Rodgers future

[Drj820]

Whoever said it....telling someone “come on but we won’t use ya or make ya a priority” is NOT doing all you can do to get someone. It was reported McVay and Stafford spent time with Odell showing him the offense and concepts they world do to get him involved. This was when Robert Woods was healthy,

Now thats showing someone you want them in the building!

[bud fox]

Rodgers is 33.5m and yes he did justify his contract because he won the MVP

I understand your nit-picky technicality about both salary and MVP awards being based on regular season and play-offs and Superbowls don't count for either. But as a football fan, they count for me.

The team game the one in which special teams that the QB has no part of scored more than 50% of the winning teams points? The fact is people can't just understand that special teams was so vital in that game in part due to extreme weather and that the packers org screwed up in not fixing it.

I think we all understand that point. What we don't understand is your attitude of "you're the MVP, your offense scored 10 points that might have been 13, you did your job."

Rodgers missed on a play or two but he didn't lose the packers the game. He didn't win them the game obviously but I put that in part to the weather. That would explain why the 49ers and packers were so far below season average in offense.

[Drj820]

It was said that Odell went to rams cause Packers didn't have a plan for him outside of helping when possible.

Yes. That is what was reported. Rodgers and Lafluer were the two main people who were reported to talk to Odell and both said they were honest and said they would love to have him but not in a prominent role because of their strong running attack and Adams, Cobb and MVS ahead in the lineup.

Rodgers was on board with that too.

Have you got anything showing Rodgers indicating he said that?

I remember Rodgers saying he had conversation with him directly but Odell also had separate convos with the packers he wasn't involved in. I only ever saw the reference to not really using him based on the convos packers had with him.

Who cares what Rodgers said or thinks. A full court press from the org to help bolster the WR Corp with more talent for the playoff stretch could have been the move of just the FO. The effort could have paid off too, sadly we will never know.

Odell’s stat line against the niners functioning as the WR2: 9 catches 113 yards.

Packers WR2 vs the Niners: 1 catch, 6 yards.

A little more wine n dine, a little more effort may have helped that stat line a bit!

[bud fox]

Yes. That is what was reported. Rodgers and Lafluer were the two main people who were reported to talk to Odell and both said they were honest and said they would love to have him but not in a prominent role because of their strong running attack and Adams, Cobb and MVS ahead in the lineup.

Rodgers was on board with that too.

Have you got anything showing Rodgers indicating he said that?

I remember Rodgers saying he had conversation with him directly but Odell also had separate convos with the packers he wasn't involved in. I only ever saw the reference to not really using him based on the convos packers had with him.

Who cares what Rodgers said or thinks. A full court press from the org to help bolster the WR Corp with more talent for the playoff stretch could have been the move of just the FO. The effort could have paid off too, sadly we will never know.

Odell’s stat line against the niners functioning as the WR2: 9 catches 113 yards.

Packers WR2 vs the Niners: 1 catch, 6 yards.

A little more wine n dine, a little more effort may have helped that stat line a bit!

Yeah I checked Odell's stats following that game and was disappointed - also to not be able to promise him more is crazy considering what we have behind Davante.

[Drj820]

Have you got anything showing Rodgers indicating he said that?

I remember Rodgers saying he had conversation with him directly but Odell also had separate convos with the packers he wasn't involved in. I only ever saw the reference to not really using him based on the convos packers had with him.

Who cares what Rodgers said or thinks. A full court press from the org to help bolster the WR Corp with more talent for the playoff stretch could have been the move of just the FO. The effort could have paid off too, sadly we will never know.

Odell’s stat line against the niners functioning as the WR2: 9 catches 113 yards.

Packers WR2 vs the Niners: 1 catch, 6 yards.

A little more wine n dine, a little more effort may have helped that stat line a bit!

Yeah I checked Odell's stats following that game and was disappointed - also to not be able to promise him more is crazy considering what we have behind Davante.

Telling Odell he can get behind Cobb who was on IR at the time and MVS who basically runs one route consistently is insane lol

[go pak go]

Who cares what Rodgers said or thinks. A full court press from the org to help bolster the WR Corp with more talent for the playoff stretch could have been the move of just the FO. The effort could have paid off too, sadly we will never know.

Odell’s stat line against the niners functioning as the WR2: 9 catches 113 yards.

Packers WR2 vs the Niners: 1 catch, 6 yards.

A little more wine n dine, a little more effort may have helped that stat line a bit!

Yeah I checked Odell's stats following that game and was disappointed - also to not be able to promise him more is crazy considering what we have behind Davante.

Telling Odell he can get behind Cobb who was on IR at the time and MVS who basically runs one route consistently is insane lol

I agree. But that's what Troy Aikman said during the Packers Rams game. And that information comes out during the weekly TV game prep.

The Rams were able to want him more and showed they wanted him more. The Packers couldn't pay him what the Rams paid him this year. They could play some void year games if they truly wanted to. But Troy said during the game that MLF and Rodgers talked to him. Said they would love to have him. But that's about it.

If Rodgers banged the table hard enough or felt that Beckham could really be swayed, they would have gone after him harder. But Rodgers didn't. He seemed pretty lax about it all that week.

[bud fox]

Yeah I checked Odell's stats following that game and was disappointed - also to not be able to promise him more is crazy considering what we have behind Davante.

Telling Odell he can get behind Cobb who was on IR at the time and MVS who basically runs one route consistently is insane lol

I agree. But that's what Troy Aikman said during the Packers Rams game. And that information comes out during the weekly TV game prep.

The Rams were able to want him more and showed they wanted him more. The Packers couldn't pay him what the Rams paid him this year. They could play some void year games if they truly wanted to. But Troy said during the game that MLF and Rodgers talked to him. Said they would love to have him. But that's about it.

If Rodgers banged the table hard enough or felt that Beckham could really be swayed, they would have gone after him harder. But Rodgers didn't. He seemed pretty lax about it all that week.

Rodgers fault - I wonder if Stafford reached out to him. Odell did say he loves Rodgers and Adams but probably Rodgers fault.

Odell himself said the Rams said they needed him and the packers said they would love to have him.

Odell needs to get paid next year of course he is choosing the Rams who promise to feature him.

[go pak go]

Telling Odell he can get behind Cobb who was on IR at the time and MVS who basically runs one route consistently is insane lol

I agree. But that's what Troy Aikman said during the Packers Rams game. And that information comes out during the weekly TV game prep.

The Rams were able to want him more and showed they wanted him more. The Packers couldn't pay him what the Rams paid him this year. They could play some void year games if they truly wanted to. But Troy said during the game that MLF and Rodgers talked to him. Said they would love to have him. But that's about it.

If Rodgers banged the table hard enough or felt that Beckham could really be swayed, they would have gone after him harder. But Rodgers didn't. He seemed pretty lax about it all that week.

Rodgers fault - I wonder if Stafford reached out to him. Odell did say he loves Rodgers and Adams but probably Rodgers fault.

Odell himself said the Rams said they needed him and the packers said they would love to have him.

Odell needs to get paid next year of course he is choosing the Rams who promise to feature him.

I mean yeah? Stafford did more than reach out.

It was reported McVay and Stafford spent time with Odell showing him the offense and concepts they world do to get him involved.

[Drj820]

Telling Odell he can get behind Cobb who was on IR at the time and MVS who basically runs one route consistently is insane lol

I agree. But that's what Troy Aikman said during the Packers Rams game. And that information comes out during the weekly TV game prep.

The Rams were able to want him more and showed they wanted him more. The Packers couldn't pay him what the Rams paid him this year. They could play some void year games if they truly wanted to. But Troy said during the game that MLF and Rodgers talked to him. Said they would love to have him. But that's about it.

If Rodgers banged the table hard enough or felt that Beckham could really be swayed, they would have gone after him harder. But Rodgers didn't. He seemed pretty lax about it all that week.

Rodgers fault - I wonder if Stafford reached out to him. Odell did say he loves Rodgers and Adams but probably Rodgers fault.

Odell himself said the Rams said they needed him and the packers said they would love to have him.

Odell needs to get paid next year of course he is choosing the Rams who promise to feature him.

One team sat down with him and shared how they would get him involved and how they needed him

One team told him he would be 4th fiddle behind a guy on IR.

No surprise he chose the team that did some actual recruiting.

I’m sure adams and Rodgers both would have loved to have him

[Labrev]

[Labrev]

This idea that we need to upgrade WR2 with guys like Odell Beckham, Justin Jefferson, or whoever our fans are clamoring for... disregards the reality that Rodgers simply does not look for anyone but his "go-to guy" the vast majority of the time.

So like, sure, maybe if WR2 was someone more explosive than Lazard, then those catches might result in more yardage than otherwise, but I have seen enough of how Rodgers plays to greatly doubt that he would target WR2 appreciably more enough to materially change anything. No, he would just lock onto Adams or whoever the WR1 is (like always).

In 2014, he had prime Cobb and a rookie Adams, then-solid WR3, to go with WR1 Jordy... and yet, that was still not enough for him. I'm not against this general exercise of: "If we had/done ___, we would have won" (*ahem* ST-COORD) but sorry, WR2 just ain't the issue.


That throw to double-covered Adams sums it up. If he is going to miss WIDE open guys -- indeed, literally every other eligible receiver -- to force-feed his WR1... what's even the point of a JJ, OBJ, or whoever else?

[bud fox]

This idea that we need to upgrade WR2 with guys like Odell Beckham, Justin Jefferson, or whoever our fans are clamoring for... disregards the reality that Rodgers simply does not look for anyone but his "go-to guy" the vast majority of the time.

So like, sure, maybe if WR2 was someone more explosive than Lazard, then those catches might result in more yardage than otherwise, but I have seen enough of how Rodgers plays to greatly doubt that he would target WR2 appreciably more enough to materially change anything. No, he would just lock onto Adams or whoever the WR1 is (like always).

In 2014, he had prime Cobb and a rookie Adams, then-solid WR3, to go with WR1 Jordy... and yet, that was still not enough for him. I'm not against this general exercise of: "If we had/done ___, we would have won" (*ahem* ST-COORD) but sorry, WR2 just ain't the issue.


That throw to double-covered Adams sums it up. If he is going to miss WIDE open guys -- indeed, literally every other eligible receiver -- to force-feed his WR1... what's even the point of a JJ, OBJ, or whoever else?

Completely inaccurate. Go back to when we had jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb and Finley.

Our receivers are garbage outside of Adams.

[Drj820]

Yeah, saying because Rodgers doesn’t look to Lazard that he wouldn’t look to Justin Jefferson or OBJ is a bridge too far for me haha

[Labrev]

Completely inaccurate. Go back to when we had jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb and Finley.

Our receivers are garbage outside of Adams.

And how did that end?

It was idiotic to invest that much into the receiver position; it neglected the defense and they didn't have the personnel to hold up. One bad day by the receivers and it all fell apart, spectacularly. The team that beat us even mocked the belt.

And actually yes, even when Rodgers had all those targets, he STILL had a bad habit of locking onto his "go-to" guy. Jermichael Finley was the original example of this; Finley was a matchup nightmare and Rodgers fell in love.


I also notice you ignored 2014, in which, again, Rodgers had Prime Cobb to throw to (he was phenomenal that year) plus Adams who was solid as a rookie that year. Heck, even Lacy was a pretty good receiver out of the backfield.

[Labrev]

Yeah, saying because Rodgers doesn’t look to Lazard that he wouldn’t look to Justin Jefferson or OBJ is a bridge too far for me haha

I get that you think Lazard is a scrub, but that's your opinion, not Rodgers's, and all observable evidence shows that Rodgers thinks Lazard is a good receiver. Rodgers said recently that the two of them got pretty close over this season because they were the only unvaccinated players on the team, and that showed up on-field during the last half of the season. Rodgers looked Lazard's way a lot, and Lazard rewarded that trust. He was playing good football.

And frankly, if the idea is that Rodgers needs his WR2 to be an "All Pro"-caliber to stop him from locking onto his primary reads (when literally every other receiver is WIDE open), then he does not deserve any All-Pro receivers. And you may as well just roll with Love from here on out, because that's how bad QBs play.

[Labrev]

We have also seen Rodgers neglect other receiving options when they are playing well; MVS was *on fire* in the NFCCG but that did not make Rodgers look his way more, he just kept throwing to a double-covered Adams.

Let's also not forget that Tonyan had established himself as a particularly effective red-zone target, but Rodgers still tried to force every red-zone pass to Adams who was clearly drawing extra attention.

And when the same thing was happening at the beginning of this year, Rodgers concluded they just had to find a way to overcome it (rather than, you know, throw to whoever is OPEN as a result of the defense keying in on Adams).

Face it, this is who Rodgers is, and no amount of other receiver talent is going to change that.

[Drj820]

Yeah, saying because Rodgers doesn’t look to Lazard that he wouldn’t look to Justin Jefferson or OBJ is a bridge too far for me haha

I get that you think Lazard is a scrub, but that's your opinion, not Rodgers's, and all observable evidence shows that Rodgers thinks Lazard is a good receiver. Rodgers said recently that the two of them got pretty close over this season because they were the only unvaccinated players on the team, and that showed up on-field during the last half of the season. Rodgers looked Lazard's way a lot, and Lazard rewarded that trust. He was playing good football.

And frankly, if the idea is that Rodgers needs his WR2 to be an "All Pro"-caliber to stop him from locking onto his primary reads (when literally every other receiver is WIDE open), then he does not deserve any All-Pro receivers. And you may as well just roll with Love from here on out, because that's how bad QBs play.

Just for accuracy, i do Ñot think Lazard is a scrub. I just think he has trouble seperating without being schemed open and he shouldn’t be a WR2...and the Justin Jefferson is worlds ahead of him in terms of talent, production, and ability.

But I do think Lazard is a good guy to have on the field and especially be on the team. I do not think he is scrub.

That would be more like ESB.

[bud fox]

Completely inaccurate. Go back to when we had jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb and Finley.

Our receivers are garbage outside of Adams.

And how did that end?

It was idiotic to invest that much into the receiver position; it neglected the defense and they didn't have the personnel to hold up. One bad day by the receivers and it all fell apart, spectacularly. The team that beat us even mocked the belt.

And actually yes, even when Rodgers had all those targets, he STILL had a bad habit of locking onto his "go-to" guy. Jermichael Finley was the original example of this; Finley was a matchup nightmare and Rodgers fell in love.


I also notice you ignored 2014, in which, again, Rodgers had Prime Cobb to throw to (he was phenomenal that year) plus Adams who was solid as a rookie that year. Heck, even Lacy was a pretty good receiver out of the backfield.

When he had Driver, Jennings, Jones, Jordy we won the superbowl. The next year with Cobb, Finley he had the greatest year of any QB.

2014 he had 2 receivers. Rookie Adams was not good. Those two receivers Cobb got 1300 yards and 12 tds and Nelson 1500 and 13 tds. He shared it between them.

[bud fox]

We have also seen Rodgers neglect other receiving options when they are playing well; MVS was *on fire* in the NFCCG but that did not make Rodgers look his way more, he just kept throwing to a double-covered Adams.

Let's also not forget that Tonyan had established himself as a particularly effective red-zone target, but Rodgers still tried to force every red-zone pass to Adams who was clearly drawing extra attention.

And when the same thing was happening at the beginning of this year, Rodgers concluded they just had to find a way to overcome it (rather than, you know, throw to whoever is OPEN as a result of the defense keying in on Adams).

Face it, this is who Rodgers is, and no amount of other receiver talent is going to change that.

How can a receiver be on fire if he is not getting the ball lol.

IS the argument really now moving to Rodgers being a bad QB? 4 time mvp, SB Winner, SB MVP, the highest QB rating single season ever, 3 of the top 5 highest seasons ever.

This forum has gone nuts.

[bud fox]

Lazard is Ruvell Martin with more targets.