Rodgers future

[British]

And you're talking about Denver making the playoffs etc.....uh Philly did make the playoffs. Even with a QB who is just as bad as Bridgewater. If not worse.

You think Denver might have a better chance of the playoffs with the MVP at QB and spending their 80m cap space compared to having a beat up Teddy Bridgewater?

Honestly, if anything, Jalen Raegor would be a reason for Rodgers *not* to want to go there. Plus, a run game led by Javonte Williams is a million times more exciting than Miles Sanders who has been largely garbage this year.

Also, Philly fans are dicks. Broncos are way more chilled out.

As for the Packers choosing to keep him for 2022 on a 45m cap hit only to lose him for nothing next year - that would be some major cutting off our nose to spite our face. Not only would we have to dismantle our current team to fit him under the cap, we'd also not even get a year to assess Love before deciding on his 5th year option. We'd be left with no Rodgers, possibly no Love and not even a high pick to choose a top QB in '23.

Or the Packers could accept Denver's 'low ball' offer of a 1st and a 3rd and get to start the new era around Love, see if he can do it, and if not, it probably puts them in a good position to select a top QB in '23.

I said Denver was number one. I always said that. Good grief.

All I said is Philly could be an underdog here.

Yes I think Denver makes the playoffs with Rodgers. I also know Philly makes the playoffs with Rodgers. Both teams have a lot of cap and both can bring on Adams.

So what Reagor isn't as good as Juedy. He would be a 3rd WR. And if you have read me on this forum long enough, you know my feelings on getting so hell bent over shape on a 3rd and 4th WR talk...

If Philly comes in and offers us 2 1st rounders in 2022 (they have 3 1st rounders), a 2023 1st and a 2024 1st for Rodgers and Adams...I'm taking it.

Rodgers then goes to Philly. He has 3 great WRs. He has a RB. He has a defense. AND the Eagles still have plenty of draft picks to continue to build for the short run.

That is why I am saying Philly is an underdog here. I think people are sleeping on them. They got a lot of draft capital that can outbid other teams if they want. The biggest thing is if they want.

The problem is they don't offer that if Rodgers has told them he won't play for them. And Rodgers probably doesn't want his new team to be down multiple first round draft picks if he can help it.

That's why a simple one team list, a quiet agreement of modest compensation of maybe a 1st and a 2nd, ensures it's in the interest of the Packers to accept and sets up Rodgers nicely without any public acrimony.

Packers gave up any real leverage when they redid his contract last year. Hopefully he has enough good will towards the Packers that he doesn't use it against them now.

[BF004]

but the FO is making it crystal clear that they want Rodgers to retire as a Packer and are willing to make him more rich to accomplish it, so don't be shocked if he takes the deal.

I am always cynical until I see very credible reports.

There is definitely gunna be some posturing and PR stunts played here I am sure. Maybe not even directly from the main source, just side players. If the Packers do part ways with Aaron, they are certainly going to want the impression that they did everything they could to keep him and it was simply Aaron's decision.

So I don't know, just the reports coming out that we are going to give Aaron $45 million a year and then the same guy says we are going to franchise Davante.

I just never tend to believe 'reports' from 'sources', and more often than not, I feel justified in waiting on forming my opinions.


I am definitely not implying it isn't true, just that report of offering $45 million per means pretty much nothing to me right now.

I know it doesn't make sense to us to do all they will need to to satisfy Rodgers, as he made clear it's not just MONEY, he doesn't want to hang around for a rebuild, so obviously the team will have to kick a ton more contract money down the road to keep both Rodgers and most of the supporting cast for the next couple years, I don't expect Rodgers back for another season, several other teams situations must be very attractive to him.

I've asked every Packer fan I know what they think, and both of em lol said they want Rodgers back, seriously though that seems the consensus from most everyone, and I'am sure the FO takes that into consideration, Rodgers makes this team a lot of molla, remember how hard Ted and McCarthy tried to get Favre to come back, same thing now.

For me, it really depends.

What do Gute and LaFleur truly think of Love, that might be the biggest piece of the puzzle. If they think he is no where near ready or quite possibly never will be, then yeah. If they see steady progression, high end talent, and showing some brains in the meeting rooms. That means a lot.

Then next it is probably what does it look like if Aaron comes back? Is is a two year commitment? More? Is it honestly going to be $45 million dollars increasing the likelihood of a bad team around him? Do they somehow how force him into another one year and see deal? Are tensions high and expecting more drama if he comes back?

Then honestly a little bit, what is the trade compensation we are talking about? Is it a late one, maybe a few future decent picks at best, or are we legitimately talking 3 first round picks or the equivalent of?


So I guess I honestly don't know if I want him back or not yet. Depends on factors I have no idea about and some I'll likely never know. Guessing I won't form any strong opinions about it until after the fact and we see how things actually worked out.


In the scenario Love is really showing something and we are talking once in a generation level trade compensation, I'm pretty much on board with trading him no matter what if that is the case. But I have zero clue if both of those things are even close to true.

[Drj820]

I am always cynical until I see very credible reports.

There is definitely gunna be some posturing and PR stunts played here I am sure. Maybe not even directly from the main source, just side players. If the Packers do part ways with Aaron, they are certainly going to want the impression that they did everything they could to keep him and it was simply Aaron's decision.

So I don't know, just the reports coming out that we are going to give Aaron $45 million a year and then the same guy says we are going to franchise Davante.

I just never tend to believe 'reports' from 'sources', and more often than not, I feel justified in waiting on forming my opinions.


I am definitely not implying it isn't true, just that report of offering $45 million per means pretty much nothing to me right now.

I know it doesn't make sense to us to do all they will need to to satisfy Rodgers, as he made clear it's not just MONEY, he doesn't want to hang around for a rebuild, so obviously the team will have to kick a ton more contract money down the road to keep both Rodgers and most of the supporting cast for the next couple years, I don't expect Rodgers back for another season, several other teams situations must be very attractive to him.

I've asked every Packer fan I know what they think, and both of em lol said they want Rodgers back, seriously though that seems the consensus from most everyone, and I'am sure the FO takes that into consideration, Rodgers makes this team a lot of molla, remember how hard Ted and McCarthy tried to get Favre to come back, same thing now.

What do Gute and LaFleur truly think of Love, that might be the biggest piece of the puzzle. If they think he is no where near ready or quite possibly never will be, then yeah. If they see steady progression, high end talent, and showing some brains in the meeting rooms. That means a lot.

Does being willing to pay (as reported) 45m a year for Rodgers or just any amount thats not a major discount...plus forfeit the ability to trade him for major loot not tell us the answer to this question? It tells me exactly what they must think of Loves ability to lead the team...

The only situation where it does not tell me what they think of Love is if Rodgers is willing to come back on a discount...then I would say it is reasonable to forfeit the loot a Rodgers trade could acquire and it is smart to bring back 12.

[Pckfn23]

Why are we talking in absolutes, as if social media reports have set this all in stone?

[Pckfn23]

but the FO is making it crystal clear that they want Rodgers to retire as a Packer and are willing to make him more rich to accomplish it, so don't be shocked if he takes the deal.

I am always cynical until I see very credible reports.

There is definitely gunna be some posturing and PR stunts played here I am sure. Maybe not even directly from the main source, just side players. If the Packers do part ways with Aaron, they are certainly going to want the impression that they did everything they could to keep him and it was simply Aaron's decision.

So I don't know, just the reports coming out that we are going to give Aaron $45 million a year and then the same guy says we are going to franchise Davante.

I just never tend to believe 'reports' from 'sources', and more often than not, I feel justified in waiting on forming my opinions.


I am definitely not implying it isn't true, just that report of offering $45 million per means pretty much nothing to me right now.

And frankly, it would be asinine to offer $45 million per. That is what Mahomes got before COVID salary cap hits, over a 12 year period, when salary caps were expected to be astronomical, in the 300's. Plus his contract is designed to be redone by 2027, when he is due a $59 million dollar roster bonus, it was really more like a 6 year contract where he got like 38-40 per if memory serves correctly.

We are dealing with 208 and likely like 225 caps the next two years, give or take next year. That would just simply be stupid, in my opinion.

100% where I am at, especially the bold.

[NCF]

There are mutually beneficial reasons for both the Packers and Aaron Rodgers to play nice and say all of the right things if they split. Knowing the sensitivity of this whole situation, it would not even surprise me if they have already agreed on a strategy to keep both sides looking good.

[BF004]

There are mutually beneficial reasons for both the Packers and Aaron Rodgers to play nice and say all of the right things if they split. Knowing the sensitivity of this whole situation, it would not even surprise me if they have already agreed on a strategy to keep both sides looking good.

Yeah, I was saying that at the honors show. Interview after, Aaron was talking like I'm just gunna take some time and we'll figure everything out.


In my mind, I am like pretty sure Aaron and the FO know like 99% if he is going to be a Packer or not already.

[go pak go]

The thing I can't get beyond is James Jones saying he thinks Arod is back in GB next year.

James Jones is in the "inner circle". I think it would make more sense for him to say at this point, "man all I know is Rodgers is the best there ever was in GB. I know he loves GB and the fans and I know he ultimately will take the take the time to follow his heart and do the best thing for all"

something like that. But instead he says he expects Rodgers to be back in GB. I always take his words heavier than anyone else's.

[Yoop]

I know it doesn't make sense to us to do all they will need to to satisfy Rodgers, as he made clear it's not just MONEY, he doesn't want to hang around for a rebuild, so obviously the team will have to kick a ton more contract money down the road to keep both Rodgers and most of the supporting cast for the next couple years, I don't expect Rodgers back for another season, several other teams situations must be very attractive to him.

I've asked every Packer fan I know what they think, and both of em lol said they want Rodgers back, seriously though that seems the consensus from most everyone, and I'am sure the FO takes that into consideration, Rodgers makes this team a lot of molla, remember how hard Ted and McCarthy tried to get Favre to come back, same thing now.

What do Gute and LaFleur truly think of Love, that might be the biggest piece of the puzzle. If they think he is no where near ready or quite possibly never will be, then yeah. If they see steady progression, high end talent, and showing some brains in the meeting rooms. That means a lot.

Does being willing to pay (as reported) 45m a year for Rodgers or just any amount thats not a major discount...plus forfeit the ability to trade him for major loot not tell us the answer to this question? It tells me exactly what they must think of Loves ability to lead the team...

The only situation where it does not tell me what they think of Love is if Rodgers is willing to come back on a discount...then I would say it is reasonable to forfeit the loot a Rodgers trade could acquire and it is smart to bring back 12.

I think it's impossible for anyone to know what Love can become, what we saw so far would give anyone pause to predict his future, he did pretty well till the pass rush forced him to speed his mechanics up, the body was willing, the mind was not, and that is so often what we see from young QB's forced into action to early, and what I believe ruins so many QB's like Love, and our coaches know it, they saw it just as we did, he hasn't progressed to the speed of the NFL game, yet, probably because he's hardly played much in it, that could change by next fall, who knows.

If Love was more ready I still think the FO would offer to bring Rodgers back, he still gives us the best option for success.

[Yoop]

The thing I can't get beyond is James Jones saying he thinks Arod is back in GB next year.

James Jones is in the "inner circle". I think it would make more sense for him to say at this point, "man all I know is Rodgers is the best there ever was in GB. I know he loves GB and the fans and I know he ultimately will take the take the time to follow his heart and do the best thing for all"

something like that. But instead he says he expects Rodgers to be back in GB. I always take his words heavier than anyone else's.

Leroy leaned that way, Silverstien, plenty of people with more info then us have said it too.

[NCF]

The thing I can't get beyond is James Jones saying he thinks Arod is back in GB next year.

James Jones is in the "inner circle". I think it would make more sense for him to say at this point, "man all I know is Rodgers is the best there ever was in GB. I know he loves GB and the fans and I know he ultimately will take the take the time to follow his heart and do the best thing for all"

something like that. But instead he says he expects Rodgers to be back in GB. I always take his words heavier than anyone else's.

It can be sincere or it can be more posturing with Rodgers using his buddies to help his cause. The idea that Rodgers is going back to Green Bay can help drive up the price. Obviously that is what the Packers want in a trade? So, how does that help Aaron? Well, pretty simply, the Packers can have a line in the compensation sand and refuse to trade him if that demand isn't made.

This idea that giving up a lot for Aaron hurts his new team... I don't buy it so much and definitely not in the short-term. If Aaron wants to get traded, accepting that it's going to take a lot for a team to get him has to be part of the deal.

[NCF]

The thing I can't get beyond is James Jones saying he thinks Arod is back in GB next year.

James Jones is in the "inner circle". I think it would make more sense for him to say at this point, "man all I know is Rodgers is the best there ever was in GB. I know he loves GB and the fans and I know he ultimately will take the take the time to follow his heart and do the best thing for all"

something like that. But instead he says he expects Rodgers to be back in GB. I always take his words heavier than anyone else's.

Leroy leaned that way, Silverstien, plenty of people with more info then us have said it too.

Andrew Brandt hasn't. There is one guy that can just sit on the sidelines, assess the situation for both parties for what it is, and if he says Aaron is likely gone, I will tend to believe him over just about anyone right now.

[Raptorman]

Why are we talking in absolutes, as if social media reports have set this all in stone?

Do you mean we shouldn't believe social media? What a novel idea.

[NCF]

I will also point out, that I am not necessarily saying the reports are posturing. I am just pointing out how it helps both the Packers and Rodgers if it is posturing. I am still leaning that he is gone, but like most, I really have no idea what is going to happen.

[go pak go]

The thing I can't get beyond is James Jones saying he thinks Arod is back in GB next year.

James Jones is in the "inner circle". I think it would make more sense for him to say at this point, "man all I know is Rodgers is the best there ever was in GB. I know he loves GB and the fans and I know he ultimately will take the take the time to follow his heart and do the best thing for all"

something like that. But instead he says he expects Rodgers to be back in GB. I always take his words heavier than anyone else's.

This idea that giving up a lot for Aaron hurts his new team... I don't buy it so much and definitely not in the short-term. If Aaron wants to get traded, accepting that it's going to take a lot for a team to get him has to be part of the deal.

I agree. The draft trade compensation should mean little to Rodgers. Whoever Rodgers goes to can build a winner if they have a decent foundation (which is every top 20 NFL team) and not in terrible cap issue.

The team can buy a winner. They can defer cap hits like crazy to make it work. They don't need 1st round picks to be a winner.

[Pckfn23]

Why are we talking in absolutes, as if social media reports have set this all in stone?

Do you mean we shouldn't believe social media? What a novel idea.

This is the most ironic thing you have said on this forum!

[RingoCStarrQB]

Oh I know he has that for his best interest.

And if he wants to play like that, than the Packers need to stand up for themselves. If he would try and sneak something by with lowering trade compensation to the Packers then he can either play for us or retire. And we need to be willing to stand by that.

If he wants a good communication, act in good faith, etc...he needs to understand it goes both ways.

He can have his "favorite". I don't think there is any question Denver is the best landing spot for him. But that doesn't mean we have to oblige by that if Denver isn't willing to give us a good offer.

And you're talking about Denver making the playoffs etc.....uh Philly did make the playoffs. Even with a QB who is just as bad as Bridgewater. If not worse.

the FO just offered to make Rodgers the highest paid player to stay with us, if he says NO, how would it look if we played hard ball with him to get a extra draft pick? imo it's best to just part ways for fair compensation, threatening to not trade him or forcing him to play or retire wont happen, your dreaming.

Yup. You are right.

Fair compensation. A 1st and a 3rd is not fair compensation. Not even close.

Fair compensation is a couple of firsts plus extra picks at minimum. And if Rodgers and the Broncos think they can just steal Rodgers for below market compensation, then yes...you have to play hardball.

No. I'm going with Pugger's partial assertion now. Since when is a 0.500-ish playoff QB worth all of these high draft picks? I'm more inclined to keep Rodgers and clean out the front office than keep the front office and let Rodgers free. Management is replaceable. HOF players are tough to replace. Go Packers.

[go pak go]

the FO just offered to make Rodgers the highest paid player to stay with us, if he says NO, how would it look if we played hard ball with him to get a extra draft pick? imo it's best to just part ways for fair compensation, threatening to not trade him or forcing him to play or retire wont happen, your dreaming.

Yup. You are right.

Fair compensation. A 1st and a 3rd is not fair compensation. Not even close.

Fair compensation is a couple of firsts plus extra picks at minimum. And if Rodgers and the Broncos think they can just steal Rodgers for below market compensation, then yes...you have to play hardball.

No. I'm going with Pugger's partial assertion now. Since when is a 0.500-ish playoff QB worth all of these high draft picks?

Well one was traded last year for a lot of high draft picks and he was 0-3 in his limited playoff appearances over the last 12+ seasons....

[Pugger]

If I am Las Vegas, Denver, Philly, Pittsburgh....

I absolutely, positively do whatever I can to bring in Rodgers and Adams and hope for a legit 2 year run. The cap can be managed to make it happen and you are an instant threat for a SB if you do it.

I would give up 3 1st rounders plus another pick equivalent. No question. Your run is about FA at this point. Not drafting and your cap deferral can make it happen.

The Bengals defense is mainly comprised of FA's. The Rams team is mainly comprised of trades and FA's. There are more ways to build football teams now beyond Draft and Develop because of the way teams are managing the cap. Even the Packers did it and saw success.

I think Philly and Denver have the best shot because they have the most to offer us. They will simply be able to outbid anyone else.

If I'm Rodgers, Philly isn't on the list of teams I will be traded to.

In fact if I'm Rodgers it would be a list of 1. Denver.

Why just Denver? Aren't there other QB needy teams that are on the cusp of winning it all that can absorb his salary?

[Pugger]

If I'm Rodgers, Philly isn't on the list of teams I will be traded to.

In fact if I'm Rodgers it would be a list of 1. Denver.

I think Philly is underrated from a Rodgers desired place standpoint.

They have Reagor and Smith to supplement Adams at WR. Miles Sanders at RB. Their defense overall was around top 10 in 2021.

The big thing with Philly is their coach is unknown. But just because it's unknown doesn't mean it's a bad place to play. Their division is also significantly easier these next two years compared to the AFC West.

Reagor?! F that.
If Rodgers goes to Denver he can hand pick his own WRs from the free agent pool. Adams, MVS, Tonyan and probably Godwin, Allen Robinson etc. Not to mention Jeudy, Patrick, Sutton, Fant and Albert O blows the Eagles WR corps out the water.

Siriani v Hackett is a no brainer.

Plus, I really don't think Rodgers on a tooled up Denver squad fears any team, be they in the AFC West or not. He's planning to win the Superbowl, not the the NFC East. We all know the self belief Rodgers has. If he can't handle a couple of decent teams in the AFC West then he may as well retire now. Plus, the Chargers didn't even make the playoffs this year. When you factor in the fact 7 teams now make the playoffs, Denver could even finish 3rd and still get in. Also, he's a West Coast boy with a fiancé in Colorado.

The main advantage to Rodgers for keeping the list of teams he would play for to 1 is that it could keep the compensation down. It's not in his interest for their to be a bidding war for him. If he wants a 3 year window at his next team, those draft picks are an important part of building that winning roster. Denver giving up a 1st and a 3rd is much better than 3 1sts and a 2nd.

You guys talk like he's a FA and he can pick and choose. It will be up to Gute where he will go if Rodgers is traded. Of course if Rodgers asks respectfully Gute will oblige but Gute will do what is best for us in the end.