back this year.

I genuinely was surprised my brain got stuck here. But like, am I alone? If you had to choose a Smith to keep and a Smith to cut, do we know which one we'd pick?

Nice post - I would be fine not keeping the Smiths. Have to keep one - make it the cheapest one.

[bud fox]

Top of the cap will be just over 208; it can't be higher.

GB is already about 30 million over 208 for 2022. That isn't even counting an Adams extension.

Besides the fact he doesn't want to play for GB, this is why GB should cash out AR for firsts and a young foundational player or two.

I disagree. The pack should extend him for 6 years with a out at 4 years - 4 real years. We should then start the rebuild at that time - if we lose players now so be it we have 4 years to draft and continue to develop.

Rodgers is too important.

I think we can limit the Rodgers conversation to the Rodgers Wants Out Thread, though I understand it's a key decision to the cap piece.

For the time being, let's just pretend (because it CAN be true) that trading him and extending him for long-term deal reduce his $46 million 2022 cap number by $19.3 million. Either option addresses the numerical need in 2022, and then we can punt the conversation elsewhere and use this thread to consider what other moves might be part of cap balancing for a team projected to be $40 million over the cap if nothing changes.

Moves kind of depend on if he stays or goes but okay - I like the plan you had in your post. All those cuts and cut both Smiths or extend the cheaper one.

Send it through to Ball and Gute - you did their job for them.

[BF004]

So I'm looking at this a bit this week, even though I had no intention to do so before the season ended.

I'm thinking the following moves are good to be considered:

1) Release Randall Cobb: saves $6.8 million
2) Release Dean Lowry: saves $3.9 million
3) Release Mason Crosby: saves $2.4 million
4) Extend Adrian Amos: save $4 million
5) Extend Jaire Alexander: savings depend on structure but maybe $5-8 million
6) Activate option bonus restructures for Bakh and Kenny: saves combined $10.5 million
7) Rodgers traded or extended: saves $19.3 million
8) Extend or release Za'Darius Smith
9) Extend or release Preston Smith

This would free up enough money to be under the cap, to extend some guys like maybe Campbell or Rasul, but even potentially a well-structured extension of Adams.


If we want to keep Rodgers, even though the 2022 savings could be handled by an extension, the out years of the deal would likely force us to pick 1 player among Adams and the Smiths to keep along with him.

But if we are going this route, I found myself at a conundrum. Given how well Preston Smith has played this year, and given Z's injury status, and given both of their ages (both 29, two months apart), who would we rather keep ebtween the two?

Za'Darius was the better player throughout his career, but back injuries are scary AND he'd be more expensive to keep (both because he's played better and because he's already unhappy with the big deal he had). Preston hasn't been as dominant or versatile, but has been available and bounced back this year.

I genuinely was surprised my brain got stuck here. But like, am I alone? If you had to choose a Smith to keep and a Smith to cut, do we know which one we'd pick?

Preston has a history of good, bad, good, bad…. Might be smarter to let him go. I am thinking same with Za’Darius. I think Garvin has looked good enough to make this a possibility. Could attempt to resign any of Preston, Z or Mercilus or sign another borderline stop gap and then prolly draft someone as well. That should give you 4 bodies and save max money.

I’d give Cobb or either Smith a chance to come back at a reduced salary, Cobb only if Aaron is back though.

Amos and Jaire I extend both.



We get killed if we move on from Bak in the short term, but I think that would be dumb. Yosh has been serviceable, but I think if KC showed us anything, maybe Aaron’s best hidden trait is being able to cover up faults along the OL through checks, snap counts and reading the D pre and post snap.

I mean, we have 5 starters hurt from TE and tackle to tackle and the lone remaining starter is a rookie. And we have the best EPA per play on offense in the league since week 2, by a fair margin.

Gunna be fun, but a lot of ways to make it work.

I just let Aaron dictate his terms and commit to him for another 4 years if he is willing to commit that long. Let Jordan play and torch the Lions and trade him for a pick or two. Might live to regret that, but Aaron is just dialed in with LaFleur, I’m not willing to break that up.

[NCF]

Moves kind of depend on if he stays or goes but okay - I like the plan you had in your post. All those cuts and cut both Smiths or extend the cheaper one.

I kind of disagree. I really think there is a kind of understanding the team next year isn't going to be what it is this year. Therefore, whether Rodgers is here or not, I am only keeping guys or extending guys if they are part of the long-term outlook for this team as one way or another, we will have to hemorrhage talent. The Smiths would certainly help us win next year, but at 30 years old and injury histories and up-and-down play patterns, I would not consider them part of that long-term, so they have to go... with or without Rodgers. That is how I would look at it.

Even with a mini-rebuild and especially if Rodgers and Adams are both back, I would expect a nice season next year, but really, the goal should be opening up a new window in 2023 and beyond. That is just my opinion because I think we will be too young in too many spots next year to be in real contention.

[NCF]

Amos is probably the most difficult player to gauge. I am fine with a small extension, but he is another really tough decision. Billy Turner, as well, and I still think the best move is to move on from him.

[Drj820]

Billy needs to be moved on from.

For no fault of his own. Hes played up to his contract just fine.

He has just shown to be replaceable.

Amos hasnt allowed us to see if he is replaceable because he has had great availability, but something tells me it would hurt alot worse if he wasnt available.