Yoop wrote: ↑27 Jun 2022 11:30
go pak go wrote: ↑27 Jun 2022 10:56
Yoop wrote: ↑27 Jun 2022 10:45
thats my point, we all know that rookie ILB's can be at least mediocre against the run, the problem we've always had is for them not to be a liability with coverage.
when I say something like " lber is not a easy transition at this level) it is a insult to think I was referring to stopping the run, it really is, Pckfn, You, or just about anyone here has been around the game long enough to know that, I shouldn't even have to explain what aspect of the tasks for that position include and the hardest part about it for a rookie, common knowledge.
heres another bull &%$@ convo with 23, according to him teams don't use lbers to cover TE's, just go google that one, you'll find that is a primary task as well as covering RB's, the reason we use safety's on TE's and RB's is because till last year none of our ILBs could handle the job, we should not confuse that necessity with the norm.
It's my believe that edge players are a easier transition then interior players, we see a 1/2 doz edge rusher contribute well as rookies, same with CB/s and WR, and not so much with DL, Safety's ILB's tasked with coverage, the more mental the task, the longer to learn.
I think Sal's post on this subject was very, very good.
What you seem to be doing in your argument is allowing some positions to only excel in certain aspects but not be a complete player (like if a WR catches balls or an edge rusher gets sacks)
But if the WR sucks at diverse routes, or running at any position on the field, or run blocking or the edge rusher sucks at setting the edge, which is often the case, you seem to ignore this and still call them a success.
Yet on the ILB issue, you are suddenly raising the bar saying they are only successful if they are a complete player. This is something very, very few rookies are, let alone any players are. These are blue chippers and blue chippers are rare for a reason.
So yes. I believe the stopping the run thing is the primary duty of an ILB. And that is their primary judgement. They are tacklers first which explains why they generally lead the team in tackles. Just like a WR is a catcher first or an edge rusher is a pass rusher first. So the judgement needs to be the same to be fair.
I think Sal's post is very good on this argument.
I don't even know where to start with this.
I think evolution causes adjustments, we rarely ever see the big ILB's any more, simply because the need for speed has over come the need for brawn, and if ya lack range it affects both aspect of a lbers tasks, run and pass coverage, and we saw both improve last year with Campbell, so imo it is not so cut and dried that the main job of todays NFL lber is to stop the run, specially for teams up against us or other quality passing schemes,
we are seeing so much uptempo get the ball out quick, because pass rush forces it, ya can't throw long passes and do that, so where do those passes go? lber ally, and if they can't cover, your the team playing catch up ball
what I don't get is this diverse route stuff, rookie WR shouldn't be required to know the whole route tree, and you can play them every down when they don't, are you Michael J McCarthy's little brother
none of that BS ever made a lick of sense to me.
defense is different, and you should know this, a WR can run a route poorly, the QB has the option of not throwing him the ball, when a defender does a play poorly, well you know the answer to that one, right?
as the preferred answer here goes, it's a fruit thing, in todays game your not allowed to make a mistake on defense, your not allowed to have weak positions, or you wont have a very good defense, why anyone would argue with me over these absolute truths is mind boggling
I think you just want to mix it up
kidding
I know I'am set in my ways and thinking, I blame it on being a old football fan an staying at so many best westerns over the years
Any HoJos in your storied past as well?
