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I concur with the idea that the Packers are "posturing" with the Aaron-speak. But I also think they are serious/sincere about it. They could say all of the ambiguous love-notions that they want. But once they say, "We'll make you the highest paid QB..." that is sincere.
I'm still not against bringing back Aaron. But unless they can pull off a salary cap miracle to keep the core, they can't say that their goal is to win the SB. They just won't have the tools. First, Aaron shows how he lays eggs in January. Second, will the rest of the team help get past the divisional round that it hasn't done this year? Might be. But I doubt it.
tools, we had the tools this year with 4 all pro types on the side lines, seriously Scott did it seem like we had the tools in 2010? tools is highly over rated buddy, what wins SB's are teams that get hot, jell up and don't peak out early, thats what we did in 2010, thats what the Giants did in 2011, and it's what the Pats did a half doz times, in fact I'd say that it's less then common for sure that the best or most talented teams win it all each year, we could win next year with far less talent then we had this year.
One-and-done playoff format is BRUTAL for a game known for Any Given Sunday and injuries...
For a guaranteed SB win, I have only two solutions to it:
1) Somehow build a one-year team so superior, even the backups would sweep the floor with all other playoff teams on a bad day. For that you need one to two QBs and some other premium positions filled with cheap rookie -contract home runs, as well as great value UFA recruiting.
2) Stay winning. Get into the playoffs for a chance at the lottery. Do it enough times, and every now and then your number gets pulled outta the hat. Just because we haven't been lucky lately doesn't mean we'll stay unlucky in the future.
NE didn't win all those SBs by being an unbeatable juggernaut as described in 1). Prove me wrong.
I. is almost always turned out to be fools gold, we've seen teams spend the fortunes in UFA and the draft in hopes of winning it all, and the only thing they won is years of cap hell in recovery.
2. is the best route to take, stay competitive and hope that ya jell and get hot at the right time, get a few breaks and it all comes together as it did for us in 2010, that imo is what our FO is going to try and do.
PF PPF PA PPG Points Yards Points Yards
2019 13 3 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 376 23.5 313 19.6 63 15 18 9 18
2018 6 9 1 3rd of 4 376 23.5 400 25.0 -24 14 12 22 18
2017 7 9 0 3rd of 4 320 20.0 384 24.0 -64 21 26 26 22
2016 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 432 27.0 388 24.3 44 4 8 21 22
2015 10 6 0 2nd of 4 Lost Div 368 23.0 323 20.2 45 15 23 12 15
2014 12 4 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 486 30.4 348 21.8 138 1 6 13 15
2013 8 7 1 1st of 4 Lost WC 417 26.1 428 26.8 -11 8 3 24 25
2012 11 5 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 433 27.1 336 21.0 97 5 13 11 11
2011 15 1 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 560 35.0 359 22.4 201 1 3 19 32
2010 10 6 0 2nd of 4 Won SB 388 24.3 240 15.0 148 10 9 2 5
2009 11 5 0 2nd of 4 Lost WC 461 28.8 297 18.6 164 3 6 7 2
2008 6 10 0 3rd of 4 419 26.2 380 23.8 39 5 8 22 20
2007 13 3 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 435 27.2 291 18.2 144 4 2 6 11
2006 8 8 0 2nd of 4 301 18.8 366 22.9 -65 22 9 25 12
2005 4 12 0 4th of 4 298 18.6 344 21.5 -46 22 18 19 7
2004 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost WC 424 26.5 380 23.8 44 5 3 23 25
2003 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 442 27.6 307 19.2 135 4 4 11 17
2002 12 4 0 1st of 4 Lost WC 398 24.9 328 20.5 70 6 12 12 12
2001 12 4 0 2nd of 5 Lost Div 390 24.4 266 16.6 124 5 6 5 12
2000 9 7 0 3rd of 5 353 22.1 323 20.2 30 11 15 14 15
25.2 21.3
Tom Brady was their QB
No crap. Fun fact, when Brady won last year want to guess where is defense ranked? Brady has never won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower than 8th in points. Even Eli Manning (17th and 25th)did that. But keep thinking it was all Brady.
PF PPF PA PPG Points Yards Points Yards
2019 13 3 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 376 23.5 313 19.6 63 15 18 9 18
2018 6 9 1 3rd of 4 376 23.5 400 25.0 -24 14 12 22 18
2017 7 9 0 3rd of 4 320 20.0 384 24.0 -64 21 26 26 22
2016 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 432 27.0 388 24.3 44 4 8 21 22
2015 10 6 0 2nd of 4 Lost Div 368 23.0 323 20.2 45 15 23 12 15
2014 12 4 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 486 30.4 348 21.8 138 1 6 13 15
2013 8 7 1 1st of 4 Lost WC 417 26.1 428 26.8 -11 8 3 24 25
2012 11 5 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 433 27.1 336 21.0 97 5 13 11 11
2011 15 1 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 560 35.0 359 22.4 201 1 3 19 32
2010 10 6 0 2nd of 4 Won SB 388 24.3 240 15.0 148 10 9 2 5
2009 11 5 0 2nd of 4 Lost WC 461 28.8 297 18.6 164 3 6 7 2
2008 6 10 0 3rd of 4 419 26.2 380 23.8 39 5 8 22 20
2007 13 3 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 435 27.2 291 18.2 144 4 2 6 11
2006 8 8 0 2nd of 4 301 18.8 366 22.9 -65 22 9 25 12
2005 4 12 0 4th of 4 298 18.6 344 21.5 -46 22 18 19 7
2004 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost WC 424 26.5 380 23.8 44 5 3 23 25
2003 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 442 27.6 307 19.2 135 4 4 11 17
2002 12 4 0 1st of 4 Lost WC 398 24.9 328 20.5 70 6 12 12 12
2001 12 4 0 2nd of 5 Lost Div 390 24.4 266 16.6 124 5 6 5 12
2000 9 7 0 3rd of 5 353 22.1 323 20.2 30 11 15 14 15
25.2 21.3
Tom Brady was their QB
No crap. Fun fact, when Brady won last year want to guess where is defense ranked? Brady has never won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower than 8th in points. Even Eli Manning (17th and 25th)did that. But keep thinking it was all Brady.
In the end our D was ranked #13 but I can't believe any SB winning team ever had a ST dead last.
PF PPF PA PPG Points Yards Points Yards
2019 13 3 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 376 23.5 313 19.6 63 15 18 9 18
2018 6 9 1 3rd of 4 376 23.5 400 25.0 -24 14 12 22 18
2017 7 9 0 3rd of 4 320 20.0 384 24.0 -64 21 26 26 22
2016 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 432 27.0 388 24.3 44 4 8 21 22
2015 10 6 0 2nd of 4 Lost Div 368 23.0 323 20.2 45 15 23 12 15
2014 12 4 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 486 30.4 348 21.8 138 1 6 13 15
2013 8 7 1 1st of 4 Lost WC 417 26.1 428 26.8 -11 8 3 24 25
2012 11 5 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 433 27.1 336 21.0 97 5 13 11 11
2011 15 1 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 560 35.0 359 22.4 201 1 3 19 32
2010 10 6 0 2nd of 4 Won SB 388 24.3 240 15.0 148 10 9 2 5
2009 11 5 0 2nd of 4 Lost WC 461 28.8 297 18.6 164 3 6 7 2
2008 6 10 0 3rd of 4 419 26.2 380 23.8 39 5 8 22 20
2007 13 3 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 435 27.2 291 18.2 144 4 2 6 11
2006 8 8 0 2nd of 4 301 18.8 366 22.9 -65 22 9 25 12
2005 4 12 0 4th of 4 298 18.6 344 21.5 -46 22 18 19 7
2004 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost WC 424 26.5 380 23.8 44 5 3 23 25
2003 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 442 27.6 307 19.2 135 4 4 11 17
2002 12 4 0 1st of 4 Lost WC 398 24.9 328 20.5 70 6 12 12 12
2001 12 4 0 2nd of 5 Lost Div 390 24.4 266 16.6 124 5 6 5 12
2000 9 7 0 3rd of 5 353 22.1 323 20.2 30 11 15 14 15
25.2 21.3
Tom Brady was their QB
No crap. Fun fact, when Brady won last year want to guess where is defense ranked? Brady has never won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower than 8th in points. Even Eli Manning (17th and 25th)did that. But keep thinking it was all Brady.
Love has very little to do with any of this, this is fan appeasement, 99% of fans want Rodgers back, the 10% that don't are the ones fed up with his antics or that he hasn't been able to carry this team in the PO's as he has during the regular season.
this team could suck next year with Love at the helm and it wouldn't affect this FO or the coaches, you and others here listen to talk show people to much
I've heard of giving 110%. Haven't heard about 109% of the fans.
No crap. Fun fact, when Brady won last year want to guess where is defense ranked? Brady has never won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower than 8th in points. Even Eli Manning (17th and 25th)did that. But keep thinking it was all Brady.
Ok
Tell you what. I'll make a prediction right now. Next year the Patriots will take the division and will win at least 2 playoff games. But then maybe you can explain how they went 11-5 in 2008 with Brady out? The great Matt Cassel was QB that year. 10 of those games his defense held the other team to 21 points or less, He won 9 of those. The others were higher than 21 ppg and he won 2. But it was all Brady in NE.
Everyone in their heart of hearts knows it. If you can't do it in 2020 and 2021, what makes you think we have any realistic chance of doing it in 2022 with an older and more expensive QB?
Proceeding with Rodgers would give the illusion of "trying to win" which is what I have made fun of MN doing since 2018.
I think it would have less to do with trying to win and more to do with wanting more time before making a long-term decision on QB.
But that's what I don't understand. I don't see "long term QB decision" being the number one 2022 thing if we move on from Rodgers. We hold Love for 3 years. If Love sucks in 2022, you draft another one in 2023 and still hold Love for 2 years (I can't imagine his 5th year option is too expensive)
If it "clicks" for Love in year 4, you make a decision with the other QB on your roster at that time.
If it never clicks, you are in the same situation and hope the other guy you drafted shows upside.
We have gone ad nauseum on how its more about "team" than "QB" since the loss. Get the team right and everything else starts to fall into place.
Plenty of teams have seen success with average or below QBs. Philly, TEN, CLE, LAR (2020 and earlier), NO's, PIT, just to name a few the last few years
PF PPF PA PPG Points Yards Points Yards
2019 13 3 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 376 23.5 313 19.6 63 15 18 9 18
2018 6 9 1 3rd of 4 376 23.5 400 25.0 -24 14 12 22 18
2017 7 9 0 3rd of 4 320 20.0 384 24.0 -64 21 26 26 22
2016 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 432 27.0 388 24.3 44 4 8 21 22
2015 10 6 0 2nd of 4 Lost Div 368 23.0 323 20.2 45 15 23 12 15
2014 12 4 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 486 30.4 348 21.8 138 1 6 13 15
2013 8 7 1 1st of 4 Lost WC 417 26.1 428 26.8 -11 8 3 24 25
2012 11 5 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 433 27.1 336 21.0 97 5 13 11 11
2011 15 1 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 560 35.0 359 22.4 201 1 3 19 32
2010 10 6 0 2nd of 4 Won SB 388 24.3 240 15.0 148 10 9 2 5
2009 11 5 0 2nd of 4 Lost WC 461 28.8 297 18.6 164 3 6 7 2
2008 6 10 0 3rd of 4 419 26.2 380 23.8 39 5 8 22 20
2007 13 3 0 1st of 4 Lost Con 435 27.2 291 18.2 144 4 2 6 11
2006 8 8 0 2nd of 4 301 18.8 366 22.9 -65 22 9 25 12
2005 4 12 0 4th of 4 298 18.6 344 21.5 -46 22 18 19 7
2004 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost WC 424 26.5 380 23.8 44 5 3 23 25
2003 10 6 0 1st of 4 Lost Div 442 27.6 307 19.2 135 4 4 11 17
2002 12 4 0 1st of 4 Lost WC 398 24.9 328 20.5 70 6 12 12 12
2001 12 4 0 2nd of 5 Lost Div 390 24.4 266 16.6 124 5 6 5 12
2000 9 7 0 3rd of 5 353 22.1 323 20.2 30 11 15 14 15
25.2 21.3
My actual point was that NE did not resort to "all-in" roster building to achieve the wins.
They certainly didn't tank to get high picks in order to rebuild.
Their winning strategy was to build around an established QB, who took a discount (but not an outrageous one), and just do everything better than the rest of the league.
"Doing things better"...
It's not a popular strategy, I know. We fans love to imagine a scenario in which our team wins by default if we choose my (or some influencer's) genius strategy and moves.
No crap. Fun fact, when Brady won last year want to guess where is defense ranked? Brady has never won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower than 8th in points. Even Eli Manning (17th and 25th)did that. But keep thinking it was all Brady.
Ok
Tell you what. I'll make a prediction right now. Next year the Patriots will take the division and will win at least 2 playoff games. But then maybe you can explain how they went 11-5 in 2008 with Brady out? The great Matt Cassel was QB that year. 10 of those games his defense held the other team to 21 points or less, He won 9 of those. The others were higher than 21 ppg and he won 2. But it was all Brady in NE.
mutual pos turing, it says if ya want him more then we do sharpen your freaking pencil cause he wont be going any where cheap, the front office is smart to make it look like it will be Rodgers decision should he leave, that will take the pressure down against any blow back should Love or the team decline in 2022, I think Andy Brandt is probably right again, both Rodgers and the team benefit if Rodgers is traded.
It's just mutual posturing. I liked it much better last week when the focus was squarely on Leroy Butler (and my list of All-Pros Dilweg, Lewellen, Howton, Gillingham and Sharpe). I'd rather discuss our DEFENSE and the new plans for the Special Teams, and why the front office should be cleaned out/emptied.
Feel free to start a thread about cleaning/emptying the FO. Could be an interesting discussion, but I won't be starting it because I'm not in favor of such a thing.
Much to the dismay of some prominent posters here I'm sure ........... I won't start such a thread either.
The problem if we bring back Rodgers for one more run is that if we make the playoffs, our QB will be Rodgers. And I don't have a solution for that yet, and I don't know if the team does either.
If Rodgers is such a choker in the playoffs why would another team give us all these #1 draft picks for a guy like that in the twilight of his career?
I'm only half kidding.
Because Denver (his most likely destination) proved you can overcome that when they did with a washed-up Peyton Manning.
Right now Denver's D is not as good as it was then. Will a team like that want to mortgage their future by giving up draft picks for a 38 year old QB today? We shall see if indeed Gute and company are ready to trade away Rodgers and go with Love.
If Rodgers is such a choker in the playoffs why would another team give us all these #1 draft picks for a guy like that in the twilight of his career?
I'm only half kidding.
Because Denver (his most likely destination) proved you can overcome that when they did with a washed-up Peyton Manning.
Right now Denver's D is not as good as it was then. Will a team like that want to mortgage their future by giving up draft picks for a 38 year old QB today? We shall see if indeed Gute and company are ready to trade away Rodgers and go with Love.
Tom Brady - older. Goes to Bucs. Wins a SB
Matt Stafford - Rams give up a load of picks. Goes to Rams. Wins a SB.
Yes. Teams will give up a lot for a shot at a ring. No question.
If Rodgers is such a choker in the playoffs why would another team give us all these #1 draft picks for a guy like that in the twilight of his career?
I'm only half kidding.
Because Denver (his most likely destination) proved you can overcome that when they did with a washed-up Peyton Manning.
Right now Denver's D is not as good as it was then. Will a team like that want to mortgage their future by giving up draft picks for a 38 year old QB today? We shall see if indeed Gute and company are ready to trade away Rodgers and go with Love.
Maybe not as good as then. But very young and were 3rd in 3rd in points allowed last year.
And that is with poor offensive help and probably the toughest division in football for quality of offenses faced.
I absolutely, positively do whatever I can to bring in Rodgers and Adams and hope for a legit 2 year run. The cap can be managed to make it happen and you are an instant threat for a SB if you do it.
I would give up 3 1st rounders plus another pick equivalent. No question. Your run is about FA at this point. Not drafting and your cap deferral can make it happen.
The Bengals defense is mainly comprised of FA's. The Rams team is mainly comprised of trades and FA's. There are more ways to build football teams now beyond Draft and Develop because of the way teams are managing the cap. Even the Packers did it and saw success.
I think Philly and Denver have the best shot because they have the most to offer us. They will simply be able to outbid anyone else.
