Mark Murphy Announces Retirement Date

[Drj820]

I guess you are offended. Yikes!

Does the NFL also think the other cities that lost out to Detroit as bad or silly options? No. There is a big difference between inference and reading into something that is not there. I think you have me confused with someone else, though. I don't put much stock into what is said in press conferences.

Green Bay would not be as amenity rich as bigger cities, but that doesn't mean it would not be a decent place to host a draft. I have acknowledged the infrastructure challenges, but it is doable. The probably lies in the constant need for some to fall back to their hyperbole games then get offended when called out on it... There would be enough to do in and around Green Bay to host a Draft. The Super Bowl, probably not.

Frankly, it's obvious that some have not visited Lambeau at all or in a long time. I mean, my lord, the separate HoF building has not been a thing for 19 years. I seems like some think this is Shawano with a stadium. Murphy built up the area around the field quite well and the area could now offer enough to host the Draft. A 300-400k attendance would be doable and still be good for the NFL.

What is funny is you hold the record for being blocked by the most members, yet you still think its your job to call people out when they hold a different opinion from you.

My stance: 1) It would be a crowning achievement for Murphy to convince the NFL to host the draft in GB.
2) The NFL would have to buy in that history and how cool it would be would trump the other factors they have used to make the decision in the past
3) From a ease of access, things to do, amount of hotel rooms, etc etc perspective, GB is a silly place to host a draft. Not hyperbole, my opinion.

Now, I know you think your stock makes you a part of the organizations front office, but just let my opinion be my opinion. No need for you to call out anyone or anything, you just disagree.

quit using sub titles, there isn't a damn thing silly about GB, whether you realize it or not prefixing your comment with SILLY is taken as a insult, at least to people from GB it is, it seems obvious you havn't been there, and not everyone needs to be entertained at a costly venue, it's not your opinion that upsets me, it's the way you express it

LOL

[RingoCStarrQB]

I'd like it, because in the 3-4 years we'd have to prepare, hopefully they'd expand 41 between Appleton and GB to 4 lanes each way.


They could certainly make all kinds of custom arrangement with years to prepare as well. Hell, I'd be tempted to VRBO my house for a week for like 10K and go stay at my parents house and drive up for the draft.

Expanding HWY41 to 4 lanes between MKE and Green Bay should have been in the conversation 30 years ago when the writing was on the wall to move the Gold Package games to Green Bay. Just another textbook case of incomplete government planning at the various levels. Brown County did the best it could do at the time of the 1997 stock sale. Did much happen at the state level to help the Packers?

[Acrobat]

@Drj820

The thing that bothers me about some of your arguments is I am not entirely convinced it is different/better elsewhere. I haven't been to all the cities that have hosted, but using Nashville as an example, you have the strip where the event took place and that is basically it. That is less geographic real estate than Lambeau and the surrounding neighborhood bars. Hotels are not conveniently located to the strip in Nashville, so think taxis and Ubers unless you are going for a long walk. Then there had to be people staying in Brentwood and Hendersonville and some of the other suburbs. How is that much different than having tourists stay in Appleton for an event like this or surrounding cities?

I do have some concerns about the transportation infrastructure to handle this, but to me that seems to be the biggest hurdle because it's not like 600,000 people are stepping outside of their hotel rooms and The Draft is right outside. Just because it's a different city in Wisconsin doesn't mean the task is much different than the same larger city in some of these other regions. Obviously, I also understand the argument that here the draw would be The Draft festivities and Lambeau and that is it where in some of these other host cities there are plenty of other things to do/see.

I mean in Nashville the hotels are at least an affordable Uber away. There are tons of hotels in Nashville. My guess is all the people who flew into Nashville would be staying in Nashville proper. The people who drove would have more opportunities to stay further away, sure.

Also, I think for non GB people, getting to GB is actually a pretty big hurdle. I have been 3 times in the last 3 years and one time i drove 14 hours. The other two times i flew into Madison and drove up to GB from there. I dont think the GB airport could handle draft traffic so people would be flying into Madison or Chicago and then paying for a rental car, then paying for a place to stay on an extremely limited amount of supply compared to other places.

Is there another NFL market with as poor of an airport situation as GB? I think thats one major issue.

Again, is it possible...yes.

I just think it would primarily be for charity to GB, and also because it would be somewhat cool...even though I dont think the draft is that historic based on its location history.

Between GB, Appleton, and Milwaukee airports, it could definitely handle the traffic.

As BF004 said, I'd be more concerned with Hwy 41 from Appleton to GB. If even one person gets pulled over or if there's an accident, you're screwed.

[Acrobat]

I'd like it, because in the 3-4 years we'd have to prepare, hopefully they'd expand 41 between Appleton and GB to 4 lanes each way.


They could certainly make all kinds of custom arrangement with years to prepare as well. Hell, I'd be tempted to VRBO my house for a week for like 10K and go stay at my parents house and drive up for the draft.

Expanding HWY41 to 4 lanes between MKE and Green Bay should have been in the conversation 30 years ago when the writing was on the wall to move to Gold Package games to Green Bay. Just another textbook case of incomplete government planning at the various levels. Brown County did the best it could do at the time of the 1997 stock sale. Did much happen at the state level to help the Packers?

It's more than just the Packers, the amount of commuting for work and population increases has made it necessary.

[BF004]

I'd like it, because in the 3-4 years we'd have to prepare, hopefully they'd expand 41 between Appleton and GB to 4 lanes each way.


They could certainly make all kinds of custom arrangement with years to prepare as well. Hell, I'd be tempted to VRBO my house for a week for like 10K and go stay at my parents house and drive up for the draft.

i think 10k for a house for a week to come to the draft is one reason it wouldnt be the best idea

That said, I understand your argument that is would be special and cool. I do think having years to plan would help. I dont think you are ignorant for having a different opinion than me.

Well first off, i completely made up 10k, and what do you think it would cost to house 12 adults for a week in Detroit? Guessing it would be more there still.

[Drj820]

I'd like it, because in the 3-4 years we'd have to prepare, hopefully they'd expand 41 between Appleton and GB to 4 lanes each way.


They could certainly make all kinds of custom arrangement with years to prepare as well. Hell, I'd be tempted to VRBO my house for a week for like 10K and go stay at my parents house and drive up for the draft.

i think 10k for a house for a week to come to the draft is one reason it wouldnt be the best idea

That said, I understand your argument that is would be special and cool. I do think having years to plan would help. I dont think you are ignorant for having a different opinion than me.

Well first off, i completely made up 10k, and what do you think it would cost to house 12 adults for a week in Detroit? Guessing it would be more there still.

I would stay/squat in one of the many abandoned buildings in Detroit before I paid 10k for housing for a week

[go pak go]

There will be a day Green Bay hosts the draft. I'm very confident in that.

The area surrounding the stadium is perfect for it. Getting people to GB can be helped with shuttles to reduce traffic. Also lets people drink without worrying about driving.

If Sturgis SD can host multi 100,000's and even million people events....GB can handle a 300,000 person NFL draft.

[RingoCStarrQB]

There will be a day Green Bay hosts the draft. I'm very confident in that.

The area surrounding the stadium is perfect for it. Getting people to GB can be helped with shuttles to reduce traffic. Also lets people drink without worrying about driving.

If Sturgis SD can host multi 100,000's and even million people events....GB can handle a 300,000 person NFL draft.

I'm still trying to figure out where this supposed 300,000 to 600,000 threshold or objective even came from. 80,000 should suffice so the event could be held inside Lambeau Field. If not........hold parallel remote sessions Deer District style. This is not too hard to fathom, duh!

I participated in one draft event ........... the Seattle Supersonics at one of the downtown theatres. Totally boring ..... waste of time. Like I said earlier ......... just draft 'em and print it in the next morning's sport page.

[wallyuwl]

Between GB, Appleton, and Milwaukee airports, it could definitely handle the traffic.

As BF004 said, I'd be more concerned with Hwy 41 from Appleton to GB. If even one person gets pulled over or if there's an accident, you're screwed.

Don't forget the Oshkosh airport. It is the busiest airport in the world every year for a week during EAA.

Interstate 43 along Lake Michigan is a more direct route. It is 2 lanes each way. It is generally a fairly lightly traveled interstate.

Interstate 41 is 2 lanes each way from Milwaukee to Oshkosh, then three through Appleton, then two to De Pere (southern suburbs of GB). Between Appleton and DePere is set to become three lanes each way, with construction to begin IIRC in 2025.

[salmar80]

There will be a day Green Bay hosts the draft. I'm very confident in that.

The area surrounding the stadium is perfect for it. Getting people to GB can be helped with shuttles to reduce traffic. Also lets people drink without worrying about driving.

If Sturgis SD can host multi 100,000's and even million people events....GB can handle a 300,000 person NFL draft.

I'm still trying to figure out where this supposed 300,000 to 600,000 threshold or objective even came from. 80,000 should suffice so the event could be held inside Lambeau Field. If not........hold parallel remote sessions Deer District style. This is not too hard to fathom, duh!

I participated in one draft event ........... the Seattle Supersonics at one of the downtown theatres. Totally boring ..... waste of time. Like I said earlier ......... just draft 'em and print it in the next morning's sport page.

I'd sorta love for the NFL to do a "go to a fancy hotel, just draft them while chain-smoking, and print it in next morning's paper" -draft for the 100th anniversary of it. Fans would go deliciously nuts with the anticipation.

But it ain't gonna happen since a) the league would lose revenue and b) the draft is a prime PR opportunity for players and teams. It would be robbing a class of prospects of their time in the spotlight. The draft epitomizes the season of hope - for fans of sucky teams it may be the year's highlight. The league's new betting partners would go berserk, as would it's TV associates.

Also, the draft IS a boring event. It's frankly a very silly event to have live. And it being a boring event is EXACTLY why it's best held in places with way more bars, restaurants, clubs, sights and other distractions than GB. If GB does get it, yes, build Murphy a statue, but I'm not gonna be mad if it never comes GBs way.

[BF004]

Between GB, Appleton, and Milwaukee airports, it could definitely handle the traffic.

As BF004 said, I'd be more concerned with Hwy 41 from Appleton to GB. If even one person gets pulled over or if there's an accident, you're screwed.

Don't forget the Oshkosh airport. It is the busiest airport in the world every year for a week during EAA.

Interstate 43 along Lake Michigan is a more direct route. It is 2 lanes each way. It is generally a fairly lightly traveled interstate.

Interstate 41 is 2 lanes each way from Milwaukee to Oshkosh, then three through Appleton, then two to De Pere (southern suburbs of GB). Between Appleton and DePere is set to become three lanes each way, with construction to begin IIRC in 2025.

Yeah, it’s a pretty long ass way from MKE to GB to justify even 3 lanes between the two. With just Manitowoc and Sheboygan between. I think 43 could maybe expand to 3 lanes from like bay beach to maybe like 2-3 exists past 172, I think that would help a lot. Used to have to leave Packer games that way and it isn’t fun, 172 should be 4 lanes from 41 to 43 for sure, that Ledgeview area is growing like crazy and not slowing down.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Between GB, Appleton, and Milwaukee airports, it could definitely handle the traffic.

As BF004 said, I'd be more concerned with Hwy 41 from Appleton to GB. If even one person gets pulled over or if there's an accident, you're screwed.

Don't forget the Oshkosh airport. It is the busiest airport in the world every year for a week during EAA.

Interstate 43 along Lake Michigan is a more direct route. It is 2 lanes each way. It is generally a fairly lightly traveled interstate.

Interstate 41 is 2 lanes each way from Milwaukee to Oshkosh, then three through Appleton, then two to De Pere (southern suburbs of GB). Between Appleton and DePere is set to become three lanes each way, with construction to begin IIRC in 2025.

Yeah, it’s a pretty long ass way from MKE to GB to justify even 3 lanes between the two. With just Manitowoc and Sheboygan between. I think 43 could maybe expand to 3 lanes from like bay beach to maybe like 2-3 exists past 172, I think that would help a lot. Used to have to leave Packer games that way and it isn’t fun, 172 should be 4 lanes from 41 to 43 for sure, that Ledgeview area is growing like crazy and not slowing down.

For late afternoon and night games from now on I'm just opting to get a hotel room in Green Bay after the game. Getting home at 4:00 a.m. after the playoff loss to the 49ers driving in a partial snowstorm in sub-freezing temperature was not a great experience. GO PACK GO!

(side note: 2021 Playoffs GO PACK GO t-shirts now available for less than $5. I wear it proudly as a firm reminder of the Murphy administration and the multiple playoff losses to the Niners, yes proudly. Pack is a dismal 1 - 5 verus the 49ers in the playoffs since beating the 49ers at 3COM in the 1997 NFL Championship Game)