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Does anyone know how much Rizzi signed for in New Orleans?
The actual rumor, spoken by Andy Herman this morning, is that Darrin Rizzi came to GB for an interview but asked for an outlandish amount because he ultimately didn't want to coach and live in cold weather so would only accept the job at above market value.
Rumor is Rizzi asked for $1.5 million according to the AcmePacking company. I have no idea how they got that information and I would question the validity of it.
It is believed Rizzi’s price was high, so a team would have to make a considerable investment to lure him. It’s unclear where Rizzi will land, but apparently another team was more attractive to him or made a better offer than the Packers.
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Does anyone know how much Rizzi signed for in New Orleans?
The actual rumor, spoken by Andy Herman this morning, is that Darrin Rizzi came to GB for an interview but asked for an outlandish amount because he ultimately didn't want to coach and live in cold weather so would only accept the job at above market value.
Rumor is Rizzi asked for $1.5 million according to the AcmePacking company. I have no idea how they got that information and I would question the validity of it.
But that was said this morning.
I don't know, but we should all pretend like we know and unjustly give a reputation to the Packers front office off it.
Does anyone know how much Rizzi signed for in New Orleans?
The actual rumor, spoken by Andy Herman this morning, is that Darrin Rizzi came to GB for an interview but asked for an outlandish amount because he ultimately didn't want to coach and live in cold weather so would only accept the job at above market value.
Rumor is Rizzi asked for $1.5 million according to the AcmePacking company. I have no idea how they got that information and I would question the validity of it.
But that was said this morning.
I don't know, but we should all pretend like we know and unjustly give a reputation to the Packers front office off it.
In fact, can someone just be insulted by it? I feel it can't be more than a rumor unless someone is insulted.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Also, with my time living in Cincy and hanging around my wife's co-residents and attending doctors, I can absolutely state that a large portion of the high income earning population (people who have options) absolutely will say "no" to upper states because of cold weather. I couldn't honestly believe how much people hate living up north if they can avoid it. Especially high earning people.
For us, we are using it to our advantage because we got a job in a place that is going to make us a lot more money since supply of workers is low; however, I have found people easily will take pay cuts to live no further north than Kansas City/Cincinnati line.
It is real. People do not want to live in po-dunk cold places and will give up money to do so.
Does anyone know how much Rizzi signed for in New Orleans?
The actual rumor, spoken by Andy Herman this morning, is that Darrin Rizzi came to GB for an interview but asked for an outlandish amount because he ultimately didn't want to coach and live in cold weather so would only accept the job at above market value.
Rumor is Rizzi asked for $1.5 million according to the AcmePacking company. I have no idea how they got that information and I would question the validity of it.
Also, with my time living in Cincy and hanging around my wife's co-residents and attending doctors, I can absolutely state that a large portion of the high income earning population (people who have options) absolutely will say "no" to upper states because of cold weather. I couldn't honestly believe how much people hate living up north if they can avoid it. Especially high earning people.
For us, we are using it to our advantage because we got a job in a place that is going to make us a lot more money since supply of workers is low; however, I have found people easily will take pay cuts to live no further north than Kansas City/Cincinnati line.
It is real. People do not want to live in po-dunk cold places and will give up money to do so.
lol there are thousands of doctors offices across the country. There are 32 NFL teams. If a coach is so well respected that he has multiple suitors, im sure location and weather can become very important factors. For a coach that does not have options, im sure he is happy to come coach in the cold. But if he asked for above market value because he doesnt like GB or for whatever reason, sometimes you pay the premium to bring in someone who will fix the problem. Just like a cold weather state may have to overpay a doctor to come and live in the cold.
We overpaid the Smiths and Amos...not in terms of production, but in terms of what other teams offered them. They said so themselves, all three of those guys also helped fix a problem. If Rizzi wanted over market value, maybe we should have paid him.
Also, with my time living in Cincy and hanging around my wife's co-residents and attending doctors, I can absolutely state that a large portion of the high income earning population (people who have options) absolutely will say "no" to upper states because of cold weather. I couldn't honestly believe how much people hate living up north if they can avoid it. Especially high earning people.
For us, we are using it to our advantage because we got a job in a place that is going to make us a lot more money since supply of workers is low; however, I have found people easily will take pay cuts to live no further north than Kansas City/Cincinnati line.
It is real. People do not want to live in po-dunk cold places and will give up money to do so.
lol there are thousands of doctors offices across the country. There are 32 NFL teams. If a coach is so well respected that he has multiple suitors, im sure location and weather can become very important factors. For a coach that does not have options, im sure he is happy to come coach in the cold. But if he asked for above market value because he doesnt like GB or for whatever reason, sometimes you pay the premium to bring in someone who will fix the problem. Just like a cold weather state may have to overpay a doctor to come and live in the cold.
We overpaid the Smiths and Amos...not in terms of production, but in terms of what other teams offered them. They said so themselves, all three of those guys also helped fix a problem. If Rizzi wanted over market value, maybe we should have paid him.
Hindsight DrJ it's not "should have we..." it's "we absolutely should have"
that's the beauty of hindsight. And I hope they learned their lesson from it. When you are Title Town and your organization only exists to win championships and exist (not make money for the owner)....yes. You need to open the coughers so you are the desired place to work in the league.
And the Packers have done it before. We have made huuuuge contract offers to coaches. We made Dom Capers the highest paid DC by a long shot after 2010 to make sure he wouldn't go elsewhere to be a HC again. But with hindsight, we can now say that was a bad idea. Again, hindsight is a really nice tool to have.
I have a hard time accepting the Packers suck at special teams because we don't have it as a priority.
We turnover coaches. We keep bottom roster guys, who are hated by fans (Jarrett Bush) solely for their STs prowess. We made Crosby one of the highest paid kickers in the league forever. We spent significant 2018 draft resources on long snapper and punter which got so much flack from fans, "you can't draft STs!!!!!" We traded for a great punter we all got excited about who ended up sucking in the cold elements anyways.
It's not lack of trying. It's just about sucking.
Look at MN. They SUCK at getting a good Oline. They use draft capital. FA capital. etc. etc. And their result is always a below average Oline. Meanwhile we plug in 3rd day draft picks and UDFAs and outperform their 1st rounders.
Teams just have identities and it sometimes requires a miracle to break that. I would like to target pure speed guys late in the draft (as a gunner) and I wouldn't mind spending a 3rd round pick on a great returner this year as I think those are really good ways to get STs going.
I know Aaron Rodgers hated Jeff Janis. But I liked him and thought he was the best thing to happen to our STs in the 2010's. I liked the drafting of McDuffie last year. Hopefully he becomes an anchor to build on.
Then why did we just promote the understudy of the lousy previous ST coordinator? What did they think was gonna change? Sadly the unit got even worse.
I have a hard time accepting the Packers suck at special teams because we don't have it as a priority.
We turnover coaches. We keep bottom roster guys, who are hated by fans (Jarrett Bush) solely for their STs prowess. We made Crosby one of the highest paid kickers in the league forever. We spent significant 2018 draft resources on long snapper and punter which got so much flack from fans, "you can't draft STs!!!!!" We traded for a great punter we all got excited about who ended up sucking in the cold elements anyways.
It's not lack of trying. It's just about sucking.
Look at MN. They SUCK at getting a good Oline. They use draft capital. FA capital. etc. etc. And their result is always a below average Oline. Meanwhile we plug in 3rd day draft picks and UDFAs and outperform their 1st rounders.
Teams just have identities and it sometimes requires a miracle to break that. I would like to target pure speed guys late in the draft (as a gunner) and I wouldn't mind spending a 3rd round pick on a great returner this year as I think those are really good ways to get STs going.
I know Aaron Rodgers hated Jeff Janis. But I liked him and thought he was the best thing to happen to our STs in the 2010's. I liked the drafting of McDuffie last year. Hopefully he becomes an anchor to build on.
we have treated ST's the way we have treated the ILB position, our Idea for years as a fix was to spend mid, to late round picks there or even less then that hoping to find a diamond amongst all the rubble, we lucked out with Campbell this year, but have not been able to do the same with ST's.
every employer I've ever known that gives a half as s try to fix a business issue fails until they take fixing that issue seriously, same problem concerning our ST's and obviously ILB, unless we keep or replace Campbell with someone as good teams will have success passing short center against us again.
So beyond cliche speak, which I really tried to get beyond and actually look at what we have done, what are you are you suggesting here?
Every team spends mid round picks on STs. The teams that "go all in" on STs are spending 5th rounders on kickers and punters and they still get blasted by fans.
The only thing we haven't done is spend a premium pick on a returner. ...except we did. Amari Rodgers with a trade up in the 3rd.
I don't buy that we haven't spent resources on STs or made it a priority. It's just the funds we have spent on it have sucked.
This isn't about the players, it's about the ST coordinators and assistants.
I have a hard time accepting the Packers suck at special teams because we don't have it as a priority.
We turnover coaches. We keep bottom roster guys, who are hated by fans (Jarrett Bush) solely for their STs prowess. We made Crosby one of the highest paid kickers in the league forever. We spent significant 2018 draft resources on long snapper and punter which got so much flack from fans, "you can't draft STs!!!!!" We traded for a great punter we all got excited about who ended up sucking in the cold elements anyways.
It's not lack of trying. It's just about sucking.
Look at MN. They SUCK at getting a good Oline. They use draft capital. FA capital. etc. etc. And their result is always a below average Oline. Meanwhile we plug in 3rd day draft picks and UDFAs and outperform their 1st rounders.
Teams just have identities and it sometimes requires a miracle to break that. I would like to target pure speed guys late in the draft (as a gunner) and I wouldn't mind spending a 3rd round pick on a great returner this year as I think those are really good ways to get STs going.
I know Aaron Rodgers hated Jeff Janis. But I liked him and thought he was the best thing to happen to our STs in the 2010's. I liked the drafting of McDuffie last year. Hopefully he becomes an anchor to build on.
Then why did we just promote the understudy of the lousy previous ST coordinator? What did they think was gonna change? Sadly the unit got even worse.
This gets way too much attention. We have hired internals and we have hired externals over the years. They all sucked.
One didn't suck more than the other (well they did. This was the worst we have ever seen). But again this is all hindsight. Hiring externally because the grass is greener is not a perfect answer. Sometimes it might be, but it has just as much of a chance at success for failure.
We can just simply say at this point MLF has gotten the coaching decision at STs wrong. Any opinions beyond that by people who aren't there, who don't know football, who haven't heard Drayton talk, etc. is just kind of silly.
I have hired people I thought would be great and they sucked. I have hired people I thought would suck and they were great. The one thing I will say can be pointed at MLF is he should have done drastic changes after the Bears game at the latest. By that point you could tell we had a problem. A major problem.
we have treated ST's the way we have treated the ILB position, our Idea for years as a fix was to spend mid, to late round picks there or even less then that hoping to find a diamond amongst all the rubble, we lucked out with Campbell this year, but have not been able to do the same with ST's.
every employer I've ever known that gives a half as s try to fix a business issue fails until they take fixing that issue seriously, same problem concerning our ST's and obviously ILB, unless we keep or replace Campbell with someone as good teams will have success passing short center against us again.
So beyond cliche speak, which I really tried to get beyond and actually look at what we have done, what are you are you suggesting here?
Every team spends mid round picks on STs. The teams that "go all in" on STs are spending 5th rounders on kickers and punters and they still get blasted by fans.
The only thing we haven't done is spend a premium pick on a returner. ...except we did. Amari Rodgers with a trade up in the 3rd.
I don't buy that we haven't spent resources on STs or made it a priority. It's just the funds we have spent on it have sucked.
This isn't about the players, it's about the ST coordinators and assistants.
So basically where we stand is we can't hire STs Coordinators well and this has spanned multiple GMs, multiple Presidents, and multiple HC's.
That's really all we know at this point.
We know it's a problem but that's about it. It makes us feel good if the solution is so easy by "just spend more money" or "spend more draft capital", etc. but we have done that before.
It's not that we haven't tried. It's that we have tried and we suck every time we try.
I have a hard time accepting the Packers suck at special teams because we don't have it as a priority.
We turnover coaches. We keep bottom roster guys, who are hated by fans (Jarrett Bush) solely for their STs prowess. We made Crosby one of the highest paid kickers in the league forever. We spent significant 2018 draft resources on long snapper and punter which got so much flack from fans, "you can't draft STs!!!!!" We traded for a great punter we all got excited about who ended up sucking in the cold elements anyways.
It's not lack of trying. It's just about sucking.
Look at MN. They SUCK at getting a good Oline. They use draft capital. FA capital. etc. etc. And their result is always a below average Oline. Meanwhile we plug in 3rd day draft picks and UDFAs and outperform their 1st rounders.
Teams just have identities and it sometimes requires a miracle to break that. I would like to target pure speed guys late in the draft (as a gunner) and I wouldn't mind spending a 3rd round pick on a great returner this year as I think those are really good ways to get STs going.
I know Aaron Rodgers hated Jeff Janis. But I liked him and thought he was the best thing to happen to our STs in the 2010's. I liked the drafting of McDuffie last year. Hopefully he becomes an anchor to build on.
Then why did we just promote the understudy of the lousy previous ST coordinator? What did they think was gonna change? Sadly the unit got even worse.
This gets way too much attention. We have hired internals and we have hired externals over the years. They all sucked.
One didn't suck more than the other (well they did. This was the worst we have ever seen). But again this is all hindsight. Hiring externally because the grass is greener is not a perfect answer. Sometimes it might be, but it has just as much of a chance at success for failure.
We can just simply say at this point MLF has gotten the coaching decision at STs wrong. Any opinions beyond that by people who aren't there, who don't know football, who haven't heard Drayton talk, etc. is just kind of silly.
I have hired people I thought would be great and they sucked. I have hired people I thought would suck and they were great. The one thing I will say can be pointed at MLF is he should have done drastic changes after the Bears game at the latest. By that point you could tell we had a problem. A major problem.
But it SHOULD get attention. There is no excuse to have an historically crappy ST with this roster. Why did MLF not address this mess months ago?
The stupid **** we saw from this bunch all season long was cringe worthy and IMO is the main reason why our season imploded 2 weeks ago.
We know it's a problem but that's about it. It makes us feel good if the solution is so easy by "just spend more money" or "spend more draft capital", etc. but we have done that before.
It's not that we haven't tried. It's that we have tried and we suck every time we try.
Yep, not sure if its a self fulfilling prophesy or some kind of greater cultural belief, but it has gotten like the QB situation in Chicago.
We have tried and we have tried a lot. We've played more vets, kept guys on rosters, gotten established former college HC's, promoted from within, over drafted the positions, over paid for players, haven't found the magic wand yet.
I think the performance was simply inexcusable for the year on the whole and I think Drayton should be let go. But I'm not gunna bang my head against the wall either if we keep him. I actually liked him a lot watching him at practice, high energy, different drills, seemed like high attention to little details.
I am going to put a lot of weight on the shoulders of LaFleur going forward though, whether he keeps Drayton or not. I don't know if its a higher emphasis in game on coordinating guys, higher priority in practice/meeting rooms. Working more directly himself with the units, things I am probably not even aware that take place during game. But yeah, this is going to be like 80% on LaFleur to fix, the remainder on ST Coordinator and personnel.
Then why did we just promote the understudy of the lousy previous ST coordinator? What did they think was gonna change? Sadly the unit got even worse.
This gets way too much attention. We have hired internals and we have hired externals over the years. They all sucked.
One didn't suck more than the other (well they did. This was the worst we have ever seen). But again this is all hindsight. Hiring externally because the grass is greener is not a perfect answer. Sometimes it might be, but it has just as much of a chance at success for failure.
We can just simply say at this point MLF has gotten the coaching decision at STs wrong. Any opinions beyond that by people who aren't there, who don't know football, who haven't heard Drayton talk, etc. is just kind of silly.
I have hired people I thought would be great and they sucked. I have hired people I thought would suck and they were great. The one thing I will say can be pointed at MLF is he should have done drastic changes after the Bears game at the latest. By that point you could tell we had a problem. A major problem.
But it SHOULD get attention. There is no excuse to have an historically crappy ST with this roster. Why did MLF not address this mess months ago?
The stupid **** we saw from this bunch all season long was cringe worthy and IMO is the main reason why our season imploded 2 weeks ago.
What I am saying is the "hiring internally was obviously a bad decision" is getting too much attention. That's just people chasing easy answers.
Where you are going with your next part I absolutely agreed and said as much in my post. MLF should have made moves after the Chicago game at the latest. I said as much at that time and I still stand by it now. I felt it was obvious a move needed to be made because I felt, "how much worse could it get?" I was also for sitting Crosby and promoting Molsen.
MLF not making decisions mid-season is on him. Not hiring externally last offseason for the sake of hiring externally....harder for me to get behind when you have a data set of 1.
We know it's a problem but that's about it. It makes us feel good if the solution is so easy by "just spend more money" or "spend more draft capital", etc. but we have done that before.
It's not that we haven't tried. It's that we have tried and we suck every time we try.
Yep, not sure if its a self fulfilling prophesy or some kind of greater cultural belief, but it has gotten like the QB situation in Chicago.
We have tried and we have tried a lot. We've played more vets, kept guys on rosters, gotten established former college HC's, promoted from within, over drafted the positions, over paid for players, haven't found the magic wand yet.
I think the performance was simply inexcusable for the year on the whole and I think Drayton should be let go. But I'm not gunna bang my head against the wall either if we keep him. I actually liked him a lot watching him at practice, high energy, different drills, seemed like high attention to little details.
I am going to put a lot of weight on the shoulders of LaFleur going forward though, whether he keeps Drayton or not. I don't know if its a higher emphasis in game on coordinating guys, higher priority in practice/meeting rooms. Working more directly himself with the units, things I am probably not even aware that take place during game. But yeah, this is going to be like 80% on LaFleur to fix, the remainder on ST Coordinator and personnel.
So beyond cliche speak, which I really tried to get beyond and actually look at what we have done, what are you are you suggesting here?
Every team spends mid round picks on STs. The teams that "go all in" on STs are spending 5th rounders on kickers and punters and they still get blasted by fans.
The only thing we haven't done is spend a premium pick on a returner. ...except we did. Amari Rodgers with a trade up in the 3rd.
I don't buy that we haven't spent resources on STs or made it a priority. It's just the funds we have spent on it have sucked.
This isn't about the players, it's about the ST coordinators and assistants.
So basically where we stand is we can't hire STs Coordinators well and this has spanned multiple GMs, multiple Presidents, and multiple HC's.
That's really all we know at this point.
We know it's a problem but that's about it. It makes us feel good if the solution is so easy by "just spend more money" or "spend more draft capital", etc. but we have done that before.
It's not that we haven't tried. It's that we have tried and we suck every time we try.
excuses, excuses, excuses, has any that we hired had prior success? by that I mean a top 5 or 10 ranking as a ST's cord? if not, then we are aiming low with these cord hires, Capers was paid because he had prior success.
I remember McCarthy and his promote from within mantality of giving people positional jobs that had never done that work prior, obviously coaches have to start somewhere, but doing so has cost us.
has any that we hired had prior success? by that I mean a top 5 or 10 ranking as a ST's cord? if not, then we are aiming low with these cord hires
How about you look it up.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
has any that we hired had prior success? by that I mean a top 5 or 10 ranking as a ST's cord? if not, then we are aiming low with these cord hires
How about you look it up.
you guys are the ones that are arguing that we have done everything the way it's suppose to be done and it's simply a matter of bad luck for our failures, and that buying bargain basement assistants isn't the problem.
has any that we hired had prior success? by that I mean a top 5 or 10 ranking as a ST's cord? if not, then we are aiming low with these cord hires
How about you look it up.
you guys are the ones that are arguing that we have done everything the way it's suppose to be done and it's simply a matter of bad luck for our failures, and that buying bargain basement assistants isn't the problem.
I tend to think it is, prove me wrong.
No, "us guys" are not arguing that, not at all, actually.
Saying we have constantly gone bargain basement, just is not true. Mike Stock and Ron Zook were definitely not bargain basement.
You asked a question, how about you answer it yourself and go look it up. Do some leg work.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
