Aaron Rodgers V2022

[BF004]

If you’d ask me if I’d rather have Allen Robinson and Robert Tonyan and a 1 and a 3 or just Adams right now.

Not quite sure how I’d feel.

[British]

Interesting.

The Joel Corry breakdown he's referring to.
https://t.co/Cwhumq3emy

[mention]YoHoChecko[/mention] , what I'd love to know is what would be the dead cap hits if we traded Rodgers before the '23 and '24 seasons.

[Drj820]

Trade Adams, sign one WR vet for half of what Adams will get, draft 2 WRs in first three rounds...that’d be my move

[British]

Interesting.

The Joel Corry breakdown he's referring to.
https://t.co/Cwhumq3emy

@YoHoChecko , what I'd love to know is what would be the dead cap hits if we traded Rodgers before the '23 and '24 seasons.

To answer my own question, I think this means we could trade Rodgers after the 2022 season, before triggering the 2023 option bonus and be left with a dead cap hit of 40m.

So if you wanted a path to a Jordan Love future: Rodgers gets injured week 1, Love comes in, plays the season, looks great. They decide he is the future. They can then trade Rodgers, take the 40m dead cap and the Packers use the picks to build around Love.

That's why if I'm Gute I don't trade Love for a 2nd this offseason.

[bud fox]

Interesting.

The Joel Corry breakdown he's referring to.
https://t.co/Cwhumq3emy

@YoHoChecko , what I'd love to know is what would be the dead cap hits if we traded Rodgers before the '23 and '24 seasons.

To answer my own question, I think this means we could trade Rodgers after the 2022 season, before triggering the 2023 option bonus and be left with a dead cap hit of 40m.

So if you wanted a path to a Jordan Love future: Rodgers gets injured week 1, Love comes in, plays the season, looks great. They decide he is the future. They can then trade Rodgers, take the 40m dead cap and the Packers use the picks to build around Love.

That's why if I'm Gute I don't trade Love for a 2nd this offseason.

Firstly, please don't talk about Rodgers getting injured.

Secondly, why would anyone care about a path to Love when we have the best player in the league and Love has shown sub par play?

It isn't a video game.

[Drj820]

No offense to anyone and their personal ways of coping with the wasted draft pick of Love, but with this contract...it’s clear the team is only going to him in the future if something goes terribly wrong with 12.

[Yoop]

No offense to anyone and their personal ways of coping with the wasted draft pick of Love, but with this contract...it’s clear the team is only going to him in the future if something goes terribly wrong with 12.

none of this has anything to do with Love, no QB taken since LOve would have un seated Rodgers, the reason we just paid so much to keep Rodgers is because he gives us the best chance to win, and it would be the same if we had taken any QB that went before or since Love, why that is so hard for people to grasp is a mystery to me.

[British]

Interesting.

The Joel Corry breakdown he's referring to.
https://t.co/Cwhumq3emy

@YoHoChecko , what I'd love to know is what would be the dead cap hits if we traded Rodgers before the '23 and '24 seasons.

To answer my own question, I think this means we could trade Rodgers after the 2022 season, before triggering the 2023 option bonus and be left with a dead cap hit of 40m.

So if you wanted a path to a Jordan Love future: Rodgers gets injured week 1, Love comes in, plays the season, looks great. They decide he is the future. They can then trade Rodgers, take the 40m dead cap and the Packers use the picks to build around Love.

That's why if I'm Gute I don't trade Love for a 2nd this offseason.

Firstly, please don't talk about Rodgers getting injured.

Secondly, why would anyone care about a path to Love when we have the best player in the league and Love has shown sub par play?

It isn't a video game.

Prayers going up daily for 12's clavicle.

The point about Love is less about imagining a future for him here, more about why we shouldn't be that surprised if he doesn't get traded.

[Raptorman]

Interesting.

The Joel Corry breakdown he's referring to.
https://t.co/Cwhumq3emy

@YoHoChecko , what I'd love to know is what would be the dead cap hits if we traded Rodgers before the '23 and '24 seasons.

To answer my own question, I think this means we could trade Rodgers after the 2022 season, before triggering the 2023 option bonus and be left with a dead cap hit of 40m.

So if you wanted a path to a Jordan Love future: Rodgers gets injured week 1, Love comes in, plays the season, looks great. They decide he is the future. They can then trade Rodgers, take the 40m dead cap and the Packers use the picks to build around Love.

That's why if I'm Gute I don't trade Love for a 2nd this offseason.

No team would take Rodgers new contract.

[Scott4Pack]

Raptor, I’m thinking maybe Washington would take Aaron’s contract. Raiders used to be like that. What I’m really saying is that we should never say “never.”

:-)

[NCF]

If you’d ask me if I’d rather have Allen Robinson and Robert Tonyan and a 1 and a 3 or just Adams right now.

Not quite sure how I’d feel.

I am quite sure and unfortunately it’s not Adams.

[Raptorman]

Raptor, I’m thinking maybe Washington would take Aaron’s contract. Raiders used to be like that. What I’m really saying is that we should never say “never.”

:-)

Sorry, I don't see any team trading for a player that if he decides to retire the next year it will cost them $68 million in dead cap. No player is worth that. Not even A A Ron. The Vikings have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl than another team does of taking on that monstrosity of a contract. And people bitched about Cousins deal.

[YoHoChecko]

I agree and disagree with Raptor.

I disagree because I think that a handful of teams would trade for Rodgers despite a wild contract, though probably not the teams Rodgers would want to be traded to.

I agree because this contract is potentially the worst in the league--a gigantic potential albatross. The financial embodiment of player power. Rodgers has the team by the throat and can squeeze and release as he sees fit. I'm high key uncomfortable with it underneath my relief that something has finally been settled.

[Scott4Pack]

I agree and disagree with Raptor.

I disagree because I think that a handful of teams would trade for Rodgers despite a wild contract, though probably not the teams Rodgers would want to be traded to.

I agree because this contract is potentially the worst in the league--a gigantic potential albatross. The financial embodiment of player power. Rodgers has the team by the throat and can squeeze and release as he sees fit. I'm high key uncomfortable with it underneath my relief that something has finally been settled.

The one element we haven't really discussed much is the way the (anticipated) rising cap in the future years can absorb some of the pain from that contract. If a team did want to be crazy enough to trade for Aaron, they'd also be willing to take on that absorption over time.

And come to think of it, the Jets are still prone to doing crazy things. And how many teams feel they only lack a strong QB to have that "final piece" to their team? Oh yeah, Cleveland! :-)

[YoHoChecko]

The one element we haven't really discussed much is the way the (anticipated) rising cap in the future years can absorb some of the pain from that contract. If a team did want to be crazy enough to trade for Aaron, they'd also be willing to take on that absorption over time.

Honestly, the rising cap absorbing future pain is a HUGE part of my thinking, but I think we're all asking it to do a little too much lifting. If you backload contracts such that they rise in accordance with the rising cap, it works. If you backload contracts such that the first two years are very low cap and the 3rd year and beyond are very high cap, those leaps outstrip the cap growth.

We did this with our 4 acquisitions of the Smiths, Amos, and Turner, and now two of those didn't make it to year 4. Now MOST of that is because the cap declined 17 million from 2020 to 2021. But if we think we can use the rising cap for balloons for Rodgers, Bakhtiari, Adams, Clark, Jaire, Jenkins, Preston, etc... we're not seeing the end of this next round of contracts, either.

By the time the 2022 season starts we'll have the top paid QB, WR, and CB--three premiere positions. We'll have probably the 2nd or 3rd highest-paid LT, another premiere position (Trent Williams beat Bakh by $10,000 annually, which they joked about on twitter; Terron Armstead might top them both this spring). Kenny Clark currently sits at the 6th-highest paid at his position according to Spotrac.

Now, all of these guys deserve that status. They have the Pro Bowls and All Pros and MVPs to prove it. The fact that we have THIS MUCH elite talent is unreal. We're killing it talent-wise. But even a $270 million cap by 2025, which I expect, won't make it easy for us to absorb these things and keep any mid-level veteran contracts around like Preston and Campbell and Amos are for us now--a crucial class of team composition. It's really going to be wild.

I'm not necessarily concerned. But this Rodgers contract, depending on how it's executed and what he decides to do, has MAJOR "wreck the world" potential for us.

[salmar80]

The one element we haven't really discussed much is the way the (anticipated) rising cap in the future years can absorb some of the pain from that contract. If a team did want to be crazy enough to trade for Aaron, they'd also be willing to take on that absorption over time.

Honestly, the rising cap absorbing future pain is a HUGE part of my thinking, but I think we're all asking it to do a little too much lifting. If you backload contracts such that they rise in accordance with the rising cap, it works. If you backload contracts such that the first two years are very low cap and the 3rd year and beyond are very high cap, those leaps outstrip the cap growth.

We did this with our 4 acquisitions of the Smiths, Amos, and Turner, and now two of those didn't make it to year 4. Now MOST of that is because the cap declined 17 million from 2020 to 2021. But if we think we can use the rising cap for balloons for Rodgers, Bakhtiari, Adams, Clark, Jaire, Jenkins, Preston, etc... we're not seeing the end of this next round of contracts, either.

By the time the 2022 season starts we'll have the top paid QB, WR, and CB--three premiere positions. We'll have probably the 2nd or 3rd highest-paid LT, another premiere position (Trent Williams beat Bakh by $10,000 annually, which they joked about on twitter; Terron Armstead might top them both this spring). Kenny Clark currently sits at the 6th-highest paid at his position according to Spotrac.

Now, all of these guys deserve that status. They have the Pro Bowls and All Pros and MVPs to prove it. The fact that we have THIS MUCH elite talent is unreal. We're killing it talent-wise. But even a $270 million cap by 2025, which I expect, won't make it easy for us to absorb these things and keep any mid-level veteran contracts around like Preston and Campbell and Amos are for us now--a crucial class of team composition. It's really going to be wild.

I'm not necessarily concerned. But this Rodgers contract, depending on how it's executed and what he decides to do, has MAJOR "wreck the world" potential for us.

Had to bold that part.

We may not be as deep as in 2021, and could use some instant impact from the draft, but overall this roster is LOADED. A little bit of injury luck and we can do this.

I hate that AR has to be discussed again next offseason, but at least there's an exciting season with much winning ahead.

[Yoop]

5 active Aaron Rodgers threads, with a new one expected as soon as we find out that he shaves his body hair

seriously, we do love the drama, minus Rodgers and the clicks here could be counted the same ya count a revolving chamber on a Ruger super blackhawk 44 mag pistol, one click at a time

[RingoCStarrQB]

No offense to anyone and their personal ways of coping with the wasted draft pick of Love, but with this contract...it’s clear the team is only going to him in the future if something goes terribly wrong with 12.

Currently I really don't care what happens until it happens ............... For now I just want to sit on my 22 inch wide lower bowl aluminum bench seat (or stand if necessary) and enjoy the ambiance. Mostly looking forward to Leroy Butler's ceremony at Lambeau Field. Wondering if the kickoff will make it out of the back of the endzone or not. Also wondering if Special Teams will improve. Also wondering if AR will get injured. Also wondering if anyone on the Packers roster other than Kenny Clark is NFL defensive line quality. We so much miss guys like Gilbert Brown, Santana Dotson, Sean Jones, BJ Raji, Howard Green, Ryan Pickett ......... and even Grady Jackson, Aaron Kampman and KGB .

[Scott4Pack]

With the Adams trade in the rear view mirror now, have we re-signed Tonyan yet? And will he start the season healthy? I want him back! And I want one more TE to help, or bring Lewis back too!

[British]

The one element we haven't really discussed much is the way the (anticipated) rising cap in the future years can absorb some of the pain from that contract. If a team did want to be crazy enough to trade for Aaron, they'd also be willing to take on that absorption over time.

Honestly, the rising cap absorbing future pain is a HUGE part of my thinking, but I think we're all asking it to do a little too much lifting. If you backload contracts such that they rise in accordance with the rising cap, it works. If you backload contracts such that the first two years are very low cap and the 3rd year and beyond are very high cap, those leaps outstrip the cap growth.

We did this with our 4 acquisitions of the Smiths, Amos, and Turner, and now two of those didn't make it to year 4. Now MOST of that is because the cap declined 17 million from 2020 to 2021. But if we think we can use the rising cap for balloons for Rodgers, Bakhtiari, Adams, Clark, Jaire, Jenkins, Preston, etc... we're not seeing the end of this next round of contracts, either.

By the time the 2022 season starts we'll have the top paid QB, WR, and CB--three premiere positions. We'll have probably the 2nd or 3rd highest-paid LT, another premiere position (Trent Williams beat Bakh by $10,000 annually, which they joked about on twitter; Terron Armstead might top them both this spring). Kenny Clark currently sits at the 6th-highest paid at his position according to Spotrac.

Now, all of these guys deserve that status. They have the Pro Bowls and All Pros and MVPs to prove it. The fact that we have THIS MUCH elite talent is unreal. We're killing it talent-wise. But even a $270 million cap by 2025, which I expect, won't make it easy for us to absorb these things and keep any mid-level veteran contracts around like Preston and Campbell and Amos are for us now--a crucial class of team composition. It's really going to be wild.

I'm not necessarily concerned. But this Rodgers contract, depending on how it's executed and what he decides to do, has MAJOR "wreck the world" potential for us.

For me the Rodgers contract feels scarier in the context of the Packers and he being in conflict for the past 12 months.

It seems like a weapon which Gute has handed to his opponent.

But the way it's structured may actually be a path to both sides putting their trust in each other. It's an agreement that they're in this together now.

I've never bought the retirement talk from Rodgers, it was always a leverage play imo and he's often talked about wanting to play into his 40s.

With him more involved, I see no outcome where he retires after one year, and it seems likely to me he plays here for at least three.

Like Brady in Tampa, and Peyton in Denver, the Packers and Rodgers are now a unified single entity focused all about winning one more ring with Rodgers.

It's no longer about a smooth transition to the next QB, which seemed like a reasonable long term goal when Love was picked considering the slide in 12's performance.

The future transition will now be much more sudden when it comes, but that seems the sensible approach anyway if we want a high pick to draft his successor. And for however long he's playing we'll likely be SB contenders.