Packers Huddle

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023 22:24

We have 5 picks in the first two days.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if we take 2 Olinemen in the first two days. We need run blockers. RJR, Myers and a tackle. I'm the opposite of Yoho. Keep Tom at RT. He is great at RT. RT's also face the best pass rushers. Keep Tom at RT.

Draft your LT and play Bakh for a year before handing over the reigns unless someone *Jets* offers some sweet coin for Bakh.

Labrev wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 00:34

IMO, take what you can get and move on from Golf Cart Dave. I was big for a while on the idea of Tom being LT after Bakh, but I have been persuaded that we should leave him at RT than try to tinker with a good thing. I'm fine with Jenkins at LG. Myers probably gets another season. I want to see Rhyan play to confirm if RG is a need or not; I will assume it is a need if I don't see him.

Walker had a nice game last Sunday. He had a rough start but I wouldn't count him out, lots of young OTs struggle in their first season. I also think we are playing our way out of Olu or Alt range, after which point, I am not sure there is a slam-dunk LT prospect that I would draft even if Walker plays well.

So RG and LT are the main needs IMO, and even those could cease to be Day 1-2 needs.

Yoop wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 08:59

unless ya have a top 7 or 8 slot, or whatever is considered top tier players per certain year, then thats how drafts work, GM's have to position draft, obviously trading forward or back to line up draft value, how else can they draft, we needed receiver help, Guty drafted receiver help, ya need a pass rush, then ya take that position.

BPA went out the window back in the 90's, it was another of Ron Wolfs complaints with UFA, it's a luxury to be able to BPA, and rare that your team is so solid that you can just hold fast to that

AmishMafia wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 09:08

Yoop wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 08:59

unless ya have a top 7 or 8 slot, or whatever is considered top tier players per certain year, then thats how drafts work, GM's have to position draft, obviously trading forward or back to line up draft value, how else can they draft, we needed receiver help, Guty drafted receiver help, ya need a pass rush, then ya take that position.

BPA went out the window back in the 90's, it was another of Ron Wolfs complaints with UFA, it's a luxury to be able to BPA, and rare that your team is so solid that you can just hold fast to that

Unless you are picking high in the draft, there is rarely a single BPA. If we are drafting in the middle of the first there will likely be 3 or 4 players graded the same. By the second round there could be twice as many. Sometimes a player slips and there is a clear cut BPA, but I think that is not common.

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023 22:24

We have 5 picks in the first two days.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if we take 2 Olinemen in the first two days. We need run blockers. RJR, Myers and a tackle. I'm the opposite of Yoho. Keep Tom at RT. He is great at RT. RT's also face the best pass rushers. Keep Tom at RT.

Draft your LT and play Bakh for a year before handing over the reigns unless someone *Jets* offers some sweet coin for Bakh.

Half Empty wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:13

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023 22:24

We have 5 picks in the first two days.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if we take 2 Olinemen in the first two days. We need run blockers. RJR, Myers and a tackle. I'm the opposite of Yoho. Keep Tom at RT. He is great at RT. RT's also face the best pass rushers. Keep Tom at RT.

Draft your LT and play Bakh for a year before handing over the reigns unless someone *Jets* offers some sweet coin for Bakh.

Isn't his cap hit still $40+ million if they keep him?

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 08:05

I'm not a "draft by position guy" but we have 5 picks in the first 2 days. As a rule I would lean towards the following based on our roster

Rd 1 - Tackle
Rd 2 (a) - RB/true Nickle Corner/Safety/ILB
Rd 2 (b) - RB/true Nickle Corner/Safety/ILB
Rd 3 (a) - Interior OL
Rd 3 (b) - whatever we didn't get in Rd 2

Madcity_matt wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:21

Half Empty wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:13

go pak go wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023 22:24

We have 5 picks in the first two days.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if we take 2 Olinemen in the first two days. We need run blockers. RJR, Myers and a tackle. I'm the opposite of Yoho. Keep Tom at RT. He is great at RT. RT's also face the best pass rushers. Keep Tom at RT.

Draft your LT and play Bakh for a year before handing over the reigns unless someone *Jets* offers some sweet coin for Bakh.

Isn't his cap hit still $40+ million if they keep him?

Yes, and we recoup roughly 20M if we cut him. I'm more than ready to move on, it would take a major change in health status for me to even consider otherwise.

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 11:02

Madcity_matt wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:21

Half Empty wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:13

Isn't his cap hit still $40+ million if they keep him?

Yes, and we recoup roughly 20M if we cut him. I'm more than ready to move on, it would take a major change in health status for me to even consider otherwise.

At this point I'm rolling the dice. We have gotten nothing out of him. I would hate to cut him and the Jets sign him for cheap and he then balls in 2024.

He is a UFA in 2025. I lean towards keeping him in 2024 if they think he is healthy and then either play him and sign a cheap extension, get a comp pick, or trade him to a team who is desperate.

We have already eaten so much on him. What's another $20 million? Cutting him removes all options. Keeping him costs $20 million but gives us options.

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 11:02

Madcity_matt wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:21

Half Empty wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:13

Isn't his cap hit still $40+ million if they keep him?

Yes, and we recoup roughly 20M if we cut him. I'm more than ready to move on, it would take a major change in health status for me to even consider otherwise.

At this point I'm rolling the dice. We have gotten nothing out of him. I would hate to cut him and the Jets sign him for cheap and he then balls in 2024.

He is a UFA in 2025. I lean towards keeping him in 2024 if they think he is healthy and then either play him and sign a cheap extension, get a comp pick, or trade him to a team who is desperate.

We have already eaten so much on him. What's another $20 million? Cutting him removes all options. Keeping him costs $20 million but gives us options.

Half Empty wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 11:44

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 11:02

Madcity_matt wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:21

Yes, and we recoup roughly 20M if we cut him. I'm more than ready to move on, it would take a major change in health status for me to even consider otherwise.

At this point I'm rolling the dice. We have gotten nothing out of him. I would hate to cut him and the Jets sign him for cheap and he then balls in 2024.

He is a UFA in 2025. I lean towards keeping him in 2024 if they think he is healthy and then either play him and sign a cheap extension, get a comp pick, or trade him to a team who is desperate.

We have already eaten so much on him. What's another $20 million? Cutting him removes all options. Keeping him costs $20 million but gives us options.

Certainly can't get more subjective than this sort of discussion. However, one of the first things I always ask myself is "if I read this about another team, how would I feel?" If I saw that the Bears had a 300+ pound player that has played 12, 1, 11, and 1 game in the last four years, will be 33 next year, has had four knee operations in the last three years, and would cost $40+ against the cap (1/3 more than the #2 guy in the league at his position), I'd be LMAO.

Then there's the "if they think he is healthy" aspect. Didn't they think he was healthy this year, starting the first game?

Not sure about all the rules and possibilities, but what would a "cheap extension" look like, and, more importantly, why would he do anything other than play out the one year @ $40 that he's guaranteed after the first game?

The comp pick is something, but (a) how much will he get from another team, given all the history and (b) is a potential late 3rd round pick worth hobbling the team's cap next year?

A trade is, again, something I don't know all the ins-and-outs about, but is anybody but the Jets going to looking to sign a guy who was a really, really great player prior to 2021 but has been a basket case ever since?

No way of determining the best way to handle this without 20/20 hindsight, so we'll just have to wait and see. Just wanted to get my rationale out there.

Half Empty wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 11:44

go pak go wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 11:02

Madcity_matt wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023 10:21

Yes, and we recoup roughly 20M if we cut him. I'm more than ready to move on, it would take a major change in health status for me to even consider otherwise.

At this point I'm rolling the dice. We have gotten nothing out of him. I would hate to cut him and the Jets sign him for cheap and he then balls in 2024.

He is a UFA in 2025. I lean towards keeping him in 2024 if they think he is healthy and then either play him and sign a cheap extension, get a comp pick, or trade him to a team who is desperate.

We have already eaten so much on him. What's another $20 million? Cutting him removes all options. Keeping him costs $20 million but gives us options.

Certainly can't get more subjective than this sort of discussion. However, one of the first things I always ask myself is "if I read this about another team, how would I feel?" If I saw that the Bears had a 300+ pound player that has played 12, 1, 11, and 1 game in the last four years, will be 33 next year, has had four knee operations in the last three years, and would cost $40+ against the cap (1/3 more than the #2 guy in the league at his position), I'd be LMAO.

Then there's the "if they think he is healthy" aspect. Didn't they think he was healthy this year, starting the first game?

Not sure about all the rules and possibilities, but what would a "cheap extension" look like, and, more importantly, why would he do anything other than play out the one year @ $40 that he's guaranteed after the first game?

The comp pick is something, but (a) how much will he get from another team, given all the history and (b) is a potential late 3rd round pick worth hobbling the team's cap next year?

A trade is, again, something I don't know all the ins-and-outs about, but is anybody but the Jets going to looking to sign a guy who was a really, really great player prior to 2021 but has been a basket case ever since?

No way of determining the best way to handle this without 20/20 hindsight, so we'll just have to wait and see. Just wanted to get my rationale out there.