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Through it all, Belichick always had Tom Brady until just recently. That makes a hell of a difference!
The Packers have had Favre and Rodgers for 30 years and only got 2 Superbowls out of it.
Packers have had Rodgers for the past decade and never even reached a Superbowl.
You need far more than elite QB play.
I don't think ya need elite QB play as much as ya need a QB that doesn't hurt the team, again, just look at how Guty has built this team the last 3 years, hardly any resources donated to what make a QB elite, almost nothing, Amari Rodgers draft in round 3 and the addition of Cobb, thats about it, Dequara is basically a blocking H back, his hands where on display when he dropped a easy TD last week.
we've built our OL to better run block, we took the biggest RB in the draft 2 years ago, and resigned for 10 mil annual a scatback guy in Jones, we are very close to a run first offense.
most of our high picks and UFA pickups are on defense, for the last 2 out of 3 years we are top 3 in the league pass rushing, now days with hurry up offense being a successful pass rushing defense is at a premium, even the best secondarys in the league will struggle when the QB has to much time, gotta have it.
my point is while we all want to keep Rodgers doing so will cost us some of this defensive talent, plus it's doubtful we can keep Adams, so why have a elite QB if he doesn't have the receivers needed for him to excel, we throw to Adams 150 times a season because the rest of the WR's struggle, now obviously we can pick up another receiver to supplant some of Adams loss but the point is we have been evolving so that the after life minus Rodgers and Adams will still keep us a competative team, just my opinion.
Yes, this is why I'd be just as excited, if not more, if the Packers end up trading Rodgers. MLF's scheme is QB friendly, the run game is magic, the OL is solid and the D has stepped up. It feels like Gute and MLF are working well together and have a plan should Rodgers and Adams depart.
Cashing out while we can still get draft picks for them as well could set the Packers up for the foreseeable future.
It would also be fun as a fan not to have the season all about whether the Packers can squeeze one last SB out of the QB. In that mode every season without one ends in crushing disappointment.
Following a team with no expectations of a SB but instead watching a team and young QB develop would make for a refreshing change, with any post season success a happy bonus.
So, looking at these cap sites, they'd have to lower his cap hit 35 million just to hit the cap. That seems ... difficult.
It's actually one of the easier things to manage for 2022 in a vacuum. If you consider his dead money versus likely Year 1 cap hit. The "get under the cap" gymnastics are more likely to come from a whole different group of guys. The bigger issue with Rodgers is how much do you want to commit to him (creating future cap issues) and are you willing to pull the plug on Love.
So, looking at these cap sites, they'd have to lower his cap hit 35 million just to hit the cap. That seems ... difficult.
It's actually one of the easier things to manage for 2022 in a vacuum. If you consider his dead money versus likely Year 1 cap hit. The "get under the cap" gymnastics are more likely to come from a whole different group of guys. The bigger issue with Rodgers is how much do you want to commit to him (creating future cap issues) and are you willing to pull the plug on Love.
why is it so many are concerned with Love, even if we should keep Rodgers, we should also keep Love, or draft another QB this year and trade Love next year, he has done nothing to get us decent compensation, he needs to play more
So, looking at these cap sites, they'd have to lower his cap hit 35 million just to hit the cap. That seems ... difficult.
It's actually one of the easier things to manage for 2022 in a vacuum. If you consider his dead money versus likely Year 1 cap hit. The "get under the cap" gymnastics are more likely to come from a whole different group of guys. The bigger issue with Rodgers is how much do you want to commit to him (creating future cap issues) and are you willing to pull the plug on Love.
why is it so many are concerned with Love, even if we should keep Rodgers, we should also keep Love, or draft another QB this year and trade Love next year, he has done nothing to get us decent compensation, he needs to play more
He seems to have the most to gain or lose by what happens with Rodgers so it would be foolish not be concerned with him. I don't fully disagree with what you are saying, but think keeping him may not be that simple. The last think you want is a disgruntled player at any position, but least of all, at QB. I just think it may be a best thing for all parties to move on type of situation.
So, looking at these cap sites, they'd have to lower his cap hit 35 million just to hit the cap. That seems ... difficult.
It's actually one of the easier things to manage for 2022 in a vacuum. If you consider his dead money versus likely Year 1 cap hit. The "get under the cap" gymnastics are more likely to come from a whole different group of guys. The bigger issue with Rodgers is how much do you want to commit to him (creating future cap issues) and are you willing to pull the plug on Love.
why is it so many are concerned with Love, even if we should keep Rodgers, we should also keep Love, or draft another QB this year and trade Love next year, he has done nothing to get us decent compensation, he needs to play more
Feels like if we care about getting the highest return on Love we should trade him this year, not next.
This year's QB class is mediocre compared to next year's.
Plus, a team will need to decide on Love's 5th year option after next season. If he's spent another year holding a clipboard in Green Bay, teams will have less info to make that call. They will also only have one year of cheap rookie deal left before his 5th year pay bump.
If we traded him this year, teams would have a year to assess him on a super cheap deal, after which they could trigger his 5th year option and have another year of rookie contract before his pay went up.
It's actually one of the easier things to manage for 2022 in a vacuum. If you consider his dead money versus likely Year 1 cap hit. The "get under the cap" gymnastics are more likely to come from a whole different group of guys. The bigger issue with Rodgers is how much do you want to commit to him (creating future cap issues) and are you willing to pull the plug on Love.
why is it so many are concerned with Love, even if we should keep Rodgers, we should also keep Love, or draft another QB this year and trade Love next year, he has done nothing to get us decent compensation, he needs to play more
Feels like if we care about getting the highest return on Love we should trade him this year, not next.
This year's QB class is mediocre compared to next year's.
Plus, a team will need to decide on Love's 5th year option after next season. If he's spent another year holding a clipboard in Green Bay, teams will have less info to make that call. They will also only have one year of cheap rookie deal left before his 5th year pay bump.
If we traded him this year, teams would have a year to assess him on a super cheap deal, after which they could trigger his 5th year option and have another year of rookie contract before his pay went up.
Yeah, it's pretty interesting, actually. The "he's a bum" crowd will tell you he is not worth anything in a trade, but with slim pickings available, the lure of hope, and some protections, contractually, I could see desperation lead to a pretty decent offer.
why is it so many are concerned with Love, even if we should keep Rodgers, we should also keep Love, or draft another QB this year and trade Love next year, he has done nothing to get us decent compensation, he needs to play more
Feels like if we care about getting the highest return on Love we should trade him this year, not next.
This year's QB class is mediocre compared to next year's.
Plus, a team will need to decide on Love's 5th year option after next season. If he's spent another year holding a clipboard in Green Bay, teams will have less info to make that call. They will also only have one year of cheap rookie deal left before his 5th year pay bump.
If we traded him this year, teams would have a year to assess him on a super cheap deal, after which they could trigger his 5th year option and have another year of rookie contract before his pay went up.
Yeah, it's pretty interesting, actually. The "he's a bum" crowd will tell you he is not worth anything in a trade, but with slim pickings available, the lure of hope, and some protections, contractually, I could see desperation lead to a pretty decent offer.
Yes. A bunch of teams could be in the market for a QB: Broncos, Panthers, Texans, Browns, Dolphins, Steelers, Falcons, Saints, Giants, Raiders, Washington.
Due to his rookie contract he's low risk, high reward. If it doesn't work out he's not going to set you back in terms of cap space.
They will likely be basing their assessment of Love from their college scouting. He was widely expected to be a late 1st round pick. Packers traded up for him and are generally pretty good drafters.
1st round QBs almost always get a second chance, and Love hasn't even shown that he's failed his first yet.
And this is a scenario in which we are asking Rodgers to extend. Easy stipulation for Rodgers to say he will only extend if the Packers trade Love. And they share an agent, who would no doubt prefer Love got a chance to be a starter and earn starter money sooner rather than later.
Yes. A bunch of teams could be in the market for a QB: Broncos, Panthers, Texans, Browns, Dolphins, Steelers, Falcons, Saints, Giants, Raiders, Washington.
Another interesting thing to watch is if Hackett, Getsy, or Stenavich leave... will they push strongly for their new teams to acquire a guy like Love if he is available.
Yes. A bunch of teams could be in the market for a QB: Broncos, Panthers, Texans, Browns, Dolphins, Steelers, Falcons, Saints, Giants, Raiders, Washington.
Another interesting thing to watch is if Hackett, Getsy, or Stenavich leave... will they push strongly for their new teams to acquire a guy like Love if he is available.
Yes. A bunch of teams could be in the market for a QB: Broncos, Panthers, Texans, Browns, Dolphins, Steelers, Falcons, Saints, Giants, Raiders, Washington.
Another interesting thing to watch is if Hackett, Getsy, or Stenavich leave... will they push strongly for their new teams to acquire a guy like Love if he is available.
why would they do that?
Because they see him every day and if they like him and their new team doesn't have a QB... why wouldn't they? Not sure where the disconnect is here.
Another interesting thing to watch is if Hackett, Getsy, or Stenavich leave... will they push strongly for their new teams to acquire a guy like Love if he is available.
why would they do that?
Because they see him every day and if they like him and their new team doesn't have a QB... why wouldn't they? Not sure where the disconnect is here.
I think if Love is so desirable that a brand new HC would want to stake his future on Loves ability...then trading Rodgers for loot shouldnt be a hard decision at all. It should be the obvious choice. If Love is that ready to excel. However, I think if Love was that ready...we would be hearing alot more teams interested in trading for him already. Almost like the buzz we heard around Jimmy G when he was with the Pats before he was dealt to SF.
Why would Love want to be a Packer if they keep Rodgers? Almost every player wants to start, and if they do not no team should want them.
The only reason would be if he feels he's not ready to start, and is getting such great coaching that he's in no hurry to leave to make his perhaps only push at a starting job.
Why would Love want to be a Packer if they keep Rodgers? Almost every player wants to start, and if they do not no team should want them.
The only reason would be if he feels he's not ready to start, and is getting such great coaching that he's in no hurry to leave to make his perhaps only push at a starting job.
If we were to restructure Rodgers to where he is with us for another 4+ years almost guaranteed. There really would be almost no point to having an asset like Love (first rounder) stuffed away on the bench. At that point, he should be dealt and someone like Benk or TBLS or another late round pick QB should serve as number 2. If Rodgers does come back and is extended, I would guess the only reason Love would not be dealt...is because he has no trade value so might as well have a decent backup on the roster. Other than that, I think you gotta try to recoup the losses of a first round pick that will hopefully never see the field.
Because they see him every day and if they like him and their new team doesn't have a QB... why wouldn't they? Not sure where the disconnect is here.
I think if Love is so desirable that a brand new HC would want to stake his future on Loves ability...then trading Rodgers for loot shouldnt be a hard decision at all. It should be the obvious choice. If Love is that ready to excel. However, I think if Love was that ready...we would be hearing alot more teams interested in trading for him already. Almost like the buzz we heard around Jimmy G when he was with the Pats before he was dealt to SF.
I don't think casual fans could handle hearing trade rumors about two QBs on the same team.
But yeah, Love has done NOTHING in public that gives a clue that he'll be a great QB in the future. But we have no idea whatsoever what Hackett or even LaFleur and Gutey think about Love and his development behind the scenes. Nor do we know for sure what the other teams think. This isn't really the time for advanced trade talk, since no one can trade anyone. All it takes is one or two teams to for whatever reason to believe in Love, for us to get exciting trade offers that on surface make little sense. See: Trade for Favre.
