Don't know that they've skimped, but curious about the evidence they didn't. What's that?
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The thing we do know is we made Dom Capers the highest paid DC I believe after the 2010 season to make sure he never left as a head coach somwhere. I think we threw over $2.5 million at him which at the time was bonkers for a coordinator. We also made MM the highest paid HC on his extension.Half Empty wrote: ↑05 Feb 2022 14:44Don't know that they've skimped, but curious about the evidence they didn't. What's that?
Even Pettine I think we threw quite a bit of money at since was used to HC money.
As for OC's, I can't really comment on that. My guess is we threw a lot of money at them because our OC's kept getting plucked from 2010 - 2015. After that the spending I believe started to slow down due to the slowdown in success.
The troubling news about the Rizzi thing is the Saints gave him what he asked for. Which means his ask wasn't "out of this world"
I don't understand being cheap in terms of coaches. Their compensation as a % of football operations is already really small and the money has no impact on the cap. For an organization like the Packers, I think winning is far more important for ROI of an organization than saving $250k to $500k a year in compensation expense.
Do we know that? Do we know that his asking price for the Saints was the same as the Packers?
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I have to hope we can trust a little bit what media says. Tom Silverstein certainly seems to suggest he is being paid the same amount in New Orleans. This is from yoop's article.
The Packers’ best chance to turn their special teams around occurred after LaFleur was named head coach and Miami’s Darren Rizzi was looking for a job. The two had a great meeting at the Packers’ facility and Rizzi liked the thought of being LaFleur’s right-hand man, someone who could not only fix the special teams but help with game management.
The Packers' front office, schooled by former GM Ted Thompson to avoid overpaying on special teams, treated talks with Rizzi as a negotiation instead of laying out the red carpet and agreeing to pay $1.5 million per year right away.
Rizzi came with the impression that the salary was agreed upon and left feeling the Packers weren’t serious. He accepted the same amount from New Orleans and over the past three years his units’ average rank has been 3.67, tops in the NFL.
Thanks, never saw that before.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Special assistant John Dunn got a big promotion to TEs coach, replacing Justin Outten who became OC for the Broncos.
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Da Bears hire Richard Hightower as their ST coordinator, apparently clearing the way for GB to hire Bisaccia.
Also, "Dick Hightower" is my new porn star name. And da Bears still suck.
Also, "Dick Hightower" is my new porn star name. And da Bears still suck.
This is really good news! Richard Hightower was with San Fran last year.
This pretty much makes Basiccia a given now. I would have chosen Chicago if I was Bisaccia. You just have more to work with there. GB's will start from scratch. New kicker. No returner. He will have his work cut out for him.
Hopefully we see the Packers signing Bisaccia in the next couple days.
course you didn't, you and others here where defending the FO as they brought shame to Lafluer, it's surprising Bisaccia even bothers to interview for the job with Lafluer after the FO took the ability to hire Rizzi away from him, this kind of stuff turns other coaches away as well.
Great news if Bisaccia comes aboard, but I'am keeping my fingers crossed till I know it's a done deal.
Yes, of course I didn't, that is why I said I didn't...Yoop wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022 12:33course you didn't, you and others here where defending the FO as they brought shame to Lafluer, it's surprising Bisaccia even bothers to interview for the job with Lafluer after the FO took the ability to hire Rizzi away from him, this kind of stuff turns other coaches away as well.
Great news if Bisaccia comes aboard, but I'am keeping my fingers crossed till I know it's a done deal.
Where is this defending the FO? "Where" simply saying that placing the label of cheap on them is unjustified. There are also reports that Rizzi put out a huge number because he didn't want coach in Green Bay. So, whatever "this kind of stuff is" is apparently not turning coaches away...Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
1.5 mil for a ST's cord is not huge, Lafluer makes 5 mil, thats ranks him in a 3 way tie for 12 highest in the league, yet he's got the best win/lost record in the league since hired, it's time for a raise, the best way to attract the best is to pay them accordingly.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022 12:42Yes, of course I didn't, that is why I said I didn't...Yoop wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022 12:33course you didn't, you and others here where defending the FO as they brought shame to Lafluer, it's surprising Bisaccia even bothers to interview for the job with Lafluer after the FO took the ability to hire Rizzi away from him, this kind of stuff turns other coaches away as well.
Great news if Bisaccia comes aboard, but I'am keeping my fingers crossed till I know it's a done deal.
Why do you always pick fights?Yoop wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022 12:33course you didn't, you and others here where defending the FO as they brought shame to Lafluer, it's surprising Bisaccia even bothers to interview for the job with Lafluer after the FO took the ability to hire Rizzi away from him, this kind of stuff turns other coaches away as well.
Great news if Bisaccia comes aboard, but I'am keeping my fingers crossed till I know it's a done deal.
This was a serious and valid question that was asked. I asked it last week too and it went unanswered. I wanted to know how much NO's paid Rizzi so we could ultimately determine if the Packers didn't want to pay fair market value. It is a reasonable question to ask instead of just jumping to the conclusion that the Packers are cheap because there is rumor that Rizzi never intended to coach for us unless we paid above market value since he valued living in the south. I asked the question because a search engine tool search didn't provide the answer. You brought in an article but never highlighted it. I read it it in detail and found the language and agreed our FO screwed up on that.
Packfn23 didn't see it because it was hidden in a lengthy article. I highlighted it for him. He said thank you.
Everything else you are saying is baseless expansion based on your own agenda. You are surprised Bisaccia even interviewed with us because of being narrow minded and trapped in your own agenda. I am only saying this because it appears your theory is wrong. Bisaccia didn't only interview with us, he is going to be working for us.
I don't know what happened with Rizzi. It seems like we seriously dropped the ball and is incredibly frustrating he came here with possible intention of working for us and left without a contract. But to expand that to saying the FO is cheap is absurd based on one data point. Up until this time, no other examples could be provided. I have asked repeatedly and nobody could provide another example. Yet the same narrative gets pushed based on one data point.
But absolutely. The Packers f*cked up on Rizzi. And now "opening the wallet" doesn't make things better for me because the past decision already cost us. But when the FO has knocked every other hire out of the park since 2018, that track record too can't be ignored.
you, 23 and others are so quick to defend the FO over any thing it causes me to act aggressive when calling you guys out, it's not so much that the Packers are cheap with coaching salaries, it's that they offer a lower wage to attract the best coaches, and imo thats a big reason our ST's rank year after year near the bottom of the league.go pak go wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022 12:59Why do you always pick fights?Yoop wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022 12:33course you didn't, you and others here where defending the FO as they brought shame to Lafluer, it's surprising Bisaccia even bothers to interview for the job with Lafluer after the FO took the ability to hire Rizzi away from him, this kind of stuff turns other coaches away as well.
Great news if Bisaccia comes aboard, but I'am keeping my fingers crossed till I know it's a done deal.
This was a serious and valid question that was asked. I asked it last week too and it went unanswered. I wanted to know how much NO's paid Rizzi so we could ultimately determine if the Packers didn't want to pay fair market value. It is a reasonable question to ask instead of just jumping to the conclusion that the Packers are cheap because there is rumor that Rizzi never intended to coach for us unless we paid above market value since he valued living in the south. I asked the question because a search engine tool search didn't provide the answer. You brought in an article but never highlighted it. I read it it in detail and found the language and agreed our FO screwed up on that.
Packfn23 didn't see it because it was hidden in a lengthy article. I highlighted it for him. He said thank you.
Everything else you are saying is baseless expansion based on your own agenda. You are surprised Bisaccia even interviewed with us because of being narrow minded and trapped in your own agenda. I am only saying this because it appears your theory is wrong. Bisaccia didn't only interview with us, he is going to be working for us.
I don't know what happened with Rizzi. It seems like we seriously dropped the ball and is incredibly frustrating he came here with possible intention of working for us and left without a contract. But to expand that to saying the FO is cheap is absurd based on one data point. Up until this time, no other examples could be provided. I have asked repeatedly and nobody could provide another example. Yet the same narrative gets pushed based on one data point.
But absolutely. The Packers f*cked up on Rizzi. And now "opening the wallet" doesn't make things better for me because the past decision already cost us. But when the FO has knocked every other hire out of the park since 2018, that track record too can't be ignored.
while HC salaries are available, cords and assistant coaching salaries are like a government secret, at least I can't find them, Rizzi's rejected offer was the only info I could find, Silversteins article that eventually the Packers upped the offer to 1.5 reminds me of Ted low offers on trades for players, so it seems common practice that our salary offers tend to be overtly frugal, as I said Lafluer is tied for 12 highest paid HC salary, as a rookie HC that seems a fair price, however when looking at what he's accomplished it's not.
there where other articles which I can't find now that reported Lafluer missed out on several other coaching candidates he wanted, makes me wonder if salary was a issue with those as well, one I believe was a OL coach
while most of this stuff is private info, players and coaches around the league can garner this info, reputations stick, we here regularly that players don't want to come here, that might also be true for some coaches, and part of the reason is they can make more money else where, plus GB is a small town with freezing temperatures, so less money becomes the deterrent, just spiffing.
I appreciate your post yoop.
I will say us "FO defenders" actually are fine with criticizing the FO when it is warranted. In 2019 I criticized the FO deeply for the Rizzi thing. I did it again after we indeed found that the Saints paid Rizzi what he asked.
When the evidence is there, we have no problem criticizing moves.
What we don't do or try to not do however is make rash judgements on things we don't have information about. Attacking the FO is the most popular thing for a sports fan to do. It's easy to do because they are not in the spotlight and it's an easy target.
That sort of stuff I can't get on board. "just blaming to blame"
The notion that MLF couldn't hire other guys just doesn't make sense outside the one example. We knew his only other contingent was pretty much "Pettine stays"
Otherwise, the defensive staff hired Mike Smith who was a big name in KC coming off their pass rush seasons, Jerry Grey a huge name, LUke Getsy - a guy Rodgers adored, Nathaniel Hackett, etc.
The biggest "worry hire" I remember outside of Rizzi was Stenavich taking over Campen. And I think that turned out okay.
And coaching salary isn't necessarily private. It's more about nobody cares to report what a positional coach or STs coordinator makes.
Similar to people not really caring what roster spot #49 salary makes.
I will say us "FO defenders" actually are fine with criticizing the FO when it is warranted. In 2019 I criticized the FO deeply for the Rizzi thing. I did it again after we indeed found that the Saints paid Rizzi what he asked.
When the evidence is there, we have no problem criticizing moves.
What we don't do or try to not do however is make rash judgements on things we don't have information about. Attacking the FO is the most popular thing for a sports fan to do. It's easy to do because they are not in the spotlight and it's an easy target.
That sort of stuff I can't get on board. "just blaming to blame"
The notion that MLF couldn't hire other guys just doesn't make sense outside the one example. We knew his only other contingent was pretty much "Pettine stays"
Otherwise, the defensive staff hired Mike Smith who was a big name in KC coming off their pass rush seasons, Jerry Grey a huge name, LUke Getsy - a guy Rodgers adored, Nathaniel Hackett, etc.
The biggest "worry hire" I remember outside of Rizzi was Stenavich taking over Campen. And I think that turned out okay.
And coaching salary isn't necessarily private. It's more about nobody cares to report what a positional coach or STs coordinator makes.
Similar to people not really caring what roster spot #49 salary makes.