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28 Jan 2022 13:04
I would bet they stay in house. Unless they have ties to someone else floating out there. I still never understand letting an outgoing GM do 1 last draft. Especially when you are in the market for a QB.
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28 Jan 2022 13:27
I saw someone on twitter post this. Going to see how deep MLF's rolodex is! But I expect Outten, Sirmans, Vrabel, and Butkus are in line for promotions.
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Yoop wrote:
28 Jan 2022 11:39
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28 Jan 2022 10:05
Going to throw out a probably unpopular thought (more from Mark Murphy's point of view)....

If Rodgers and Adams are gone. Hackett is gone. Packers decide to go a bit deeper into rebuild territory so Smiths and others are gone....

Let Getsy and Steno go to other jobs. Let Gutey and MLF re-tool the offense (and rest of the team). See if they can rebound and become a perennial playoff team without having the Rodgers thing hanging over their heads.

If it fails completely in 3 or 4 years, everyone is out on their butts. Everyone questions why the Packers win. Is it just Rodgers? Is MLF actually a good coach? Lets find out.
I don't think it's that unpopular.

I do, the goal of everyone here is to win a SB, the goal of the front office is to field a competitive team, obviously they wont say that, but all you can do is put the best product on the field possible and hope everything aligns and your knocking on that door.

the first thing a new HC has to do is bring in the best cast of assistants he can get, why would Lafluer just let Getty and Steno go? that makes no cents to me, and this team is loaded with talent, why let that all go, rebuilds are over rated, teams flounder for years doing that stuff, it's why Guty and Lafluer want to some how keep Rodgers, but if they can't ( I'am undecided, but would be fine either way) I sure don't relish a deep rebuild.
I reckon the rebuild only has to be one year. Use '22 to fix the cap issues, let some of the big contracts go, don't sign free agents so snag 4 decent comp picks, trade Rodgers.

Keep as much young talent around as you can with the cap constraints.

Give Love a full season to see how he does.

Then if he's shown promise, build around him and try and get up the Superbowl like MLF's mates have done with Goff and Jimmy at QB.

If you don't think Love is the answer, draft his replacement in the '23 draft.

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Yoop wrote:
28 Jan 2022 11:39
NCF wrote:
28 Jan 2022 10:25
paco wrote:
28 Jan 2022 10:05
Going to throw out a probably unpopular thought (more from Mark Murphy's point of view)....

If Rodgers and Adams are gone. Hackett is gone. Packers decide to go a bit deeper into rebuild territory so Smiths and others are gone....

Let Getsy and Steno go to other jobs. Let Gutey and MLF re-tool the offense (and rest of the team). See if they can rebound and become a perennial playoff team without having the Rodgers thing hanging over their heads.

If it fails completely in 3 or 4 years, everyone is out on their butts. Everyone questions why the Packers win. Is it just Rodgers? Is MLF actually a good coach? Lets find out.
I don't think it's that unpopular.

I do, the goal of everyone here is to win a SB, the goal of the front office is to field a competitive team, obviously they wont say that, but all you can do is put the best product on the field possible and hope everything aligns and your knocking on that door.

the first thing a new HC has to do is bring in the best cast of assistants he can get, why would Lafluer just let Getty and Steno go? that makes no cents to me, and this team is loaded with talent, why let that all go, rebuilds are over rated, teams flounder for years doing that stuff, it's why Guty and Lafluer want to some how keep Rodgers, but if they can't ( I'am undecided, but would be fine either way) I sure don't relish a deep rebuild.
You apparently missed the conversation detailing our salary cap situation…

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Rapsheet says Adams isn’t leaving GB. If this is true, this is the sign that the org is not content with a tank year in 2022. They don’t want losses to add up on their resume. If a trubinsky, mariota, Favre, Locke type is available...it would be smart to bring them in to compete.

Notice I didn’t say dalton, cam Newton, or Mike Glennon. Im talking about a class of QB that either flamed out or never got a full shot...but still has potential for some meat on the bone, while being cheap.
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Drj820 wrote:
28 Jan 2022 18:03
Rapsheet says Adams isn’t leaving GB. If this is true, this is the sign that the org is not content with a tank year in 2022. They don’t want losses to add up on their resume. If a trubinsky, mariota, Favre, Locke type is available...it would be smart to bring them in to compete.

Notice I didn’t say dalton, cam Newton, or Mike Glennon. Im talking about a class of QB that either flamed out or never got a full shot...but still has potential for some meat on the bone, while being cheap.
"If" is doing a lot of work there.

Devante asking for 30m a year apparently. And why not? Denver could pay him that.

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/ ... =headlines

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British wrote:
28 Jan 2022 18:53
Drj820 wrote:
28 Jan 2022 18:03
Rapsheet says Adams isn’t leaving GB. If this is true, this is the sign that the org is not content with a tank year in 2022. They don’t want losses to add up on their resume. If a trubinsky, mariota, Favre, Locke type is available...it would be smart to bring them in to compete.

Notice I didn’t say dalton, cam Newton, or Mike Glennon. Im talking about a class of QB that either flamed out or never got a full shot...but still has potential for some meat on the bone, while being cheap.
"If" is doing a lot of work there.

Devante asking for 30m a year apparently. And why not? Denver could pay him that.

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/ ... =headlines
Certainly a big if. But I think the outcome is a signal.
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NYG hiring Brian Daboll.
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28 Jan 2022 20:21
NYG hiring Brian Daboll.
Everyone was laughing at the Giants at the start of this off season and they end up with the hottest HC candidate of the lot.

Happy he didn't end up in the North.

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Sounds like Josh McDaniels to the Raiders.


I find it funny how many coaches get a 2nd head coaching gig within the same division. Maybe doesn’t happen super often, but I feel like it should never really happen.


Man, that coach was so good we just can’t beat them. Pssshh, he sucks and is fired, you can have him.
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Coaches that look like Brian Daboll don't usually do well, Andy Reid being the big exception.

Maybe he does well, maybe not. I give more credit for Josh Allen's development to Josh Allen than I do Brian Daboll.

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I'll be really happy if the Queens don't sign Harbaugh. I was just thinking, it could be back to the dark ages if Rodgers leaves and they sign Harbaugh and Eberflus somehow turns out to be good.

We've had this division on lock down almost my entire life.

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texas wrote:
30 Jan 2022 14:09
Coaches that look like Brian Daboll don't usually do well, Andy Reid being the big exception.

Maybe he does well, maybe not. I give more credit for Josh Allen's development to Josh Allen than I do Brian Daboll.
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paco wrote:
28 Jan 2022 13:11
NCF wrote:
28 Jan 2022 13:04
I would bet they stay in house. Unless they have ties to someone else floating out there. I still never understand letting an outgoing GM do 1 last draft. Especially when you are in the market for a QB.
That is what the Packers did. TT got us Kevin King instead of TJ Watt. Though supposedly Gute was actually making the decisions in that draft.

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wallyuwl wrote:
30 Jan 2022 15:49
paco wrote:
28 Jan 2022 13:11
NCF wrote:
28 Jan 2022 13:04
I would bet they stay in house. Unless they have ties to someone else floating out there. I still never understand letting an outgoing GM do 1 last draft. Especially when you are in the market for a QB.
That is what the Packers did. TT got us Kevin King instead of TJ Watt. Though supposedly Gute was actually making the decisions in that draft.
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texas wrote:
30 Jan 2022 14:09
Coaches that look like Brian Daboll don't usually do well, Andy Reid being the big exception.

Maybe he does well, maybe not. I give more credit for Josh Allen's development to Josh Allen than I do Brian Daboll.
Really? You make a judgement on how good a coach is by how he coach looks?

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BF004 wrote:
30 Jan 2022 15:36
texas wrote:
30 Jan 2022 14:09
Coaches that look like Brian Daboll don't usually do well, Andy Reid being the big exception.

Maybe he does well, maybe not. I give more credit for Josh Allen's development to Josh Allen than I do Brian Daboll.
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There is actually very, very strong correlation between success and being attractive from a human standpoint.

There are actually lots of fascinating studies about it, but the biggest takeaways is:

1. humans like attractive people. Attractive people are deemed to be perceived more trustworthy and as leaders.
2. attractive people are more confident and better socially which is largely related to attractive people are around more people and therefore get to "practice" being social more often.

Of course you also have the paradigm that attraction is highly correlated with wealth as wealth can buy fitness and good food which most attraction is honestly body related as many human faces are attractive once fully developed.

Being fit also portrays being responsible, disciplined, committed, etc. This portion is honestly unfair though as weight is heavily dependent on genetics.

I would say the league right now has a great mix of fat old coaches (Arians, Ried) and young attractive, fit coaches.

Oh and then there is the POS skater boy Kyle Shannahan.
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could we get some moderation in here to get rid of conspiracy theory's, some in here are trying to have a adult conversation.
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