Mark Murphy Announces Retirement Date

[Drj820]

I rebel against the dollar controlling so much of our lives and everything else, if all the nfl cares about is money and profits then I can't see it as sustainable, because the fan is left out in the cold, who cares if some sports analyst has no bed, or has to drive from Milwaukee because he couldn't book a flight to Austen Strable, what right does the NFL have to discriminate against the smaller city's who's economy's to some degree depend on revenue the team brings to businesses in the town and community? not to mention the fan enjoyment, you know, the people that supported there teams through thick and thin and who made the NFL profitable in the first place, greed is ruining this game.

It’s in the interest of the fan to put the draft somewhere that has tons of hotel options, cheaper flights to a major city, and no need to rent a car once the fan arrives at the airport of the major city.

If anyone wants to go visit Lambeau, (of which I highly recommend they do), they can do this at any time. No need to for it to be for a draft.

It can't just be about fans, and doubt that it is, it's about revenue, and over whelming greed from commercial TV.

GB can easily handle the draft, and most fans don't even wish to go, why should it be a thing that only 200 or 300K attend, why is it that some as yourself want to see record attendance, that benefits only the rich broadcast Co. and a few select city's, while the business owners in the other towns get nothing, doesn't seem fair or logical.

Paul Brown and George Hallas instituted profit sharing to keep the smaller city teams afloat, which actually amounted to keeping those small city's afloat, guess none of that matters any more.

I don’t necessarily care about draft attendance. I was speaking from the NFLS perspective. I took off my green glasses to inform you why the idea was rejected by the NFL. After all, they chose Detroit over GB for a reason.

[BF004]

Forum: "Hey NFL, some people think you make too much money and should do an event where you only make $50 million instead of $100 million."

NFL: "Yeah, tell them to go $%@# themselves"


And frankly they are not wrong.

Thats why it is silly for the NFL to do. It’s silly for a business to not maximize profit. Now, in terms of it being historic and cool...absolutely it would be historic and cool.

Thing is, I don't know if they would make less in Green Bay, historically high buyers, frequently has the player #1 in jersey sales and always super high in merchandizing. I mean the budget would be slashed by several millions of dollars just from costs around here.

[Yoop]

It’s in the interest of the fan to put the draft somewhere that has tons of hotel options, cheaper flights to a major city, and no need to rent a car once the fan arrives at the airport of the major city.

If anyone wants to go visit Lambeau, (of which I highly recommend they do), they can do this at any time. No need to for it to be for a draft.

It can't just be about fans, and doubt that it is, it's about revenue, and over whelming greed from commercial TV.

GB can easily handle the draft, and most fans don't even wish to go, why should it be a thing that only 200 or 300K attend, why is it that some as yourself want to see record attendance, that benefits only the rich broadcast Co. and a few select city's, while the business owners in the other towns get nothing, doesn't seem fair or logical.

Paul Brown and George Hallas instituted profit sharing to keep the smaller city teams afloat, which actually amounted to keeping those small city's afloat, guess none of that matters any more.

I don’t necessarily care about draft attendance. I was speaking from the NFLS perspective. I took off my green glasses to inform you why the idea was rejected by the NFL. After all, they chose Detroit over GB for a reason.

I know why it was rejected, GREED, why does the NFL need to max out profits? I always thought the reason for a league was to insure fairness to all teams, to protect all teams, and in the process help the city's the team played in, the goal is to make the teams profitable, when did leagues take on the moniker of a business, this is so cart before the horse

Team owners are mega rich, Billonaire's actually, same with the league, so for them to just break even on these events pushing the profits equally around the league wouldn't hurt there pocket book much at all.

your claim that fans don't want to put up with the hardship of traveling for a event, actually the fans been taking it up the ass for decades, the average Joe can't even afford to go to a game, just maybe the business end of this has hurt the fans.

[Yoop]

Forum: "Hey NFL, some people think you make too much money and should do an event where you only make $50 million instead of $100 million."

NFL: "Yeah, tell them to go $%@# themselves"


And frankly they are not wrong.

I really take exception to your line of thinking, since when does everything have to be run like a business? take a look at the situation in this country after a businessman tried to run it, not everything should depend on a profit line, people are more important then money, leagues should operate with a balanced profit margin, the goal of a league is to insure fairness to all that belong to the league, and 50 mil. in this conversation is a drop in the bucket, the league is worth about 20 billion, the owners about 5 to 10 bil each, and your idea is the league should be able to discriminate concerning these events over 50 million dollars? when ya think about it 50 mil is chump change to the league and owners, TV is the culprit here imo.

[lupedafiasco]

The only fair way to do draft locations is a lottery system and give more lottery balls in accordance to the division standings from best to worst.

It would incentivize winning and help prevent tanking to an extent. Project it outwards a few years to avoid scheduling issues.

As a fan of the Packers a GB draft location is awful. I wouldn’t go. There isn’t enough to do and the things that their are to do would be so overcrowded it would suck. How many people can fit in the Packers HoF building? The stadium tour would be packed. They have those what, 4 bars all right next to each other that would be insanely packed. I guess you have titletown district. I haven’t had a chance to see how that turned out. GB honestly couldn’t support a draft in the same way bigger cities can.

[BF004]

Very nicely developed the land around Lambeau, they had to buy a ton of land to do all their stuff, it has been a substantial improvement. I gotta say I was always leery of the sledding hill, but that thing is pretty cool, summer and winter, and the ice skating below is always so packed we've never gone, like 30 minute waiting lines just to get tickets. That whole area is just very cool to be honest.

Case and point, down at Hinterland for dinner, struggled to park, some like joint farmers market/craft fair down here, just packed, yet still pleasant down here, had to park at 1265.

[Drj820]

The only fair way to do draft locations is a lottery system and give more lottery balls in accordance to the division standings from best to worst.

It would incentivize winning and help prevent tanking to an extent. Project it outwards a few years to avoid scheduling issues.

As a fan of the Packers a GB draft location is awful. I wouldn’t go. There isn’t enough to do and the things that their are to do would be so overcrowded it would suck. How many people can fit in the Packers HoF building? The stadium tour would be packed. They have those what, 4 bars all right next to each other that would be insanely packed. I guess you have titletown district. I haven’t had a chance to see how that turned out. GB honestly couldn’t support a draft in the same way bigger cities can.

I like your lotto idea, and I agree with your fair analysis that objectively speaking, GB is an awful place for the league to host the draft. Asking what people would do during the day is something I hadn’t even thought of, but another reason GB is not prepared. It would be cool to host in theory, but anyone thinking about it fairly from the leagues perspective understands there at least 28 better locations around the league.

[Pckfn23]

4 bars all right next to each other.... Ya, ignorance is a good word to use to describe this statement. I think some of the younger crowd should actually go see a game and have some fun down there.

[Drj820]

4 bars all right next to each other.... Ya, ignorance is a good word to use to describe this statement. I think some of the younger crowd should actually go see a game and have some fun down there.

Take the green glasses off and stop being offended and calling people ignorant because the NFL doesnt think GB is a good place to host a draft.

[Pckfn23]

4 bars all right next to each other.... Ya, ignorance is a good word to use to describe this statement. I think some of the younger crowd should actually go see a game and have some fun down there.

Take the green glasses off and stop being offended and calling people ignorant because the NFL doesnt think GB is a good place to host a draft.

Offended? Not sure when I was offended... Are you offended by my use of the word ignorant? I think some statements recently have been the epitome of lack of knowledge. Or maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word? Maybe you are ignorant of the meaning of ignorance?

I mean, 4 bars around Lambeau... That takes a special kind of ignorance to type that:

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I am pretty sure I have been to at least 8 of those, plus a few not listed!

The NFL thought a different city was a better option, it did not say it was not a good place... Read into it what you want I guess. You are good at that.

[BF004]

4 bars all right next to each other.... Ya, ignorance is a good word to use to describe this statement. I think some of the younger crowd should actually go see a game and have some fun down there.

Take the green glasses off and stop being offended and calling people ignorant because the NFL doesnt think GB is a good place to host a draft.

But Green Bay is special, it wouldn’t be a normal draft experience compared to other big cities. Why does it need to be exactly like the other ones?

It would be unique. It would be silly to host a draft in little Green Bay, but again it’s silly to have an NFL team here too. But there is one and it is unrivaled and thriving.

[Drj820]

4 bars all right next to each other.... Ya, ignorance is a good word to use to describe this statement. I think some of the younger crowd should actually go see a game and have some fun down there.

Take the green glasses off and stop being offended and calling people ignorant because the NFL doesnt think GB is a good place to host a draft.

Offended? Not sure when I was offended... Are you offended by my use of the word ignorant? I think some statements recently have been the epitome of lack of knowledge. Or maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word? Maybe you are ignorant of the meaning of ignorance?

I mean, 4 bars around Lambeau... That takes a special kind of ignorance to type that:
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I am pretty sure I have been to at least 8 of those, plus a few not listed!

The NFL thought a different city was a better option, it did not say it was not a good place... Read into it what you want I guess. You are good at that.

Reading into something after gathering information is called drawing inferences. You might have a mental condition (notice i just said “might”, I’m not a real dr even tho my screen name may give that implication) that only allows you to see things that are plainly spelled out. That’s probably why you take everything said in press conferences at face value and take it as gospel.

The number of bars, 4 or even 20! Is irrelevant to the point that it is waaaaayy too few to entertain 3-600k people. Everyone here recognizes that but you harp on a semantic of a post that had many good points. This is your debate style tho.

Now, I do agree with BF that it would be cool for the history of GB to override the silliness of putting it in GB compared to other more suitable locations. He’s right, it would be cool and special.

I just don’t think the league sees the draft as a place to commemorate history. The draft was in one location for decades. They now use it to gather fans to places equipped to host. Of which, whether it’s 4 bars or 20, GB is not.

[Pckfn23]

I guess you are offended. Yikes!

Does the NFL also think the other cities that lost out to Detroit as bad or silly options? No. There is a big difference between inference and reading into something that is not there. I think you have me confused with someone else, though. I don't put much stock into what is said in press conferences.

Green Bay would not be as amenity rich as bigger cities, but that doesn't mean it would not be a decent place to host a draft. I have acknowledged the infrastructure challenges, but it is doable. The probably lies in the constant need for some to fall back to their hyperbole games then get offended when called out on it... There would be enough to do in and around Green Bay to host a Draft. The Super Bowl, probably not.

Frankly, it's obvious that some have not visited Lambeau at all or in a long time. I mean, my lord, the separate HoF building has not been a thing for 19 years. I seems like some think this is Shawano with a stadium. Murphy built up the area around the field quite well and the area could now offer enough to host the Draft. A 300-400k attendance would be doable and still be good for the NFL.

[Drj820]

I guess you are offended. Yikes!

Does the NFL also think the other cities that lost out to Detroit as bad or silly options? No. There is a big difference between inference and reading into something that is not there. I think you have me confused with someone else, though. I don't put much stock into what is said in press conferences.

Green Bay would not be as amenity rich as bigger cities, but that doesn't mean it would not be a decent place to host a draft. I have acknowledged the infrastructure challenges, but it is doable. The probably lies in the constant need for some to fall back to their hyperbole games then get offended when called out on it... There would be enough to do in and around Green Bay to host a Draft. The Super Bowl, probably not.

Frankly, it's obvious that some have not visited Lambeau at all or in a long time. I mean, my lord, the separate HoF building has not been a thing for 19 years. I seems like some think this is Shawano with a stadium. Murphy built up the area around the field quite well and the area could now offer enough to host the Draft. A 300-400k attendance would be doable and still be good for the NFL.

What is funny is you hold the record for being blocked by the most members, yet you still think its your job to call people out when they hold a different opinion from you.

My stance: 1) It would be a crowning achievement for Murphy to convince the NFL to host the draft in GB.
2) The NFL would have to buy in that history and how cool it would be would trump the other factors they have used to make the decision in the past
3) From a ease of access, things to do, amount of hotel rooms, etc etc perspective, GB is a silly place to host a draft. Not hyperbole, my opinion.

Now, I know you think your stock makes you a part of the organizations front office, but just let my opinion be my opinion. No need for you to call out anyone or anything, you just disagree.

[Pckfn23]

Man, you really are offended. I guess trying to have a discussion hit you the wrong way or the word ignorant did.

My stance:
Green Bay does have challenges with infrastructure and amenities, but not so much that it will not be overcome by history and nostalgia. It would be able to host a 300-400k attendance Draft, which would put it on par with past drafts. It would not lose the NFL money, although it would not maximize the profit potential. Green Bay hosting the Draft is no more silly than say Cleveland, Detroit, Cincinnati, etc...

FYI, no where did I say an opinion can not be had, but it seems that you believe others can't have an opposing opinion. I used the word ignorant because it seems some have not been to Green Bay in the last 10+ years as they are... Ignorant of what Green Bay looks like these days. Not sure why that would be offensive. There seems to be a bit of a double standard with how you perceive the way you approach a disagreement and others do. It's ok for you to have and express a differing opinion, but not ok for others to have and express a differing opinion. Isn't the point of a forum discussion??

[Yoop]

I guess you are offended. Yikes!

Does the NFL also think the other cities that lost out to Detroit as bad or silly options? No. There is a big difference between inference and reading into something that is not there. I think you have me confused with someone else, though. I don't put much stock into what is said in press conferences.

Green Bay would not be as amenity rich as bigger cities, but that doesn't mean it would not be a decent place to host a draft. I have acknowledged the infrastructure challenges, but it is doable. The probably lies in the constant need for some to fall back to their hyperbole games then get offended when called out on it... There would be enough to do in and around Green Bay to host a Draft. The Super Bowl, probably not.

Frankly, it's obvious that some have not visited Lambeau at all or in a long time. I mean, my lord, the separate HoF building has not been a thing for 19 years. I seems like some think this is Shawano with a stadium. Murphy built up the area around the field quite well and the area could now offer enough to host the Draft. A 300-400k attendance would be doable and still be good for the NFL.

What is funny is you hold the record for being blocked by the most members, yet you still think its your job to call people out when they hold a different opinion from you.

My stance: 1) It would be a crowning achievement for Murphy to convince the NFL to host the draft in GB.
2) The NFL would have to buy in that history and how cool it would be would trump the other factors they have used to make the decision in the past
3) From a ease of access, things to do, amount of hotel rooms, etc etc perspective, GB is a silly place to host a draft. Not hyperbole, my opinion.

Now, I know you think your stock makes you a part of the organizations front office, but just let my opinion be my opinion. No need for you to call out anyone or anything, you just disagree.

quit using sub titles, there isn't a damn thing silly about GB, whether you realize it or not prefixing your comment with SILLY is taken as a insult, at least to people from GB it is, it seems obvious you havn't been there, and not everyone needs to be entertained at a costly venue, it's not your opinion that upsets me, it's the way you express it

[NCF]

[mention]Drj820[/mention]

The thing that bothers me about some of your arguments is I am not entirely convinced it is different/better elsewhere. I haven't been to all the cities that have hosted, but using Nashville as an example, you have the strip where the event took place and that is basically it. That is less geographic real estate than Lambeau and the surrounding neighborhood bars. Hotels are not conveniently located to the strip in Nashville, so think taxis and Ubers unless you are going for a long walk. Then there had to be people staying in Brentwood and Hendersonville and some of the other suburbs. How is that much different than having tourists stay in Appleton for an event like this or surrounding cities?

I do have some concerns about the transportation infrastructure to handle this, but to me that seems to be the biggest hurdle because it's not like 600,000 people are stepping outside of their hotel rooms and The Draft is right outside. Just because it's a different city in Wisconsin doesn't mean the task is much different than the same larger city in some of these other regions. Obviously, I also understand the argument that here the draw would be The Draft festivities and Lambeau and that is it where in some of these other host cities there are plenty of other things to do/see.

[BF004]

I'd like it, because in the 3-4 years we'd have to prepare, hopefully they'd expand 41 between Appleton and GB to 4 lanes each way.


They could certainly make all kinds of custom arrangement with years to prepare as well. Hell, I'd be tempted to VRBO my house for a week for like 10K and go stay at my parents house and drive up for the draft.

[Drj820]

I'd like it, because in the 3-4 years we'd have to prepare, hopefully they'd expand 41 between Appleton and GB to 4 lanes each way.


They could certainly make all kinds of custom arrangement with years to prepare as well. Hell, I'd be tempted to VRBO my house for a week for like 10K and go stay at my parents house and drive up for the draft.

i think 10k for a house for a week to come to the draft is one reason it wouldnt be the best idea

That said, I understand your argument that is would be special and cool. I do think having years to plan would help. I dont think you are ignorant for having a different opinion than me.

[Drj820]

@Drj820

The thing that bothers me about some of your arguments is I am not entirely convinced it is different/better elsewhere. I haven't been to all the cities that have hosted, but using Nashville as an example, you have the strip where the event took place and that is basically it. That is less geographic real estate than Lambeau and the surrounding neighborhood bars. Hotels are not conveniently located to the strip in Nashville, so think taxis and Ubers unless you are going for a long walk. Then there had to be people staying in Brentwood and Hendersonville and some of the other suburbs. How is that much different than having tourists stay in Appleton for an event like this or surrounding cities?

I do have some concerns about the transportation infrastructure to handle this, but to me that seems to be the biggest hurdle because it's not like 600,000 people are stepping outside of their hotel rooms and The Draft is right outside. Just because it's a different city in Wisconsin doesn't mean the task is much different than the same larger city in some of these other regions. Obviously, I also understand the argument that here the draw would be The Draft festivities and Lambeau and that is it where in some of these other host cities there are plenty of other things to do/see.

I mean in Nashville the hotels are at least an affordable Uber away. There are tons of hotels in Nashville. My guess is all the people who flew into Nashville would be staying in Nashville proper. The people who drove would have more opportunities to stay further away, sure.

Also, I think for non GB people, getting to GB is actually a pretty big hurdle. I have been 3 times in the last 3 years and one time i drove 14 hours. The other two times i flew into Madison and drove up to GB from there. I dont think the GB airport could handle draft traffic so people would be flying into Madison or Chicago and then paying for a rental car, then paying for a place to stay on an extremely limited amount of supply compared to other places.

Is there another NFL market with as poor of an airport situation as GB? I think thats one major issue.

Again, is it possible...yes.

I just think it would primarily be for charity to GB, and also because it would be somewhat cool...even though I dont think the draft is that historic based on its location history.