Cheese Curds - News Around The League 2022

[Yoop]

the Dollar amount of player contracts, specially top tier players, signals player value across the league to peers at that position, it's all about status quo, sure they'd like to play in 60 degree weather, maybe a dome, but thats secondary to status and recognition.

about the same in any career, money talks.

[lupedafiasco]

the Dollar amount of player contracts, specially top tier players, signals player value across the league to peers at that position, it's all about status quo, sure they'd like to play in 60 degree weather, maybe a dome, but thats secondary to status and recognition.

about the same in any career, money talks.

It’s the same in any career. No matter what the job is people are going to demand what is industry standard. Yoho is living in a fantasy world.

[Drj820]

Some are going to blame the player no matter what, some will blame the org, some will be nuanced. My position is as follows:

1) The Packers have to pay Rodgers what he wants, they would have sucked for a lot of the years that they were decent without him.

2) Rodgers shouldn’t be blamed for taking what he’s worth

3) Rodgers is very talented, but he barely a champ. He tucks n runs, doesn’t inspire greatness, and shirks blame when things go south. That’s on Rodgers. Talented, but no GOAT or Brady or even Big Ben.

4) the org got fat n happy for many years with Rodgers as their QB. He covered for a multitude of their sins. They were content to win the division and get booted eventually.

5) during this time Brady would have been threatening the org, Rodgers sat quiet and took his check.

6) Rodgers is barely a team sports champ, the org whiffed time after time on defenders in the draft and let bad STs sabotage the season year after year

7) Rodgers and Org should both be ashamed of themselves for this. Rodgers and Org both may not care because they both got very rich and stayed employed during this relationship.

[YoHoChecko]

It’s the same in any career. No matter what the job is people are going to demand what is industry standard. Yoho is living in a fantasy world.

Your issue is the continued insistence that the scenario of a top-notch QB compares to literally any other situation or career.

You also have no comprehension of my repeated ambivalence to the choices Rodgers makes in this regard. I'm telling you: I am a happy fan. I am not someone constantly trying to figure out what's going wrong. I think things are going great. I am overjoyed to be a fan of this organization and have enjoyed the winning eras brought to us by Favre and Rodgers "despite" the "lack" of championships. Some would say I've settled for mediocrity, but we aren't mediocre. We're an elite franchise with a ton of pride and history and experiences and games and competitions worth celebrating year after year. I would LOVE to have more Super Bowl seasons in my fandom. It would be great. But I am not bitter or angry that we don't. I am not living ina fantasy. I am analyszing choices.


The only point I'm making is that Rodgers has a clear choice. The evidence is fairly clear (any Super Bowl sample size will be too small to matter conclusively, especially limiting it to a specific era of football). I'm just putting it out there, for all those people trying to figure out why Rodgers doesn't have more rings: the answer is that it's because Rodgers has been playing on an elite-level contract since 2013 and it is abundantly clear that having a QB that is paid elite money dramatically decreases your chances to win a Super Bowl.

Rodgers can choose to emulate Brady or to earn top dollar. He can't choose both. That's the only point I'm making. I'm not bitter about it. I'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't do anything. It's just an objective analysis of football right now. I could dig deep into it and look at all the Super Bowl winners and the percentages of the cap the position accounted for the winning year and a year before, two years before, etc (because having a lag would impact the ability to build the team around them, while after-the-win would have no impact on the ability to win the previous year). But I'm too lazy to do that because the answers are pretty obvious.

Mahomes on a rookie deal. Wilson on a rookie deal. Tom Brady on discounted deal. Tom Brady on a discounted deal. Tom Brady on a discounted deal. Tom Brady on a discounted deal. Stafford at $20M cap charge after a trade reduced his impact. Nick Foles and Carson Wentz on bac-up/rookie deals. Peyton Manning on an old-timer's deal.

That's who wins. Nick Foles and Carson Wentz are the only surefire non- hall of famers. Stafford is the only marginal case. Manning is the only one whose contract could arguably have been considered high, but it was still easily below the top notch.

What's the debate? Top QBs. Middle prices. That's the ticket.

[Realist]

It’s the same in any career. No matter what the job is people are going to demand what is industry standard. Yoho is living in a fantasy world.

Your issue is the continued insistence that the scenario of a top-notch QB compares to literally any other situation or career.

You also have no comprehension of my repeated ambivalence to the choices Rodgers makes in this regard. I'm telling you: I am a happy fan. I am not someone constantly trying to figure out what's going wrong. I think things are going great. I am overjoyed to be a fan of this organization and have enjoyed the winning eras brought to us by Favre and Rodgers "despite" the "lack" of championships. Some would say I've settled for mediocrity, but we aren't mediocre. We're an elite franchise with a ton of pride and history and experiences and games and competitions worth celebrating year after year. I would LOVE to have more Super Bowl seasons in my fandom. It would be great. But I am not bitter or angry that we don't. I am not living ina fantasy. I am analyszing choices.


The only point I'm making is that Rodgers has a clear choice. The evidence is fairly clear (any Super Bowl sample size will be too small to matter conclusively, especially limiting it to a specific era of football). I'm just putting it out there, for all those people trying to figure out why Rodgers doesn't have more rings: the answer is that it's because Rodgers has been playing on an elite-level contract since 2013 and it is abundantly clear that having a QB that is paid elite money dramatically decreases your chances to win a Super Bowl.

Rodgers can choose to emulate Brady or to earn top dollar. He can't choose both. That's the only point I'm making. I'm not bitter about it. I'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't do anything. It's just an objective analysis of football right now. I could dig deep into it and look at all the Super Bowl winners and the percentages of the cap the position accounted for the winning year and a year before, two years before, etc (because having a lag would impact the ability to build the team around them, while after-the-win would have no impact on the ability to win the previous year). But I'm too lazy to do that because the answers are pretty obvious.

Mahomes on a rookie deal. Wilson on a rookie deal. Tom Brady on discounted deal. Tom Brady on a discounted deal. Tom Brady on a discounted deal. Tom Brady on a discounted deal. Stafford at $20M cap charge after a trade reduced his impact. Nick Foles and Carson Wentz on bac-up/rookie deals. Peyton Manning on an old-timer's deal.

That's who wins. Nick Foles and Carson Wentz are the only surefire non- hall of famers. Stafford is the only marginal case. Manning is the only one whose contract could arguably have been considered high, but it was still easily below the top notch.

What's the debate? Top QBs. Middle prices. That's the ticket.

I dare someone to find a grammatical error in one of yoho's posts. They are so long its hard to get thru them without napping but damn this guy is well educated.

[YoHoChecko]

I dare someone to find a grammatical error in one of yoho's posts. They are so long its hard to get thru them without napping but damn this guy is well educated.

Eh, I just ran out of weed and can't get more until tomorrow.

[Yoop]

the Dollar amount of player contracts, specially top tier players, signals player value across the league to peers at that position, it's all about status quo, sure they'd like to play in 60 degree weather, maybe a dome, but thats secondary to status and recognition.

about the same in any career, money talks.

It’s the same in any career. No matter what the job is people are going to demand what is industry standard. Yoho is living in a fantasy world.

Yoho knows that Brady is about the only top tier QB thats taken less so the team could buy some talent, ya need some past success to stimulate that type of incentive, we'll never know now had we repeated in 2011 if Rodgers wouldn't have done the same as Brady, success builds confidence and the desire to repeat it, and that loss to the Giants in 2011 was a really rough one on Rodgers

[Yoop]

I dare someone to find a grammatical error in one of yoho's posts. They are so long its hard to get thru them without napping but damn this guy is well educated.

Eh, I just ran out of weed and can't get more until tomorrow.

Ohhh NO

Hey I love to read your post Yoho, the longer the better, if ya write a book, please auto my copy

[Drj820]

the Dollar amount of player contracts, specially top tier players, signals player value across the league to peers at that position, it's all about status quo, sure they'd like to play in 60 degree weather, maybe a dome, but thats secondary to status and recognition.

about the same in any career, money talks.

It’s the same in any career. No matter what the job is people are going to demand what is industry standard. Yoho is living in a fantasy world.

Yoho knows that Brady is about the only top tier QB thats taken less so the team could buy some talent, ya need some past success to stimulate that type of incentive, we'll never know now had we repeated in 2011 if Rodgers wouldn't have done the same as Brady, success builds confidence and the desire to repeat it, and that loss to the Giants in 2011 was a really rough one on Rodgers

Stafford just won a Súper bowl averaging 27m per year. Rodgers just demanded 50m per.

[Drj820]

I dare someone to find a grammatical error in one of yoho's posts. They are so long its hard to get thru them without napping but damn this guy is well educated.

Eh, I just ran out of weed and can't get more until tomorrow.

Ohhh NO

Hey I love to read your post Yoho, the longer the better, if ya write a book, please auto my copy

Yohos post are great but his mood, and aggressiveness is directly related to his weed supply. We need to find him a more consistent plug.

jk yoho

[YoHoChecko]

Stafford just won a Súper bowl averaging 27m per year. Rodgers just demanded 50m per.

Also, because Stafford was a trade acquisition, he cost the team he won with less than the average of his contract. He counted $20 million against the cap this year and int he prior years, the Rams were building a team around a Jared Goff-sized contract, not an elite contract. So the acquiring team actually had even more non-QB money to burn than the team who signed him to that contract. Stafford has an extension now, and it's pretty good but not elite-elite Let's see how the Rams fare moving forward.

[Drj820]

Stafford just won a Súper bowl averaging 27m per year. Rodgers just demanded 50m per.

Also, because Stafford was a trade acquisition, he cost the team he won with less than the average of his contract. He counted $20 million against the cap this year and int he prior years, the Rams were building a team around a Jared Goff-sized contract, not an elite contract. So the acquiring team actually had even more non-QB money to burn than the team who signed him to that contract. Stafford has an extension now, and it's pretty good but not elite-elite Let's see how the Rams fare moving forward.

Yeah but we All know if rodgers had been traded to the Rams he would have demanded a new restructured deal day one in the building. Nice of Stafford to play out his old deal and then make a deal for a new one.

[YoHoChecko]

Yohos post are great but his mood, and aggressiveness is directly related to his weed supply. We need to find him a more consistent plug.

jk yoho

It's just covid. Can't walk into a dispensary hemorrhaging viral load. Symptoms ended yesterday and quarantine is done tomorrow. Don't worry, y'all.

[YoHoChecko]

I hope y'all know I love it here. I rag lupe all the time, but I'm so glad he's back. I argue with yoop and drj all around the place, but I'm doing so in good fun. Value everyone's contributions and am super glad to have Packer/football discussion outlets, especially since working from home started and my work-sports friends aren't around just shooting the breeze anymore (they're Ravens/Commies fans anyway). I know sometimes it seems like I'm a serious stick in the mud, but I'm actually a jovial social butterfly and partier with friends who mostly don't give AF about sports. My written tone is not my personality. (I do love to argue vehemently irl, though; that part is real)

[YoHoChecko]

Kyle Fuller to the Ravens.

One less veteran CB who can play safety in a pinch on the market.

[APB]

Damn, they dropped the IR rules they had for 2020-2021

Looks like the league and players have come to some sort of compromise:

In an announcement Wednesday, a player designated for return from injured reserve must miss a minimum of four games.
Additional changes to the I.R. rule allow a team to designate for return up to eight players over the course of the season, and the same player can be activated two separate times, though that would count twice to the team's total of eight. Last season, a designated-for-return I.R. player only had to miss a minimum of three contests. On top of the changes for injured reserve, practice squad rosters were voted to stay at 16, and up to six veterans are still eligible to join each practice squad.

[salmar80]

Looks like the league and players have come to some sort of compromise:

In an announcement Wednesday, a player designated for return from injured reserve must miss a minimum of four games.
Additional changes to the I.R. rule allow a team to designate for return up to eight players over the course of the season, and the same player can be activated two separate times, though that would count twice to the team's total of eight. Last season, a designated-for-return I.R. player only had to miss a minimum of three contests. On top of the changes for injured reserve, practice squad rosters were voted to stay at 16, and up to six veterans are still eligible to join each practice squad.

Nice! Great that they didn't just go back to the old sucky rules.

4 games missed minimum is OK, it's a month-long injury. Usually if you have a minor injury that forces you miss less time than that, IR wouldn't be used anyways since it would be a week to week deal.

Love the large practice squads with vet spots. Nice to keep some low-end vets in the game instead of them having to go sell used cars and wait for a call. And some young UDFA -types take a long time to develop (see: Nijman, Yosh), now there's room to keep some purely developmental guys with no pressure on them to back anyone up.

[go pak go]

Damn, they dropped the IR rules they had for 2020-2021

Looks like the league and players have come to some sort of compromise:

In an announcement Wednesday, a player designated for return from injured reserve must miss a minimum of four games.
Additional changes to the I.R. rule allow a team to designate for return up to eight players over the course of the season, and the same player can be activated two separate times, though that would count twice to the team's total of eight. Last season, a designated-for-return I.R. player only had to miss a minimum of three contests. On top of the changes for injured reserve, practice squad rosters were voted to stay at 16, and up to six veterans are still eligible to join each practice squad.

Holy crap.

Way to go NFL!!! Great rule change indeed.

[salmar80]

TE David Njoku gets a 4-year $56.75 million contract to replace the franchise tag he was on. Per PFT, the deal includes $28 million in guaranteed money.

Sounds like a lot to me for a guy averaging 27 yds/game, and 3 tds/season during his career...

If Big Bob has a season resembling 2020, he'll be hella expensive to keep.

[go pak go]

TE David Njoku gets a 4-year $56.75 million contract to replace the franchise tag he was on. Per PFT, the deal includes $28 million in guaranteed money.

Sounds like a lot to me for a guy averaging 27 yds/game, and 3 tds/season during his career...

If Big Bob has a season resembling 2020, he'll be hella expensive to keep.

And honestly great for him. It won't be in a Packers uniform though.

I think our formula is actually okay of pluggin in the Dafneys and Tyler Davis's of the world.