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Just think, Stafford and Rodgers both have one Super Bowl victory.
I don't understand why this would be a statement worth marveling at. Maybe it would be if Stafford had stayed with Detroit and won the big game. But he stepped into a new team that was loaded with talent and primed to win right away.
I see it as validation for Stafford. Not anything to ding Rodgers for. Stafford still was Stafford in the game. He threw 2 picks haha. Those things kill ya in Det, you can survive it with that roster in LA.
Apparently not. Since they didn't play in the Super Bowl.
As I have been told many times by Packer fans, what you do during the regular season means nothing if you don't win the Super Bowl.
Please. That's a player and coaching issue. Not a roster issue.
The 1998 Vikings had the best roster in the NFC by a landslide. Because they didn't win it is a player and coaching issue of not stepping up in the moment. Not a roster issue. Everyone should be able to differentiate the two.
The packers didnt have the best roster in the playoffs. That doesnt mean the FO didnt assemble a team that could win. They absolutely could have won the SB. That does not mean they had the best roster.
No it just means that the players didn't step up like they are capable of doing.
Let's put the responsibility on the players and coaches like it belongs.
A QB should throw to the wide open player when there are two wide open players on a key play.
A star RB should be able to run down the sidelines at full speed when he has the edge for a TD....and if not, at least gets tackled out of bounds.
A Tight End should catch an easy throw and catch over midfield
A Lineman should make an effort to hit somebody on a field goal block
A long Snapper should be able to hold his own and not allow to be pushed back 5 to 8 yards in 2 seconds
These are basic, basic, basic, basic things that players and coaches should be expected to execute when they are the best at what they do.
Just think, Stafford and Rodgers both have one Super Bowl victory.
I don't understand why this would be a statement worth marveling at. Maybe it would be if Stafford had stayed with Detroit and won the big game. But he stepped into a new team that was loaded with talent and primed to win right away.
I see it as validation for Stafford. Not anything to ding Rodgers for. Stafford still was Stafford in the game. He threw 2 picks haha. Those things kill ya in Det, you can survive it with that roster in LA.
Props to him though.
The first INT was essentially a punt and the 2nd wasn't his fault.
This board would be defending Rodgers to the ends of the earth if that happened to him. The Rams defense was absolutely stunning. Just as stunning as the Packers defense was in the postseason this year.
Please. That's a player and coaching issue. Not a roster issue.
The 1998 Vikings had the best roster in the NFC by a landslide. Because they didn't win it is a player and coaching issue of not stepping up in the moment. Not a roster issue. Everyone should be able to differentiate the two.
The packers didnt have the best roster in the playoffs. That doesnt mean the FO didnt assemble a team that could win. They absolutely could have won the SB. That does not mean they had the best roster.
No it just means that the players didn't step up like they are capable of doing.
Let's put the responsibility on the players and coaches like it belongs.
A QB should throw to the wide open player when there are two wide open players on a key play.
A star RB should be able to run down the sidelines at full speed when he has the edge for a TD....and if not, at least gets tackled out of bounds.
A Tight End should catch an easy throw and catch over midfield
A Lineman should make an effort to hit somebody on a field goal block
A long Snapper should be able to hold his own and not allow to be pushed back 5 to 8 yards in 2 seconds
These are basic, basic, basic, basic things that players and coaches should be expected to execute when they are the best at what they do.
Why does it have to be either or? And does the player making a play not say something about the quality of the roster?
For instance, I bet Tonyan catches the ball Deguara dropped. I bet a better blocker does a better job than Lancaster on FG team in that spot.
The roster was fully capable of winning a sb. I am not saying it was not. But also, the team that won the SB ran 3 deep at WR with guys that can HURT you. Kupp, OBJ, Van Jefferson..and thats with Woods dying. Thats a fleet of playmakers...that is WAY deeper than we go. We went into the party with a major defenciency at TE and WR2-5. It just is what it is. Its the same thing that always happens when teams lock down Adams.
It could have been compensated for and we could have won the super bowl. Its not a diss on the FO to not assemble "the best roster in the NFL". They just need to assemble a roster capable of winning it all...they did that.
But that doesnt mean it was the best roster in the playoffs. Better players make the plays you listed.
Rodgers won the MVP because the Packers got the 1 seed on what was a roster many considered to be depleted due to injuries. Rodgers did not have the best stats. If the roster was the NFLs best, he doesnt win the award...the roster is what hurt Brady who had amazing stats.
That doesnt mean the FO didnt do a great job and provide enough to win
The packers didnt have the best roster in the playoffs. That doesnt mean the FO didnt assemble a team that could win. They absolutely could have won the SB. That does not mean they had the best roster.
No it just means that the players didn't step up like they are capable of doing.
Let's put the responsibility on the players and coaches like it belongs.
A QB should throw to the wide open player when there are two wide open players on a key play.
A star RB should be able to run down the sidelines at full speed when he has the edge for a TD....and if not, at least gets tackled out of bounds.
A Tight End should catch an easy throw and catch over midfield
A Lineman should make an effort to hit somebody on a field goal block
A long Snapper should be able to hold his own and not allow to be pushed back 5 to 8 yards in 2 seconds
These are basic, basic, basic, basic things that players and coaches should be expected to execute when they are the best at what they do.
Why does it have to be either or? And does the player making a play not say something about the quality of the roster?
For instance, I bet Tonyan catches the ball Deguara dropped. I bet a better blocker does a better job than Lancaster on FG team in that spot.
The roster was fully capable of winning a sb. I am not saying it was not. But also, the team that won the SB ran 3 deep at WR with guys that can HURT you. Kupp, OBJ, Van Jefferson..and thats with Woods dying. Thats a fleet of playmakers...that is WAY deeper than we go. We went into the party with a major defenciency at TE and WR2-5. It just is what it is. Its the same thing that always happens when teams lock down Adams.
It could have been compensated for and we could have won the super bowl. Its not a diss on the FO to not assemble "the best roster in the NFL". They just need to assemble a roster capable of winning it all...they did that.
But that doesnt mean it was the best roster in the playoffs. Better players make the plays you listed.
Rodgers won the MVP because the Packers got the 1 seed on what was a roster many considered to be depleted due to injuries. Rodgers did not have the best stats. If the roster was the NFLs best, he doesnt win the award...the roster is what hurt Brady who had amazing stats.
That doesnt mean the FO didnt do a great job and provide enough to win
Because when you go down that route it's impossible to overlook that QB1 on the roster was a part of the reason for not winning it in both years.
The Rams were better at spots. They had the edge at WR. But we were better at other spots. We had the edge at RB, CB, LB, Edge.
But sure. If the player not making a play says something about the quality of the roster, then yes. In 2021, Stafford made the throws. Kupp found the holes and made the catches. Rodgers and Adams did not.
Both defenses did their job. Both STs had their issues (one more than the other). But Stafford and Kupp were able to make plays to get the win while Rodgers and Adams did not.
Make the plays when the plays are there to be made. That is what playoffs football is all about. I bet Lazard and OBJ would have both caught that ball against SF had Aaron actually thrown it. But it was QB1 who didn't throw it.
Because when you go down that route it's impossible to overlook that QB1 on the roster was a part of the reason for not winning it in both years.
Rodgers and actually to a extent Lafluer focus the passing game on Adams for the simple reason he and Rodgers have chemistry impossible to build with guys like Lazard, MVS or the rest of our receivers for the simple reason they lack consistency, are slow to separate, so given that Lafluer has a time frame for Rodgers to get the ball out Adams becomes the first and often the only receiver open in that time frame, for you to discount the importance of another receiver that can get open quick consistently enough to demand first read options like DEvonte does is why you keep going back to Rodgers didn't play well enough, reality is all QB's miss open receivers in every game played, your refusal to accept this will always be a block in our conversations, Stafford, Brady, etc etc. are no different then Rodgers in this respect, and the Bengals had more receivers to cover and thats the biggest reason Kupp was open, or did you miss Collonsworth announcing that the Rams went 5 wide, for Christ sakes we havn't been able to go 5 wide for 6 years.
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Because when you go down that route it's impossible to overlook that QB1 on the roster was a part of the reason for not winning it in both years.
Rodgers and actually to a extent Lafluer focus the passing game on Adams for the simple reason he and Rodgers have chemistry impossible to build with guys like Lazard, MVS or the rest of our receivers for the simple reason they lack consistency, are slow to separate, so given that Lafluer has a time frame for Rodgers to get the ball out Adams becomes the first and often the only receiver open in that time frame, for you to discount the importance of another receiver that can get open quick consistently enough to demand first read options like DEvonte does is why you keep going back to Rodgers didn't play well enough, reality is all QB's miss open receivers in every game played, your refusal to accept this will always be a block in our conversations, Stafford, Brady, etc etc. are no different then Rodgers in this respect, and the Bengals had more receivers to cover and thats the biggest reason Kupp was open, or did you miss Collonsworth announcing that the Rams went 5 wide, for Christ sacks we havn't been able to go 5 wide for 6 years.
Why are we now commenting on Christ's sack. Kind of inappropriate.
Because when you go down that route it's impossible to overlook that QB1 on the roster was a part of the reason for not winning it in both years.
Rodgers and actually to a extent Lafluer focus the passing game on Adams for the simple reason he and Rodgers have chemistry impossible to build with guys like Lazard, MVS or the rest of our receivers for the simple reason they lack consistency, are slow to separate, so given that Lafluer has a time frame for Rodgers to get the ball out Adams becomes the first and often the only receiver open in that time frame, for you to discount the importance of another receiver that can get open quick consistently enough to demand first read options like DEvonte does is why you keep going back to Rodgers didn't play well enough, reality is all QB's miss open receivers in every game played, your refusal to accept this will always be a block in our conversations, Stafford, Brady, etc etc. are no different then Rodgers in this respect, and the Bengals had more receivers to cover and thats the biggest reason Kupp was open, or did you miss Collonsworth announcing that the Rams went 5 wide, for Christ sacks we havn't been able to go 5 wide for 6 years.
Why are we now commenting on Christ's sack. Kind of inappropriate.
92 total 5 wide snaps in 2020, we went 5 wide once.
85 and none in 2019.
73 and once in 2018.
In 2021, the Rams went 5 wide 3 time, but we went 4 wide more than the Rams, 26 to 47 snaps. Guess who had more success in 4 wide? Packers.
So more or less 4 and 5 wide is not an indication of better or worse WRs.
We didn't have a WR problem...
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Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Rodgers and actually to a extent Lafluer focus the passing game on Adams for the simple reason he and Rodgers have chemistry impossible to build with guys like Lazard, MVS or the rest of our receivers for the simple reason they lack consistency, are slow to separate, so given that Lafluer has a time frame for Rodgers to get the ball out Adams becomes the first and often the only receiver open in that time frame, for you to discount the importance of another receiver that can get open quick consistently enough to demand first read options like DEvonte does is why you keep going back to Rodgers didn't play well enough, reality is all QB's miss open receivers in every game played, your refusal to accept this will always be a block in our conversations, Stafford, Brady, etc etc. are no different then Rodgers in this respect, and the Bengals had more receivers to cover and thats the biggest reason Kupp was open, or did you miss Collonsworth announcing that the Rams went 5 wide, for Christ sacks we havn't been able to go 5 wide for 6 years.
Why are we now commenting on Christ's sack. Kind of inappropriate.
Just think, Stafford and Rodgers both have one Super Bowl victory.
I don't understand why this would be a statement worth marveling at. Maybe it would be if Stafford had stayed with Detroit and won the big game. But he stepped into a new team that was loaded with talent and primed to win right away.
No point in having a better WR2 if QB1 isn't going to throw the ball to the open WR2 since the offense runs through WR1...
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Please. That's a player and coaching issue. Not a roster issue.
The 1998 Vikings had the best roster in the NFC by a landslide. Because they didn't win it is a player and coaching issue of not stepping up in the moment. Not a roster issue. Everyone should be able to differentiate the two.
1998 the Vikings went 15-1. What people fail to remember is the Atlanta team they lost to was 14-2. No slackers themselves that year. Man for man the Vikings matched up better against the Broncos than Atalanta did. I really think had they made that game they would have won.
WR2 had 6 receiving yards in the final Packers game.
I can't believe people are so hard headed over this, after watching Rodgers spread the ball around so much when he had Nelson Jennings Jones Cobb Adams, Finley, to think Rodgers is the one that declined is a insult upon common sense.
WR2 had 6 receiving yards in the final Packers game.
I can't believe people are so hard headed over this, after watching Rodgers spread the ball around so much when he had Nelson Jennings Jones Cobb Adams, Finley, to think Rodgers is the one that declined is a insult upon common sense.
Actually the narrative at that time was the Packers were better off with Finley out because Rodgers didn't focus in on him so much.
