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If I’m a league journeymen on a new team with a chance to be a teams top contributor and my New HC says he wishes I was there and issues a threat for guys that aren’t there the following week...I would show up and recomend others in my position to show up too.
I'm having two disconnects with you here.
The first disconnect is that you are assuming that Watkins never showed up last week, which we don't know to be true, aside from the word "still" in Ryan Woods' tweet. And you're assuming that his absence today was planned and intentional and that he is not one of the guys who had a travel issue. You're ignoring that the last time MLF was asked about Sammy Watkins, he said "Sammy's done a nice job. He's been here for the most part; he's not here today, but he's been here throughout the majority of this offseason."
So we have three data points:
1) MLF says "he's been here throughout the majority of the offseason (5 days earlier, Vrabel also said he was here doing all the workouts and conditioning and in the building, so you could even count that as an additional data point, but it seems to cover the same time period as MLF's statement).
2) He was not there on media availability day last week.
3) He was not here on the first day back from MDW this week.
So the first disconnect is that you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about Watkins' broader attendance record that I am not making.
Our second disconnect is that MLF is giving the same answer in every circumstance regarding voluntary offseason attendance. When someone gives the same answer in any circumstance, it is logically unsound to apply that statement to a specific circumstance at that moment.
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If I’m a league journeymen on a new team with a chance to be a teams top contributor and my New HC says he wishes I was there and issues a threat for guys that aren’t there the following week...I would show up and recomend others in my position to show up too.
I'm having two disconnects with you here.
The first disconnect is that you are assuming that Watkins never showed up last week, which we don't know to be true, aside from the word "still" in Ryan Woods' tweet. And you're assuming that his absence today was planned and intentional and that he is not one of the guys who had a travel issue. You're ignoring that the last time MLF was asked about Sammy Watkins, he said "Sammy's done a nice job. He's been here for the most part; he's not here today, but he's been here throughout the majority of this offseason."
So we have three data points:
1) MLF says "he's been here throughout the majority of the offseason (5 days earlier, Vrabel also said he was here doing all the workouts and conditioning and in the building, so you could even count that as an additional data point, but it seems to cover the same time period as MLF's statement).
2) He was not there on media availability day last week.
3) He was not here on the first day back from MDW this week.
So the first disconnect is that you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about Watkins' broader attendance record that I am not making.
Our second disconnect is that MLF is giving the same answer in every circumstance regarding voluntary offseason attendance. When someone gives the same answer in any circumstance, it is logically unsound to apply that statement to a specific circumstance at that moment.
My disconnect with you is that the tweet does say “still” not at practice, and Coach indicated he isnt happy guys aren’t there. If I was a new guy I would want to make the coach happy!
Simple concept. Does it mean he’s going to get cut?? No.
Is it a foreshadow of how seriously he takes his new job in GB? Possibly.
Watkins not being there is small potatoes compared to who else isn't.
David Bakhtiari. We see Tonyan, Hill and Jenkins working on rehab and running around looking good.
But Bakh is NOT back. And MLF said something about "hoping" that he would be ready for training camp. WTF? 9 months longer than the other 3 and he still can't be there for non-contact practice???
Watkins not being there is small potatoes compared to who else isn't.
David Bakhtiari. We see Tonyan, Hill and Jenkins working on rehab and running around looking good.
But Bakh is NOT back. And MLF said something about "hoping" that he would be ready for training camp. WTF? 9 months longer than the other 3 and he still can't be there for non-contact practice???
unless your installing a new offensive scheme then why worry if a vet isn't around, why have a tackle go through the motions he knows by heart, I can understand some of the angst with Watkins and new players, they stand the most to gain from OTA's, even so, WAtkins has been in GB a lot so he probably knows the play book anyway.
When a team wants to win a Súper bowl at all costs, their leaders come to OTAs
When a team is content to get paid, win a division, and get booted in the NFCCG or division round, their leaders practice golf in June, and don’t show up until it’s mandatory.
When a team wants to win a Súper bowl at all costs, their leaders come to OTAs
When a team is content to get paid, win a division, and get booted in the NFCCG or division round, their leaders practice golf in June, and don’t show up until it’s mandatory.
Just don’t act surprised come January!
thats bull crap and you know it, why don't ya look around the league, I bet a lot of teams veteran players skip OTA's, again it's diff. if your installing new schemes, which we are not, and any new wrinkles can be picked up in TC.
I think your upset because you want some sort of proof that everyone is healthy etc. that we didn't pay out bigly for a LT that may never play again, what actual good would come from knowledge like that now versus August, seriously are you just looking for something to complain about?
also you can be assured of one thing, these ota's will have nothing to do with us winning or losing a SB, your attempting to make a mountain out of a mole hill, cripes you act as though our players never come to Lambeau to work out in the off season, Watkins has been in town for over a month
The entirety of the 2021 Rams opted out of voluntary OTAs and minicamps.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
When a team wants to win a Súper bowl at all costs, their leaders come to OTAs
When a team is content to get paid, win a division, and get booted in the NFCCG or division round, their leaders practice golf in June, and don’t show up until it’s mandatory.
Just don’t act surprised come January!
thats bull crap and you know it, why don't ya look around the league, I bet a lot of teams veteran players skip OTA's, again it's diff. if your installing new schemes, which we are not, and any new wrinkles can be picked up in TC.
I think your upset because you want some sort of proof that everyone is healthy etc. that we didn't pay out bigly for a LT that may never play again, what actual good would come from knowledge like that now versus August, seriously are you just looking for something to complain about?
also you can be assured of one thing, these ota's will have nothing to do with us winning or losing a SB, your attempting to make a mountain out of a mole hill, cripes you act as though our players never come to Lambeau to work out in the off season, Watkins has been in town for over a month
I would hate to have our vets at OTAs. They'd take snaps away from young ones who do have to learn the playbook and work on basic things.
And the vets would benefit from it about as much as a Master of Spanish would from being forced to attend a beginner's Spanish course. Nada.
I get holding Bak out of OTA's 1000%, BUT...if we get closer to Training Camp and we hear words like "hope" or "progressing", then I think it's time to at least consider the possibility that Bak will not suit up this year and that something is majorly wrong with that knee. Hopefully a non-story though.
When a team wants to win a Súper bowl at all costs, their leaders come to OTAs
When a team is content to get paid, win a division, and get booted in the NFCCG or division round, their leaders practice golf in June, and don’t show up until it’s mandatory.
Just don’t act surprised come January!
thats bull crap and you know it, why don't ya look around the league, I bet a lot of teams veteran players skip OTA's, again it's diff. if your installing new schemes, which we are not, and any new wrinkles can be picked up in TC.
I think your upset because you want some sort of proof that everyone is healthy etc. that we didn't pay out bigly for a LT that may never play again, what actual good would come from knowledge like that now versus August, seriously are you just looking for something to complain about?
also you can be assured of one thing, these ota's will have nothing to do with us winning or losing a SB, your attempting to make a mountain out of a mole hill, cripes you act as though our players never come to Lambeau to work out in the off season, Watkins has been in town for over a month
I would hate to have our vets at OTAs. They'd take snaps away from young ones who do have to learn the playbook and work on basic things.
And the vets would benefit from it about as much as a Master of Spanish would from being forced to attend a beginner's Spanish course. Nada.
Just be there. Help the younger players. Do your rehab there. Be a teammate. If Tonyan, Hill and Jenkins ca be there doing their rehab, why can't Bakh? Those 3 are not taking snaps away from the young ones. Jenkins is a seasoned veteran now, if he can show up why can't Bakh?
Bakh has been there. The coaches talk about how great he is in the meeting rooms with these guys.
This is an issue if limited information. We know who is/isn’t there one day per week based on reporter observation in the outdoor practice field.
We know that this is how they gather attendance based on their numerous tweets about who they see/don’t see, and based on their numerous press conference questions in which they inquire as to who is/isn’t there. They aren’t handed a list. They don’t seem to have background info from off camera interviews or sources. They are simply observing the field one day per week, and reporting what they observe.
Then the fans think that’s the whole story. If you’re not outside that one day, you’re “not there” at all. But Jason Vrabel has praised the maturity and dedication of Watkins and his attitude in the building. Luke Butkus has praised Bakh‘s impact as a leader in the OLine room.
There’s obviously more to the attendance story than we can simply observe on the practice field once a week.
So on one hand there’s the disagreement over how much it matters if certain players attend. On the other hand there’s the truth that we barely have any idea who is at the facility and who is not. So we’re arguing over bad information. For me, that’s the main issue. We’re kvetching over things that might not even be the case.
I think you are getting some bad information Skeptic.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
I'm not worried about Bakh. If the org had reason to believe he might not be good to go, then I think they would have signed or drafted a LT for insurance, and we of course had more than enough draft capital to get a really good one. Yet, we didn't do either of those things -- not even a guy for depth behind Nijman.
He just needs to let his damn knee heal, not rush back like last time, which is also why he should probably stay with the rehab group for now.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
thats bull crap and you know it, why don't ya look around the league, I bet a lot of teams veteran players skip OTA's, again it's diff. if your installing new schemes, which we are not, and any new wrinkles can be picked up in TC.
I think your upset because you want some sort of proof that everyone is healthy etc. that we didn't pay out bigly for a LT that may never play again, what actual good would come from knowledge like that now versus August, seriously are you just looking for something to complain about?
also you can be assured of one thing, these ota's will have nothing to do with us winning or losing a SB, your attempting to make a mountain out of a mole hill, cripes you act as though our players never come to Lambeau to work out in the off season, Watkins has been in town for over a month
I would hate to have our vets at OTAs. They'd take snaps away from young ones who do have to learn the playbook and work on basic things.
And the vets would benefit from it about as much as a Master of Spanish would from being forced to attend a beginner's Spanish course. Nada.
Just be there. Help the younger players. Do your rehab there. Be a teammate. If Tonyan, Hill and Jenkins ca be there doing their rehab, why can't Bakh? Those 3 are not taking snaps away from the young ones. Jenkins is a seasoned veteran now, if he can show up why can't Bakh?
There are no fan cams for Bak to show off his beer guzzling skills at OTAs. Has he been spotted at Brewer games?
Hopefully this year Bahk can be working with the young guys/rehabbing/watching game film as opposed to popping wheelies and riding around on golf karts with 12
Hopefully this year Bahk can be working with the young guys/rehabbing/watching game film as opposed to popping wheelies and riding around on golf karts with 12
we have coaches to coach and we have players assigned golf cart duty
If Bahk can't play when the season starts then I'll complain, till then it's a waste of hot air
“We just thought that, yeah, this is a guy that’s played a lot of ball and it’s best to hold him from this portion of it,” LaFleur said.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
