Rank the Roster 2022: #29 Runoff

[Yoop]

unless a QB starts in first 2 years, they suck and where over drafted according to some

in reality most QB's suck and where over drafted, why? cause teams don't take the time to develop QB's, it's expensive, time, and roster spot consuming, if ya use a first round pick fans will expect him to start quickly, and while you can find a good one in later rounds, it's not as likely.

it is about money, we'll spend 3 to 4 mil grooming Love, and if he duds out it could have a reflection on the Gute for moving up to take him, but I'd Rather spend what is small potatoes compared to buying one, and again it's to tough a call at this stage to know how good Love will become, you people belong to that first group that expects that if a QB isn't starting year two there never going to be any good, and that is so lame.

I don’t think love sucks because he doesn’t start for the packers. I think he sucks because what I have seen him do on the field in practice and in games with my own eyes...well, sucks.

“Sucks” is not a permanent label. One can improve and graduate from suckdom status. It’s rare, but possible.

As I have said b4. Love played in a weak conference and really wasn't good enough given the competition to be drafted where he was. Saying he sucks is unfair. He is exactly what he is. Not a starting nfl qb. Not his fault.

I didn't like drafting Love, and listened to people saying he could have lasted till our pick, mostly because I wanted a WR, I had tunnel vision, when I came to my senses there where 3 other teams interested in him,

NFL teams are captivated by Love, mostly due to his size and athleticism. He’s 6-foot-4, 225 pounds and had a 4.52 40-yard dash time. Love's production last season fell off the cliff compared to his 2018 season when he threw for 32 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. The strong armed, athletic quarterback threw for 8,600 yards and 60 touchdowns in his last three seasons.

It’s worth noting that Love lost many key starters along the offensive line and at the skill positions in his senior year at Utah State, leading many scouts to conclude that a more talented surrounding cast could greatly enhance his level of play in the NFL. It has now been confirmed that the talented signal caller has taken part in virtual meetings via telecommunication applications with the Dolphins, Chargers, Raiders, Saints, Packers and Colts.

those two clips show that other teams did have interest, that he was very good when he had talent, and he has the mechanics to be very good.

the small school thing to me is over blown, plenty of great nfl players came from small schools, the goal is to find raw talent, it's where the term draft and develop comes from, and Jorden has that, the chore is to advance his reaction and mental ability to the speed of the pro game, and that is different from player to player.

LIS I didn't like the pick, but it had little to do with the player, the best thing that could have happened for Love is to sit behind Rodgers for 2 or 3 years, he basically lost year 1 because of covid, so another year or even two wont hurt, grooming for 3 years produced Rodgers, also a small school player, grooming for a few seasons behind a starter is the best thing you can do for a young QB imo.

[salmar80]

As I have said b4. Love played in a weak conference and really wasn't good enough given the competition to be drafted where he was. Saying he sucks is unfair. He is exactly what he is. Not a starting nfl qb. Not his fault.

If ANYONE should have learned that playing at a small college does not determine a QB's NFL career, it should be Packers fans... I guess not.

[Realist]

As I have said b4. Love played in a weak conference and really wasn't good enough given the competition to be drafted where he was. Saying he sucks is unfair. He is exactly what he is. Not a starting nfl qb. Not his fault.

If ANYONE should have learned that playing at a small college does not determine a QB's NFL career, it should be Packers fans... I guess not.

I assumed we were specifically speaking of Love. I was actually defending him against the sucks comment.

[Yoop]

As I have said b4. Love played in a weak conference and really wasn't good enough given the competition to be drafted where he was. Saying he sucks is unfair. He is exactly what he is. Not a starting nfl qb. Not his fault.

If ANYONE should have learned that playing at a small college does not determine a QB's NFL career, it should be Packers fans... I guess not.

I assumed we were specifically speaking of Love. I was actually defending him against the sucks comment.

you two tongued him, in one sentence you claim he isn't good enough to be a NFL starting QB, there fore it's unfair to say he sucks, in retrospect you condemn the pick, (which was your goal in the first place, to slam the GM) the second you try to defend your opinion, and act as though you know more then people actually paid to know how to judge the progress of a QB.

a few weeks back I brought a list of 20 QB that didn't start or become top 10 QB's till about there 5th season, so when you or others come here and spout this crap that you know that Love will never be a starting QB, I have to doubt your understanding of just how tough it is to be a NFL starting QB, obviously the miss rate is very high, so I think thats what your using to make your determination, the history is on your side, but that is all you have to go on, we all know most drafted QB's fail to become NFL starting QB's, or at minimum don't amount to the type we hope to replace Rodgers with.

this brings us back to my original stance, if quality QB coaches still believe Love has the chance to be a quality starter ( obvious or we would have used a high pick on another) who are you to argue and make the claims you have? your small school comments explain the need for coaching up and patience with Love, and he has looked both good and bad in the several PS games he's played, people are really jumping the gun to condemn Love

[Drj820]

As I have said b4. Love played in a weak conference and really wasn't good enough given the competition to be drafted where he was. Saying he sucks is unfair. He is exactly what he is. Not a starting nfl qb. Not his fault.

If ANYONE should have learned that playing at a small college does not determine a QB's NFL career, it should be Packers fans... I guess not.

There are exceptions to every rule. Everyone knows this. The more you see a QB perform well against top college talent in big spots, the more safe the pick is to the org. The less risk involved. The worse competition a player plays against, and the less pressure situations a GM can evaluate a college player in, the higher risk the pick is, obviously.

[Drj820]

If ANYONE should have learned that playing at a small college does not determine a QB's NFL career, it should be Packers fans... I guess not.

I assumed we were specifically speaking of Love. I was actually defending him against the sucks comment.

you two tongued him, in one sentence you claim he isn't good enough to be a NFL starting QB, there fore it's unfair to say he sucks, in retrospect you condemn the pick, (which was your goal in the first place, to slam the GM) the second you try to defend your opinion, and act as though you know more then people actually paid to know how to judge the progress of a QB.

a few weeks back I brought a list of 20 QB that didn't start or become top 10 QB's till about there 5th season, so when you or others come here and spout this crap that you know that Love will never be a starting QB, I have to doubt your understanding of just how tough it is to be a NFL starting QB, obviously the miss rate is very high, so I think thats what your using to make your determination, the history is on your side, but that is all you have to go on, we all know most drafted QB's fail to become NFL starting QB's, or at minimum don't amount to the type we hope to replace Rodgers with.

this brings us back to my original stance, if quality QB coaches still believe Love has the chance to be a quality starter ( obvious or we would have used a high pick on another) who are you to argue and make the claims you have? your small school comments explain the need for coaching up and patience with Love, and he has looked both good and bad in the several PS games he's played, people are really jumping the gun to condemn Love

The list you shared did not prove the point you thought it did. Most of those guys had careers that would NOT be acceptable to the Packers fans. A handful on the list turned out very well, like I’ve said all along...there are exceptions to every rule.

You act like Love has been invisible for two seasons and we are saying he sucks because he doesn’t start. Im
Not saying that at all, I know very well why he isn’t starting...because the mvp is in front of him on the depth chart for one reason. It’s not that he sucks because he doesn’t start, it’s that what we have seen from him has sucked. Every sign points to J Love being marred by suckdom bd you refuse to evaluate him because he’s not in year 7 or something. I’m evaluating what I’ve seen as the information has come to me. And like I’ve also said, suckeroni is not a permanent dish. He can gradúate out of being chefboyardi. It’s rare, but possible..like your list proved.

Consider this...you listed off all the amazing attributes Love possesses. The size, strength, measurables. Many of these same measurables Josh Allen (another small school guy possessed), same for small school guy Trey Lance. Yet, the niners moved heaven and earth to get lance, and Allen went top 10....while J Love fell to the 20s. This is extremely rare for a qb with the measurables you lauded him for possessing. Ask yourself why measurables didnt carry Love to a top ten pick like they did lance and Allen. Let me know what you come up with please.

[Yoop]

I assumed we were specifically speaking of Love. I was actually defending him against the sucks comment.

you two tongued him, in one sentence you claim he isn't good enough to be a NFL starting QB, there fore it's unfair to say he sucks, in retrospect you condemn the pick, (which was your goal in the first place, to slam the GM) the second you try to defend your opinion, and act as though you know more then people actually paid to know how to judge the progress of a QB.

a few weeks back I brought a list of 20 QB that didn't start or become top 10 QB's till about there 5th season, so when you or others come here and spout this crap that you know that Love will never be a starting QB, I have to doubt your understanding of just how tough it is to be a NFL starting QB, obviously the miss rate is very high, so I think thats what your using to make your determination, the history is on your side, but that is all you have to go on, we all know most drafted QB's fail to become NFL starting QB's, or at minimum don't amount to the type we hope to replace Rodgers with.

this brings us back to my original stance, if quality QB coaches still believe Love has the chance to be a quality starter ( obvious or we would have used a high pick on another) who are you to argue and make the claims you have? your small school comments explain the need for coaching up and patience with Love, and he has looked both good and bad in the several PS games he's played, people are really jumping the gun to condemn Love

The list you shared did not prove the point you thought it did. Most of those guys had careers that would NOT be acceptable to the Packers fans. A handful on the list turned out very well, like I’ve said all along...there are exceptions to every rule.

You act like Love has been invisible for two seasons and we are saying he sucks because he doesn’t start. Im
Not saying that at all, I know very well why he isn’t starting...because the mvp is in front of him on the depth chart for one reason. It’s not that he sucks because he doesn’t start, it’s that what we have seen from him has sucked. Every sign points to J Love being marred by suckdom bd you refuse to evaluate him because he’s not in year 7 or something. I’m evaluating what I’ve seen as the information has come to me. And like I’ve also said, suckeroni is not a permanent dish. He can gradúate out of being chefboyardi. It’s rare, but possible..like your list proved.

Consider this...you listed off all the amazing attributes Love possesses. The size, strength, measurables. Many of these same measurables Josh Allen (another small school guy possessed), same for small school guy Trey Lance. Yet, the niners moved heaven and earth to get lance, and Allen went top 10....while J Love fell to the 20s. This is extremely rare for a qb with the measurables you lauded him for possessing. Ask yourself why measurables didnt carry Love to a top ten pick like they did lance and Allen. Let me know what you come up with please.

Love has looked no worse then most on the list I brought, the point is that just because they needed coaching up doesn't mean they didn't become good at some point, Rodgers also fell to the mid 20's, looked terrible his first couple season, according to you and realist he wasn't worth waiting around to become ready either.

Teams have Patience ( at least the Packers do) because they know the D&D proses concerning QB's is a tried and true way to make a prospect much better, and know there will be some struggles along the way, Favre would have been better as well as almost every drafted QB including Lance or Allen, and thats true with every position, Rashad Gary is a great example.

I have evaluated Love, and realize more coaching and prep is what he needs, you on the other hand act as though he's already at his ceiling, and is who he always will be, I stand with my opinion, it is near impossible by simply watching a few PS games to actually know anything when it comes to a QB, half the people here thought Rodgers was terrible, Thompson was so undecided concerning Rodgers he took 2 QB's the year he started, so imho it is near impossible to see prior to starting a stud coming, the very best in the business have failed to spot em.

[Drj820]

you two tongued him, in one sentence you claim he isn't good enough to be a NFL starting QB, there fore it's unfair to say he sucks, in retrospect you condemn the pick, (which was your goal in the first place, to slam the GM) the second you try to defend your opinion, and act as though you know more then people actually paid to know how to judge the progress of a QB.

a few weeks back I brought a list of 20 QB that didn't start or become top 10 QB's till about there 5th season, so when you or others come here and spout this crap that you know that Love will never be a starting QB, I have to doubt your understanding of just how tough it is to be a NFL starting QB, obviously the miss rate is very high, so I think thats what your using to make your determination, the history is on your side, but that is all you have to go on, we all know most drafted QB's fail to become NFL starting QB's, or at minimum don't amount to the type we hope to replace Rodgers with.

this brings us back to my original stance, if quality QB coaches still believe Love has the chance to be a quality starter ( obvious or we would have used a high pick on another) who are you to argue and make the claims you have? your small school comments explain the need for coaching up and patience with Love, and he has looked both good and bad in the several PS games he's played, people are really jumping the gun to condemn Love

The list you shared did not prove the point you thought it did. Most of those guys had careers that would NOT be acceptable to the Packers fans. A handful on the list turned out very well, like I’ve said all along...there are exceptions to every rule.

You act like Love has been invisible for two seasons and we are saying he sucks because he doesn’t start. Im
Not saying that at all, I know very well why he isn’t starting...because the mvp is in front of him on the depth chart for one reason. It’s not that he sucks because he doesn’t start, it’s that what we have seen from him has sucked. Every sign points to J Love being marred by suckdom bd you refuse to evaluate him because he’s not in year 7 or something. I’m evaluating what I’ve seen as the information has come to me. And like I’ve also said, suckeroni is not a permanent dish. He can gradúate out of being chefboyardi. It’s rare, but possible..like your list proved.

Consider this...you listed off all the amazing attributes Love possesses. The size, strength, measurables. Many of these same measurables Josh Allen (another small school guy possessed), same for small school guy Trey Lance. Yet, the niners moved heaven and earth to get lance, and Allen went top 10....while J Love fell to the 20s. This is extremely rare for a qb with the measurables you lauded him for possessing. Ask yourself why measurables didnt carry Love to a top ten pick like they did lance and Allen. Let me know what you come up with please.

Love has looked no worse then most on the list I brought, the point is that just because they needed coaching up doesn't mean they didn't become good at some point, Rodgers also fell to the mid 20's, looked terrible his first couple season, according to you and realist he wasn't worth waiting around to become ready either.

Teams have Patience ( at least the Packers do) because they know the D&D proses concerning QB's is a tried and true way to make a prospect much better, and know there will be some struggles along the way, Favre would have been better as well as almost every drafted QB including Lance or Allen, and thats true with every position, Rashad Gary is a great example.

I have evaluated Love, and realize more coaching and prep is what he needs, you on the other hand act as though he's already at his ceiling, and is who he always will be, I stand with my opinion, it is near impossible by simply watching a few PS games to actually know anything when it comes to a QB, half the people here thought Rodgers was terrible, Thompson was so undecided concerning Rodgers he took 2 QB's the year he started, so imho it is near impossible to see prior to starting a stud coming, the very best in the business have failed to spot em.

I don’t believe Rodgers was terrible, but let’s say you do...are you comparing Love to Rodgers? Implying they are on similar career arch’s?

[Realist]

I damn near fell into a Yoop vortex.

[Yoop]

The list you shared did not prove the point you thought it did. Most of those guys had careers that would NOT be acceptable to the Packers fans. A handful on the list turned out very well, like I’ve said all along...there are exceptions to every rule.

You act like Love has been invisible for two seasons and we are saying he sucks because he doesn’t start. Im
Not saying that at all, I know very well why he isn’t starting...because the mvp is in front of him on the depth chart for one reason. It’s not that he sucks because he doesn’t start, it’s that what we have seen from him has sucked. Every sign points to J Love being marred by suckdom bd you refuse to evaluate him because he’s not in year 7 or something. I’m evaluating what I’ve seen as the information has come to me. And like I’ve also said, suckeroni is not a permanent dish. He can gradúate out of being chefboyardi. It’s rare, but possible..like your list proved.

Consider this...you listed off all the amazing attributes Love possesses. The size, strength, measurables. Many of these same measurables Josh Allen (another small school guy possessed), same for small school guy Trey Lance. Yet, the niners moved heaven and earth to get lance, and Allen went top 10....while J Love fell to the 20s. This is extremely rare for a qb with the measurables you lauded him for possessing. Ask yourself why measurables didnt carry Love to a top ten pick like they did lance and Allen. Let me know what you come up with please.

Love has looked no worse then most on the list I brought, the point is that just because they needed coaching up doesn't mean they didn't become good at some point, Rodgers also fell to the mid 20's, looked terrible his first couple season, according to you and realist he wasn't worth waiting around to become ready either.

Teams have Patience ( at least the Packers do) because they know the D&D proses concerning QB's is a tried and true way to make a prospect much better, and know there will be some struggles along the way, Favre would have been better as well as almost every drafted QB including Lance or Allen, and thats true with every position, Rashad Gary is a great example.

I have evaluated Love, and realize more coaching and prep is what he needs, you on the other hand act as though he's already at his ceiling, and is who he always will be, I stand with my opinion, it is near impossible by simply watching a few PS games to actually know anything when it comes to a QB, half the people here thought Rodgers was terrible, Thompson was so undecided concerning Rodgers he took 2 QB's the year he started, so imho it is near impossible to see prior to starting a stud coming, the very best in the business have failed to spot em.

I don’t believe Rodgers was terrible, but let’s say you do...are you comparing Love to Rodgers? Implying they are on similar career arch’s?

It's to early to say with Love, we need to see him under live fire in games that matter, it was the same with Rodgers, a few snaps or even a half in a ps game is not enough, lots of QB's look pretty good when the opposing defense is playing at 90% or has mostly backups in, same with the QB, if his receivers are all backups and screw up the routes, imho Love is a lot better then we could possibly know from the small sample we've seen, he came here as a raw small school player with great stats, a very athletic kid with a live arm and quick feet, a prospect like that deserves the time it takes to make him as ready to succeed as possible, I don't get the rush for people to determine what he can be

[Drj820]

Love has looked no worse then most on the list I brought, the point is that just because they needed coaching up doesn't mean they didn't become good at some point, Rodgers also fell to the mid 20's, looked terrible his first couple season, according to you and realist he wasn't worth waiting around to become ready either.

Teams have Patience ( at least the Packers do) because they know the D&D proses concerning QB's is a tried and true way to make a prospect much better, and know there will be some struggles along the way, Favre would have been better as well as almost every drafted QB including Lance or Allen, and thats true with every position, Rashad Gary is a great example.

I have evaluated Love, and realize more coaching and prep is what he needs, you on the other hand act as though he's already at his ceiling, and is who he always will be, I stand with my opinion, it is near impossible by simply watching a few PS games to actually know anything when it comes to a QB, half the people here thought Rodgers was terrible, Thompson was so undecided concerning Rodgers he took 2 QB's the year he started, so imho it is near impossible to see prior to starting a stud coming, the very best in the business have failed to spot em.

I don’t believe Rodgers was terrible, but let’s say you do...are you comparing Love to Rodgers? Implying they are on similar career arch’s?

It's to early to say with Love, we need to see him under live fire in games that matter, it was the same with Rodgers, a few snaps or even a half in a ps game is not enough, lots of QB's look pretty good when the opposing defense is playing at 90% or has mostly backups in, same with the QB, if his receivers are all backups and screw up the routes, imho Love is a lot better then we could possibly know from the small sample we've seen, he came here as a raw small school player with great stats, a very athletic kid with a live arm and quick feet, a prospect like that deserves the time it takes to make him as ready to succeed as possible, I don't get the rush for people to determine what he can be

“It’s too early to tell If Love will be Rodgers”-Yoop

Yoop buddy, please smoke one of whatever you are smoking for me. It seems rare, powerful, and amazing.

[Yoop]

I don’t believe Rodgers was terrible, but let’s say you do...are you comparing Love to Rodgers? Implying they are on similar career arch’s?

It's to early to say with Love, we need to see him under live fire in games that matter, it was the same with Rodgers, a few snaps or even a half in a ps game is not enough, lots of QB's look pretty good when the opposing defense is playing at 90% or has mostly backups in, same with the QB, if his receivers are all backups and screw up the routes, imho Love is a lot better then we could possibly know from the small sample we've seen, he came here as a raw small school player with great stats, a very athletic kid with a live arm and quick feet, a prospect like that deserves the time it takes to make him as ready to succeed as possible, I don't get the rush for people to determine what he can be

“It’s too early to tell If Love will be Rodgers”-Yoop

Yoop buddy, please smoke one of whatever you are smoking for me. It seems rare, powerful, and amazing.

wow, obviously Love isn't likely to ever be as good as Rodgers, very few will even be mentioned in the same sentence with Rodgers, your extremes of he sucks, or has to be come Rodgers elite doesn't even make sense, my hope and what we don't know yet is that he becomes a good starter.

people who think because a QB struggles in some PS games in there first few try's they'll never be good are guessing, and often right simply because most do fail.

Gute is not opposed to cutting his draft fails, if it was possible for coaches to predict the outcome of there Students as you and others seem to with Love they would have done so and used another high pick on another QB, I seriously doubt Gutes Job hinges on the ability of Love one way or the other, He's done a admiral job rebuilding the defense.

I wouldn't have drafted Love, I would have done whatever it took to get Jefferson or Auyik (SP) but I admit to becoming polarized concerning the draft, I target a player I think will help the team the most and if the GM we have at the time doesn't take him, then he should be tared and feathered lol, but that was 4 years ago.

some times it takes a different voice, obviously Lafluer and Gute see a lot of positive stuff with Love, so they brought back Clements to see if he can speed up Loves progression.

[Drj820]

It's to early to say with Love, we need to see him under live fire in games that matter, it was the same with Rodgers, a few snaps or even a half in a ps game is not enough, lots of QB's look pretty good when the opposing defense is playing at 90% or has mostly backups in, same with the QB, if his receivers are all backups and screw up the routes, imho Love is a lot better then we could possibly know from the small sample we've seen, he came here as a raw small school player with great stats, a very athletic kid with a live arm and quick feet, a prospect like that deserves the time it takes to make him as ready to succeed as possible, I don't get the rush for people to determine what he can be

“It’s too early to tell If Love will be Rodgers”-Yoop

Yoop buddy, please smoke one of whatever you are smoking for me. It seems rare, powerful, and amazing.

wow, obviously Love isn't likely to ever be as good as Rodgers, very few will even be mentioned in the same sentence with Rodgers, your extremes of he sucks, or has to be come Rodgers elite doesn't even make sense, my hope and what we don't know yet is that he becomes a good starter.

people who think because a QB struggles in some PS games in there first few try's they'll never be good are guessing, and often right simply because most do fail.

Gute is not opposed to cutting his draft fails, if it was possible for coaches to predict the outcome of there Students as you and others seem to with Love they would have done so and used another high pick on another QB, I seriously doubt Gutes Job hinges on the ability of Love one way or the other, He's done a admiral job rebuilding the defense.

I wouldn't have drafted Love, I would have done whatever it took to get Jefferson or Auyik (SP) but I admit to becoming polarized concerning the draft, I target a player I think will help the team the most and if the GM we have at the time doesn't take him, then he should be tared and feathered lol, but that was 4 years ago.

some times it takes a different voice, obviously Lafluer and Gute see a lot of positive stuff with Love, so they brought back Clements to see if he can speed up Loves progression.

If you think bringing back Clements had much to do with Love, I once again ask you to take a puff of the good stuff on my behalf.

[Yoop]

“It’s too early to tell If Love will be Rodgers”-Yoop

Yoop buddy, please smoke one of whatever you are smoking for me. It seems rare, powerful, and amazing.

wow, obviously Love isn't likely to ever be as good as Rodgers, very few will even be mentioned in the same sentence with Rodgers, your extremes of he sucks, or has to be come Rodgers elite doesn't even make sense, my hope and what we don't know yet is that he becomes a good starter.

people who think because a QB struggles in some PS games in there first few try's they'll never be good are guessing, and often right simply because most do fail.

Gute is not opposed to cutting his draft fails, if it was possible for coaches to predict the outcome of there Students as you and others seem to with Love they would have done so and used another high pick on another QB, I seriously doubt Gutes Job hinges on the ability of Love one way or the other, He's done a admiral job rebuilding the defense.

I wouldn't have drafted Love, I would have done whatever it took to get Jefferson or Auyik (SP) but I admit to becoming polarized concerning the draft, I target a player I think will help the team the most and if the GM we have at the time doesn't take him, then he should be tared and feathered lol, but that was 4 years ago.

some times it takes a different voice, obviously Lafluer and Gute see a lot of positive stuff with Love, so they brought back Clements to see if he can speed up Loves progression.

If you think bringing back Clements had much to do with Love, I once again ask you to take a puff of the good stuff on my behalf.

It had almost everything to do with Love, do you seriously think Clements is going to make Rodgers a better MVP, don't confuse tunnel vision with Adams, with Rodgers doesn't know how to read progressions, give Rodgers receivers he trust and he'll spread the ball around just as he had before.

seriously all this talk about Rodgers needing to re learn what he's known for ever is so benignly stupid, Lafluer even said 85% of the passing schemes revolved around Tae Adams, yes he became polarized and stuck with first read Adams and often stuck with him versus finding a different receiver, but most of that is due to lack of trust in others, when he had Adams, Nelson and Cobb they all saw there share of targets.

it's always been a receiver issue, I get so tired of people blaming Rodgers and defending what Gute did his first year as GM drafting the 3 stooges, we needed a receiver with ready to play skills to pare with Adams, not a bunch of raw recruits that would take years to groom, hell Rodgers wouldn't even throw to them in 2018, wide open, no one within 5 yrds and Rodgers would keep scrambling or take a sack rather then throwing to them.

I guess you and others think he just didn't see em, his history details that he is one of the quickest route progression readers, gets the ball out faster then just about any other QB, your idea that we brought Clements back to re train Rodgers to do that doesn't make any sense to me, what we needed is a influx of receiver talent that can separate quicker, get open on the short routes, beat a jam, other then Adams and Cobb we didn't have any, that has been the biggest problem.

heres to ya

[Drj820]

wow, obviously Love isn't likely to ever be as good as Rodgers, very few will even be mentioned in the same sentence with Rodgers, your extremes of he sucks, or has to be come Rodgers elite doesn't even make sense, my hope and what we don't know yet is that he becomes a good starter.

people who think because a QB struggles in some PS games in there first few try's they'll never be good are guessing, and often right simply because most do fail.

Gute is not opposed to cutting his draft fails, if it was possible for coaches to predict the outcome of there Students as you and others seem to with Love they would have done so and used another high pick on another QB, I seriously doubt Gutes Job hinges on the ability of Love one way or the other, He's done a admiral job rebuilding the defense.

I wouldn't have drafted Love, I would have done whatever it took to get Jefferson or Auyik (SP) but I admit to becoming polarized concerning the draft, I target a player I think will help the team the most and if the GM we have at the time doesn't take him, then he should be tared and feathered lol, but that was 4 years ago.

some times it takes a different voice, obviously Lafluer and Gute see a lot of positive stuff with Love, so they brought back Clements to see if he can speed up Loves progression.

If you think bringing back Clements had much to do with Love, I once again ask you to take a puff of the good stuff on my behalf.

It had almost everything to do with Love, do you seriously think Clements is going to make Rodgers a better MVP, don't confuse tunnel vision with Adams, with Rodgers doesn't know how to read progressions, give Rodgers receivers he trust and he'll spread the ball around just as he had before.

seriously all this talk about Rodgers needing to re learn what he's known for ever is so benignly stupid, Lafluer even said 85% of the passing schemes revolved around Tae Adams, yes he became polarized and stuck with first read Adams and often stuck with him versus finding a different receiver, but most of that is due to lack of trust in others, when he had Adams, Nelson and Cobb they all saw there share of targets.

it's always been a receiver issue, I get so tired of people blaming Rodgers and defending what Gute did his first year as GM drafting the 3 stooges, we needed a receiver with ready to play skills to pare with Adams, not a bunch of raw recruits that would take years to groom, hell Rodgers wouldn't even throw to them in 2018, wide open, no one within 5 yrds and Rodgers would keep scrambling or take a sack rather then throwing to them.

I guess you and others think he just didn't see em, his history details that he is one of the quickest route progression readers, gets the ball out faster then just about any other QB, your idea that we brought Clements back to re train Rodgers to do that doesn't make any sense to me, what we needed is a influx of receiver talent that can separate quicker, get open on the short routes, beat a jam, other then Adams and Cobb we didn't have any, that has been the biggest problem.

heres to ya

It wasn’t to “fix” Rodgers. It was because Rodgers wanted his ole buddy back. It was an olive branch from
The org. Like the branch they offered him the previous year when they brought back Cobb.

[Yoop]

If you think bringing back Clements had much to do with Love, I once again ask you to take a puff of the good stuff on my behalf.

It had almost everything to do with Love, do you seriously think Clements is going to make Rodgers a better MVP, don't confuse tunnel vision with Adams, with Rodgers doesn't know how to read progressions, give Rodgers receivers he trust and he'll spread the ball around just as he had before.

seriously all this talk about Rodgers needing to re learn what he's known for ever is so benignly stupid, Lafluer even said 85% of the passing schemes revolved around Tae Adams, yes he became polarized and stuck with first read Adams and often stuck with him versus finding a different receiver, but most of that is due to lack of trust in others, when he had Adams, Nelson and Cobb they all saw there share of targets.

it's always been a receiver issue, I get so tired of people blaming Rodgers and defending what Gute did his first year as GM drafting the 3 stooges, we needed a receiver with ready to play skills to pare with Adams, not a bunch of raw recruits that would take years to groom, hell Rodgers wouldn't even throw to them in 2018, wide open, no one within 5 yrds and Rodgers would keep scrambling or take a sack rather then throwing to them.

I guess you and others think he just didn't see em, his history details that he is one of the quickest route progression readers, gets the ball out faster then just about any other QB, your idea that we brought Clements back to re train Rodgers to do that doesn't make any sense to me, what we needed is a influx of receiver talent that can separate quicker, get open on the short routes, beat a jam, other then Adams and Cobb we didn't have any, that has been the biggest problem.

heres to ya

It wasn’t to “fix” Rodgers. It was because Rodgers wanted his ole buddy back. It was an olive branch from
The org. Like the branch they offered him the previous year when they brought back Cobb.

yada yada, I read all the hype, we needed a new QB coach with Getsy leaving, and Clements fits the bill, sure Rodgers likes him, and was upset when Ted didn't renew his contract 6 year ago, but he'll have a influence with coaching up Love, he didn't come out of retirement just to pacify Rodgers.

[Drj820]

It had almost everything to do with Love, do you seriously think Clements is going to make Rodgers a better MVP, don't confuse tunnel vision with Adams, with Rodgers doesn't know how to read progressions, give Rodgers receivers he trust and he'll spread the ball around just as he had before.

seriously all this talk about Rodgers needing to re learn what he's known for ever is so benignly stupid, Lafluer even said 85% of the passing schemes revolved around Tae Adams, yes he became polarized and stuck with first read Adams and often stuck with him versus finding a different receiver, but most of that is due to lack of trust in others, when he had Adams, Nelson and Cobb they all saw there share of targets.

it's always been a receiver issue, I get so tired of people blaming Rodgers and defending what Gute did his first year as GM drafting the 3 stooges, we needed a receiver with ready to play skills to pare with Adams, not a bunch of raw recruits that would take years to groom, hell Rodgers wouldn't even throw to them in 2018, wide open, no one within 5 yrds and Rodgers would keep scrambling or take a sack rather then throwing to them.

I guess you and others think he just didn't see em, his history details that he is one of the quickest route progression readers, gets the ball out faster then just about any other QB, your idea that we brought Clements back to re train Rodgers to do that doesn't make any sense to me, what we needed is a influx of receiver talent that can separate quicker, get open on the short routes, beat a jam, other then Adams and Cobb we didn't have any, that has been the biggest problem.

heres to ya

It wasn’t to “fix” Rodgers. It was because Rodgers wanted his ole buddy back. It was an olive branch from
The org. Like the branch they offered him the previous year when they brought back Cobb.

yada yada, I read all the hype, we needed a new QB coach with Getsy leaving, and Clements fits the bill, sure Rodgers likes him, and was upset when Ted didn't renew his contract 6 year ago, but he'll have a influence with coaching up Love, he didn't come out of retirement just to pacify Rodgers.

So you went from saying the hire “had almost everything to do with Love” to then admitting Rodgers loves and was upset we let him go 6 years ago...those things imply to me the hire was about Rodgers.

Then you go from the hire being about Love to saying “Hel have influence with coaching up Love”...to that i completely agree. Of course the QB coach is responsible for helping all the QBs play their best.

[Yoop]

It wasn’t to “fix” Rodgers. It was because Rodgers wanted his ole buddy back. It was an olive branch from
The org. Like the branch they offered him the previous year when they brought back Cobb.

yada yada, I read all the hype, we needed a new QB coach with Getsy leaving, and Clements fits the bill, sure Rodgers likes him, and was upset when Ted didn't renew his contract 6 year ago, but he'll have a influence with coaching up Love, he didn't come out of retirement just to pacify Rodgers.

So you went from saying the hire “had almost everything to do with Love” to then admitting Rodgers loves and was upset we let him go 6 years ago...those things imply to me the hire was about Rodgers.

Then you go from the hire being about Love to saying “Hel have influence with coaching up Love”...to that i completely agree. Of course the QB coach is responsible for helping all the QBs play their best.

I cant tell if your serious that the Packers are going to pay Clements to hold Rodgers hand, and believe whats been said by these beat writers spouting such nonsense or not, mostly it seems your just intent on twisting what I say for just personal enjoyment, either way, the person to gain the most from the Clements hire is Love, again Rodgers doesn't need a coach as much as he needed a influx of WR talent.

I don't think Clements has even signed a contract yet, if he doesn't think he can help Love he probably wont, he wont do it to just pacify Rodgers, he has far to much pride for that, that crap your reading is perfect for gullible fans, don't be a gullible fan, it's unbecoming

[Drj820]

yada yada, I read all the hype, we needed a new QB coach with Getsy leaving, and Clements fits the bill, sure Rodgers likes him, and was upset when Ted didn't renew his contract 6 year ago, but he'll have a influence with coaching up Love, he didn't come out of retirement just to pacify Rodgers.

So you went from saying the hire “had almost everything to do with Love” to then admitting Rodgers loves and was upset we let him go 6 years ago...those things imply to me the hire was about Rodgers.

Then you go from the hire being about Love to saying “Hel have influence with coaching up Love”...to that i completely agree. Of course the QB coach is responsible for helping all the QBs play their best.

I cant tell if your serious that the Packers are going to pay Clements to hold Rodgers hand, and believe whats been said by these beat writers spouting such nonsense or not, mostly it seems your just intent on twisting what I say for just personal enjoyment, either way, the person to gain the most from the Clements hire is Love, again Rodgers doesn't need a coach as much as he needed a influx of WR talent.

I don't think Clements has even signed a contract yet, if he doesn't think he can help Love he probably wont, he wont do it to just pacify Rodgers, he has far to much pride for that, that crap your reading is perfect for gullible fans, don't be a gullible fan, it's unbecoming

Feel like we are at the place in this debate where i have totally destroyed all your talking points and you totally agree with me about everything, you just dont realize it yet, so you are still arguing. Cheers.

[Realist]

So you went from saying the hire “had almost everything to do with Love” to then admitting Rodgers loves and was upset we let him go 6 years ago...those things imply to me the hire was about Rodgers.

Then you go from the hire being about Love to saying “Hel have influence with coaching up Love”...to that i completely agree. Of course the QB coach is responsible for helping all the QBs play their best.

I cant tell if your serious that the Packers are going to pay Clements to hold Rodgers hand, and believe whats been said by these beat writers spouting such nonsense or not, mostly it seems your just intent on twisting what I say for just personal enjoyment, either way, the person to gain the most from the Clements hire is Love, again Rodgers doesn't need a coach as much as he needed a influx of WR talent.

I don't think Clements has even signed a contract yet, if he doesn't think he can help Love he probably wont, he wont do it to just pacify Rodgers, he has far to much pride for that, that crap your reading is perfect for gullible fans, don't be a gullible fan, it's unbecoming

Feel like we are at the place in this debate where i have totally destroyed all your talking points and you totally agree with me about everything, you just dont realize it yet, so you are still arguing. Cheers.

You have yooped Drj.