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Honestly I feel I am in the minority of Packers fans and their outlook on our Oline. I wasn't that impressed last year and I think Myers and Newman were the clear weak links. I think we can easily upgrade over Newman.
But Rhyan can be a Tackle. He has long enough arms.
My guess is they start Rhyan at RT but eventually try him at RG when Jenkins come back.
I think we all agree about Newman, but we also expect him to improve with experience and offseason work.
Honestly I feel I am in the minority of Packers fans and their outlook on our Oline. I wasn't that impressed last year and I think Myers and Newman were the clear weak links. I think we can easily upgrade over Newman.
But Rhyan can be a Tackle. He has long enough arms.
My guess is they start Rhyan at RT but eventually try him at RG when Jenkins come back.
I am 100% with you. I thought our run blocking was flat out bad last year. I get we were missing 2 all pros, but that ain’t Bak’s strength, but other than that are relying on the same young guys who weren’t very good last year.
I don't like it. You don't pick a 3rd rounder for depth at a position group that is already pretty good (if Bak comes back well from the knee after another offseason). Maybe this is a sign Bak isn't doing well and the plan is to put him at guard and Jenkins at LT?
Hypothetically:
Bak - Jenkins - Myers - Runyan - Rhyan
or
Jenkins - Runyan - Myers - Rhyan - Nijman
Or the most obvious:
Bakh - Runyan - Myers - Rhyan - Jenkins
Yes, the most obvious. But don't count out Newman, he got better later in the season. He won't be a rookie anymore.
If Rhyan can back up both guards and RT and sits until mid season, that is enough for a rookie.
So far Gute is filling in a lot of holes: WR, LB, DT and now OL.
Rhyan should fit right in.
I know nothing about the guy, but sure do trust our OL scouting staff. The guys have gone above and beyond finding fitting talent. For a position group comprising 5/22 of starters on a team, gotta keep picking them year after year.
And yes, if you wanted a need-filling draft, this should be your jam. Maybe not in your preferred order, but anyways. If we add DB, another WR and edge (though Wyatt maybe can do some of that) and STs, that's ALL the holes filled.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Thick, decently powerful blocker who excels in the run game and has glimpses of strong play in pass pro. Punch is accurate. Routinely gets his hands inside to control the defender's body. Athleticism is good, not great. Has NFL offensive tackle size and length. Plenty experienced on the edge. Anchor is solid. Has some upside because of his athleticism and natural power.
Weaknesses:
Opens the gate too early in his kick slide and gets out over his feet too frequently, leading to off-balanced reps. Happens a bit too often when climbing to the second level, too. Not on the ground a ton, but often doesn't have a sturdy base underneath him. Susceptible to counters because he sometimes stops his feet during the play.
Accolades:
2021: All-Pac-12 first team (coaches)
Stared 31 games in past three seasons
Rhyan was a top-60 overall recruit out of San Juan Hills in California, earning first-team all-state and Los Angeles Times All-Star notice. He set the school records in the shot put and discus for the track squad and qualified to be a part of the high school feeder program for the Olympic rugby team. His future is clearly in football, however, as he showed by garnering Freshman All-American honors as a 12-game starter for the Bruins in 2019. He started all seven games at left tackle in 2020 and all 12 at that position in 2021, receiving first-team All-Pac-12 recognition for his efforts. -- by Chad Reuter
Analysis
By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
Draft Projection
Round 4
Overview
Three-year starter with the potential to offer team options at either tackle or guard. Rhyan has good size and plays with fairly explosive short-area movements, helping him establish early success getting into run-blocking fits. He's fundamentally sound as a run blocker but a fear of getting beat by speed might play into issues over-setting and giving away too many pressures from inside moves and counters. He has the hand usage, bend and build to transition to guard. Plus, his pass protection experience at tackle combined with dual-position roster flexibility should add to his draft standing and improve his chances of becoming an eventual starter.
Strengths
Has three years of left tackle experience.
Offers guard talent with tackle potential in a pinch.
Proportional mass with good wingspan and enormous hands.
Adequate knee bend in his pass sets.
Able to stay square and pop with his punch.
Footwork for short or long pull blocking.
Operates with good hand accuracy and pop.
Accelerates through the down block with force.
Hand placement allows for better push and block-steering.
Adjusts assignments quickly to moving fronts.
Weaknesses
Too many false start penalties.
Narrows his drive-blocking base.
Needs to stay under his pads for better balance.
Below-average recovery talent.
Punch is a little monotonous and can be timed.
Over-setting gets him countered by inside moves.
Average arm extension to redirect his edge.
Sources Tell Us
"I would let him work at tackle and then fail him inside if he couldn't do it, but I see him as a right tackle early in his career." -- Scout for AFC team
Rhyan aligns at left tackle for the Bruins’ spread offense. He is a very good athlete with regard to quickness, mobility, and body control. In the run game, he comes off the ball hard to generate vertical movement. He effortlessly gets out of his stance and can get to the edge and reach block an end. He plays with good natural leverage and has good body flexibility in his hips and ankles. He is a very good helper on combo blocks and easily gets to the second level. In the passing game, he has powerful and explosive hands in his punch. His lack of ideal length on the perimeter can give him issues against longer defensive linemen. He is fluid moving laterally when handling the cross face by defenders. He plays with good balance and is rarely on the ground. In the NFL, while some may try him at tackle, I believe his skill set is better suited at guard. He lacks the ideal length and this will give him issues in the NFL at tackle but he should grow to be an exceptional guard.
Ideal Role: Eventual NFL starter
Scheme Fit: He can play in any scheme but would excel in a power run scheme
FILM EVALUATION
Written by Drae Harris
Games watched: USC (2020), Washington (2021), Arizona (2021), Fresno State (2021), LSU (2021)
Best Game Studied: Fresno State (2021)
Worst Game Studied: LSU (2021)
Balance: He plays the game with good balance when he is in his pass set and as a run blocker. He rarely has a rep where he’s in compromising positions and ends up on the ground. His ability to bend well helps him get his body in advantageous positions.
Pass Set: He demonstrates good ability in his pass set. He is fluid and easily redirects laterally. There is very little wasted movement in his set and this will only be magnified if moved to guard.
Competitive toughness: He has good competitive toughness. This is evident in his nastiness and finish in the run game. He also competes hard when he is bull rushed and does a good job anchoring.
Lateral Mobility: He is exceptional at moving laterally. He is fluid and easily reacts to the cross face with efficiency. He can also get to cut-off when he is on the backside of run plays.
Length: He lacks the ideal length for the tackle position. While he is a good enough athlete to survive at tackle, longer defensive linemen will give him problems on the perimeter. However, if moved inside to guard, this isn’t that big of a concern.
Football IQ: He has a high-level football IQ. He will have no issues handling the responsibilities of an interior offensive lineman. His instincts will help him handle the speed of the game for an interior player.
Hand Technique: His hands and punch are exceptional. He has very good timing and an explosive upper body. Although his lack of ideal length sometimes gets him in compromising positions.
Anchor: He has a very good anchor. He has good power in his body and easily sits in the chair to anchor against bull rushers. He also bends well, which assists him in his ability to anchor.
Power at POA: He has excellent power at the POA, particularly in his punch when he is in his pass set. However, you can also see his power when generating vertical movement in the run game.
Versatility: He has aligned at tackle during his career. However, he is likely best suited at right tackle or inside at guard. His skill will easily translate inside and he should have no problems on the interior.
SCOUT GRADES
TDN Consensus: 80.50/100 (Second Round Value)
Crabbs Grade: 78.50/100
Marino Grade: 79.50/100
Harris Grade: 81.00/100
Sanchez Grade: 81.00/100
Weissman Grade: 82.00/100
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
Honestly I feel I am in the minority of Packers fans and their outlook on our Oline. I wasn't that impressed last year and I think Myers and Newman were the clear weak links. I think we can easily upgrade over Newman.
But Rhyan can be a Tackle. He has long enough arms.
My guess is they start Rhyan at RT but eventually try him at RG when Jenkins come back.
Newman struggled at times as a 4th-round rookie so we are going to fix that by replacing him with a 3rd-round rookie? I don't know why anyone sees an automatic starter here. I think Newman will make a jump as a second year player and I do not expect him to concede his role. I certainly think Rhyan will have a shot for a spot, but I definitely would not consider it obvious or likely without having even seen him on the field, yet.
From the pressers it sounds like Rhyan will get a first look at RT, while Tom will be considered for table bit more likely be inside.
No one committed to positions as strongly as, say, when they drafted Jenkins and said unanimously that they saw him as a guard to start with. But that was the impression I got from Jon-Eric, Gutey, and MLF
Honestly I feel I am in the minority of Packers fans and their outlook on our Oline. I wasn't that impressed last year and I think Myers and Newman were the clear weak links. I think we can easily upgrade over Newman.
But Rhyan can be a Tackle. He has long enough arms.
My guess is they start Rhyan at RT but eventually try him at RG when Jenkins come back.
Newman struggled at times as a 4th-round rookie so we are going to fix that by replacing him with a 3rd-round rookie? I don't know why anyone sees an automatic starter here. I think Newman will make a jump as a second year player and I do not expect him to concede his role. I certainly think Rhyan will have a shot for a spot, but I definitely would not consider it obvious or likely without having even seen him on the field, yet.
Ideally you don't draft players to be pegged as starter. You draft players to get in the system and compete. Having more volume and resources at a position just improves your odds you can be better.
Newman very well may start. But if he doesn't make that 2nd year leap, you at least increase your odds of someone behind him being able to do more with that position. A lot better having Rhyan there than having nobody behind Newman.
Honestly I feel I am in the minority of Packers fans and their outlook on our Oline. I wasn't that impressed last year and I think Myers and Newman were the clear weak links. I think we can easily upgrade over Newman.
But Rhyan can be a Tackle. He has long enough arms.
My guess is they start Rhyan at RT but eventually try him at RG when Jenkins come back.
Newman struggled at times as a 4th-round rookie so we are going to fix that by replacing him with a 3rd-round rookie? I don't know why anyone sees an automatic starter here. I think Newman will make a jump as a second year player and I do not expect him to concede his role. I certainly think Rhyan will have a shot for a spot, but I definitely would not consider it obvious or likely without having even seen him on the field, yet.
Ideally you don't draft players to be pegged as starter. You draft players to get in the system and compete. Having more volume and resources at a position just improves your odds you can be better.
Newman very well may start. But if he doesn't make that 2nd year leap, you at least increase your odds of someone behind him being able to do more with that position. A lot better having Rhyan there than having nobody behind Newman.
I agree with every word of that. My issue was not necessarily in the post I quoted but more throughout the thread.
First thing to buy. Winter coat.
Another OL with long hair.
