Jaire extended!

[BF004]

I laugh at people who say defense wins championships, because it just aint so,

But it really is, always has been the predominantly most important factor, continues to be today, I am sure it will continue indefinitely pending drastic rule changes.

[Yoop]

I laugh at people who say defense wins championships, because it just aint so,

But it really is, always has been the predominantly most important factor, continues to be today, I am sure it will continue indefinitely pending drastic rule changes.

ya don't need a top 5 defense to win PO games, until recently and even still we see shoot out games determine the outcome


our problem over the years is we simply had terrible defenses, I never said ya don't need at minimum a decent defense, as well as ST's, look how often we led in PO games and lost because one of those two units stunk or players from those squads literaly lost the damn game for us.

and just go look how long the 2010 defense, the one you claim won that SB, stayed top tier, 2 years, and you'll understand my point of view when this one declines to average in a couple years, thats why I'll put my money on offense, and specifically at QB and WR, just look at all the resources we've spent on defense the last 10 years, if we'd have bought a stud receiver to compliment Adams we'd probably have a couple more Lombardi's.

[Acrobat]

I laugh at people who say defense wins championships, because it just aint so,

But it really is, always has been the predominantly most important factor, continues to be today, I am sure it will continue indefinitely pending drastic rule changes.

ya don't need a top 5 defense to win PO games, until recently and even still we see shoot out games determine the outcome


our problem over the years is we simply had terrible defenses, I never said ya don't need at minimum a decent defense, as well as ST's, look how often we led in PO games and lost because one of those two units stunk or players from those squads literaly lost the damn game for us.

and just go look how long the 2010 defense, the one you claim won that SB, stayed top tier, 2 years, and you'll understand my point of view when this one declines to average in a couple years, thats why I'll put my money on offense, and specifically at QB and WR, just look at all the resources we've spent on defense the last 10 years, if we'd have bought a stud receiver to compliment Adams we'd probably have a couple more Lombardi's.

I thought we were talking about Championships. I don't know how you can't believe in "Defense Wins Championships" if you've watched 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls where the defense was the deciding factor in the game.

[Yoop]

But it really is, always has been the predominantly most important factor, continues to be today, I am sure it will continue indefinitely pending drastic rule changes.

ya don't need a top 5 defense to win PO games, until recently and even still we see shoot out games determine the outcome


our problem over the years is we simply had terrible defenses, I never said ya don't need at minimum a decent defense, as well as ST's, look how often we led in PO games and lost because one of those two units stunk or players from those squads literaly lost the damn game for us.

and just go look how long the 2010 defense, the one you claim won that SB, stayed top tier, 2 years, and you'll understand my point of view when this one declines to average in a couple years, thats why I'll put my money on offense, and specifically at QB and WR, just look at all the resources we've spent on defense the last 10 years, if we'd have bought a stud receiver to compliment Adams we'd probably have a couple more Lombardi's.

I thought we were talking about Championships. I don't know how you can't believe in "Defense Wins Championships" if you've watched 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls where the defense was the deciding factor in the game.

you mean these 3, looks like scoring was the deciding factor to me

Super Bowl Date Winner Loser
LVI Feb. 13, 2022 L.A. Rams 23 Cincinnati 20
LV Feb. 7, 2021 Tampa Bay 31 Kansas City 9
LIV Feb. 2, 2020 Kansas City 31 San Francisco 20
View 53 more rows

again all your defense needs to do is hold onto a lead, and not lose the game, we've has such poor defense over the years people see a good one and think thats what wins these games

[Acrobat]

ya don't need a top 5 defense to win PO games, until recently and even still we see shoot out games determine the outcome


our problem over the years is we simply had terrible defenses, I never said ya don't need at minimum a decent defense, as well as ST's, look how often we led in PO games and lost because one of those two units stunk or players from those squads literaly lost the damn game for us.

and just go look how long the 2010 defense, the one you claim won that SB, stayed top tier, 2 years, and you'll understand my point of view when this one declines to average in a couple years, thats why I'll put my money on offense, and specifically at QB and WR, just look at all the resources we've spent on defense the last 10 years, if we'd have bought a stud receiver to compliment Adams we'd probably have a couple more Lombardi's.

I thought we were talking about Championships. I don't know how you can't believe in "Defense Wins Championships" if you've watched 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls where the defense was the deciding factor in the game.

you mean these 3, looks like scoring was the deciding factor to me

Super Bowl Date Winner Loser
LVI Feb. 13, 2022 L.A. Rams 23 Cincinnati 20
LV Feb. 7, 2021 Tampa Bay 31 Kansas City 9
LIV Feb. 2, 2020 Kansas City 31 San Francisco 20
View 53 more rows

again all your defense needs to do is hold onto a lead, and not lose the game, we've has such poor defense over the years people see a good one and think thats what wins these games

I said 3 of the last 4. You didn't include New England beating the Rams. And yes, of the 3 you mentioned, Aaron Donald singlehandedly took that game over, but the even better example is Tampa holding Mahomes to 9 points.

[Drj820]

Some have won with offense, some with defense. Nobody wins with awful special teams

[YoHoChecko]

again all your defense needs to do is hold onto a lead, and not lose the game, we've has such poor defense over the years people see a good one and think thats what wins these games

Actually, given your description, what makes you think that’s easy? ALL you need to do is hold a lead? Against a desperate, losing, Super Bowl capable offense? ALL you need is to just stop them from scoring when they’re going to take risks, go for it on 4th downs, and play as of their legacies depend on it? ALL you need is to stop a usually elite QB, with a usually elite pass catcher, in a league designed for offense? That’s all?

Sounds like a tough assignment to me. Sounds like the sort of task that you can only pull off when your defense plays really sound, really good, high caliber defense.

[Yoop]

I thought we were talking about Championships. I don't know how you can't believe in "Defense Wins Championships" if you've watched 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls where the defense was the deciding factor in the game.

you mean these 3, looks like scoring was the deciding factor to me

Super Bowl Date Winner Loser
LVI Feb. 13, 2022 L.A. Rams 23 Cincinnati 20
LV Feb. 7, 2021 Tampa Bay 31 Kansas City 9
LIV Feb. 2, 2020 Kansas City 31 San Francisco 20
View 53 more rows

again all your defense needs to do is hold onto a lead, and not lose the game, we've has such poor defense over the years people see a good one and think thats what wins these games

I said 3 of the last 4. You didn't include New England beating the Rams. And yes, of the 3 you mentioned, Aaron Donald singlehandedly took that game over, but the even better example is Tampa holding Mahomes to 9 points.

cinnci still scored 20 pts, and the Rams didn't have a explosive offense, look at the other two, both KC and Tampa put up 31 pts, Tampa's defense stiffled the KC offense, still ya don't need a top 5 defense when your offense puts up 31 pts.

I'll take a top 5 offense and a defense and ST's unit thats a bit above average and bet I win most of the time, our problems have been that our offense has had to carry those two units for a decade, true our offensive production in PO games rarely equaled regular season production, but in several of our losses it did enough to win, it was st's or defense that let us down.

[Acrobat]

you mean these 3, looks like scoring was the deciding factor to me

Super Bowl Date Winner Loser
LVI Feb. 13, 2022 L.A. Rams 23 Cincinnati 20
LV Feb. 7, 2021 Tampa Bay 31 Kansas City 9
LIV Feb. 2, 2020 Kansas City 31 San Francisco 20
View 53 more rows

again all your defense needs to do is hold onto a lead, and not lose the game, we've has such poor defense over the years people see a good one and think thats what wins these games

I said 3 of the last 4. You didn't include New England beating the Rams. And yes, of the 3 you mentioned, Aaron Donald singlehandedly took that game over, but the even better example is Tampa holding Mahomes to 9 points.

cinnci still scored 20 pts, and the Rams didn't have a explosive offense, look at the other two, both KC and Tampa put up 31 pts, Tampa's defense stiffled the KC offense, still ya don't need a top 5 defense when your offense puts up 31 pts.

I'll take a top 5 offense and a defense and ST's unit thats a bit above average and bet I win most of the time, our problems have been that our offense has had to carry those two units for a decade, true our offensive production in PO games rarely equaled regular season production, but in several of our losses it did enough to win, it was st's or defense that let us down.

No. You simply can't analyze the TB/KC Super Bowl and try to argue that their offense is the main reason they won. If that's really your argument, then your entire standpoint is invalid.

[Yoop]

again all your defense needs to do is hold onto a lead, and not lose the game, we've has such poor defense over the years people see a good one and think thats what wins these games

Actually, given your description, what makes you think that’s easy? ALL you need to do is hold a lead? Against a desperate, losing, Super Bowl capable offense? ALL you need is to just stop them from scoring when they’re going to take risks, go for it on 4th downs, and play as of their legacies depend on it? ALL you need is to stop a usually elite QB, with a usually elite pass catcher, in a league designed for offense? That’s all?

Sounds like a tough assignment to me. Sounds like the sort of task that you can only pull off when your defense plays really sound, really good, high caliber defense.

till last year we really didn't have a coverage lber, and for years on end with Capers we had one position or another almost void of talent, we lost our 3 starting CB's in one season, our edge rushers often amounted to whom ever wasn't injured, often either of Perry or Mathews, Peppers was the most consistent of that group for his 2 seasons, but rarely all 3, our defense over the years has been a walking mash unit, and in the bottom third of the league against both the run and the pass, simply just a little better, and we probably win some of those games

[Yoop]

I said 3 of the last 4. You didn't include New England beating the Rams. And yes, of the 3 you mentioned, Aaron Donald singlehandedly took that game over, but the even better example is Tampa holding Mahomes to 9 points.

cinnci still scored 20 pts, and the Rams didn't have a explosive offense, look at the other two, both KC and Tampa put up 31 pts, Tampa's defense stiffled the KC offense, still ya don't need a top 5 defense when your offense puts up 31 pts.

I'll take a top 5 offense and a defense and ST's unit thats a bit above average and bet I win most of the time, our problems have been that our offense has had to carry those two units for a decade, true our offensive production in PO games rarely equaled regular season production, but in several of our losses it did enough to win, it was st's or defense that let us down.

No. You simply can't analyze the TB/KC Super Bowl and try to argue that their offense is the main reason they won. If that's really your argument, then your entire standpoint is invalid.

sure I can, Brady and that offense scored 31 pts, yes the Tampa defense held KC to 9 points, but even if they gave up 30 points the offense still pulled out a victory.

I admit a great defense is going to make it hard to over come, even insurmountable , but you can count those type defenses on one hand till just a few years ago, the increase of run ratio to pass has increased the need for better defense, the nfl is always evolving, again though just watch, we'll peak this year, and maybe next, after that our defense will be on the decline, think it cost a lot for a QB, WR's, just try keeping a expensive defense together

[APB]

I continue to be amazed with some of y’alls insistence on arguing in absolutes.

Spoiler

It can be offense or defense, although a good combination of both is typically what wins championships.

[Captain_Ben]

It's interesting to me to think about what type of team you'd rather have going into the postseason, if given the choice between 2 options-

1. Team with "above average" to "good" offense and an "elite" defense.

or

2. Team with "elite" offense and "above average" to "good" defense.

I'd be inclined to pick #1. Not to say that you can't win it all with #2.

[Crazylegs Starks]

@Yoop reading @BF004's post.

Ha! Baby Billy is my favorite character on TRG

[Madcity_matt]

Or maybe it's which phase is your weakest link.