Do we have a bad, good, or great roster in 2023?

[Acrobat]

I'm good with designed QB runs as long as Love knows to slide each and every time.

[Yoop]

I don't get this read option, why are you trying to confuse us? we do a lot of play action, is that what you refer to as read option, play action does everything you just described, including RPO.

people reinvent terminology all the time, imo it's all basically the same &%$@

There are significant differences as I explained. RPO is run, pass option. Read Option is a run play. Play action is only a pass play with a fake hand off. Play action is not what we are talking about at all.

I am not trying to confuse, I am trying to educate. This is an explanation of the terminology that has been around for many decades.

The biggest and most simplistic distinctions:

Play-action = Called Pass Play
Read Option = Called Run Play
RPO = QB Determines Run or Pass based on pre-snap read

come on, it's Mumbo Jumbo

all 3 are option plays, sure Read option is most often referred to as a QB run play, or designed QB run, but RPO ( run pass option) even spells out that it is a option play, and play action encompasses both the option to pass or hand it to the RB.



most of this stuff to me is about blocking assignments anyway. again I don't see Lafleur turning Love into a running QB, so this stuff imho isn't even going to happen, enjoy your fantasies

[Pckfn23]

come on, it's Mumbo Jumbo

Mumbo Jumbo maybe, but it refers to fairly different aspects of an offense.

all 3 are option plays,

Play action is NOT an option play.

sure Read option is most often referred to as a QB run play, or designed QB run,

Read option is not most often referred to as a QB run play. It is an option play where both the QB or RB gets the carry depending on what the read key does.

but RPO ( run pass option) even spells out that it is a option play, and

Yes, it without a doubt is an option play.

play action encompasses both the option to pass or hand it to the RB.

Incorrect. Play action does not have a designed run/option component.

most of this stuff to me is about blocking assignments anyway.

Option is about much more than that because you do not have to block a player. That is why it can be so effective.

This is not about turning Love in a running QB and no one has said they want to do that. This was brought up because these may be effective play used a handful of times a game because Love is younger and more athletic at this stage.

[Yoop]

Here are some references:
Read Option https://bleacherreport.com/articles/207 ... ead-option
RPO https://www.viqtorysports.com/rpo-footb ... to-run-it/
Play Action https://thestadiumreviews.com/blogs/inf ... -football/

Brandon these are people that have made a living out of making up complicated terminology concerning football, don't take this wrong I read all this stuff too, but we've been doing what basically is walling of defenders since the days of Vince Lombardi with zone blocking schemes and the blocking assignments tend to get tagged with differing names, inside and outside zone assignments have hardly changed over the years, just the names attached to them have.

and Naturally someone will have a explanation concerning every deviance of the basic concept

[Pckfn23]

Here are some references:
Read Option https://bleacherreport.com/articles/207 ... ead-option
RPO https://www.viqtorysports.com/rpo-footb ... to-run-it/
Play Action https://thestadiumreviews.com/blogs/inf ... -football/

Brandon these are people that have made a living out of making up complicated terminology concerning football, don't take this wrong I read all this stuff too, but we've been doing what basically is walling of defenders since the days of Vince Lombardi with zone blocking schemes and the blocking assignments tend to get tagged with differing names, inside and outside zone assignments have hardly changed over the years, just the names attached to them have.

and Naturally someone will have a explanation concerning every deviance of the basic concept

Incorrect, these are different concepts, not just deviations of basic concepts, even more different than inside to outside zone runs and the difference between zone block and man block. These are option plays, not just walling off defenders. A defender is the read key in these plays and they do not have to be blocked. In the case of read option the QB can read the 5 technique. If he closes down the line the QB keeps it and runs right where the 5tech vacated. If he doesn't the QB gives to the RB. In the case of RPO the QB keys the safety. If the safety is playing downhill and/or is up near the line, the QB can hit the slant right behind him. If not, the QB gives to the RB. So... Not the same as just walling off defenders or creating gaps.

[Yoop]

Play action is NOT an option play.

It sure can be, you don't know that some of the PA didn't end up as a run, which I believe it did, if ya pass often enough from a run formation it ceases to be affective, I don't care how these yokels describe how it's suppose to work, I have eyes and see how it actually plays out, play action is the predecessor to RPO and read option, so in essence it's all play action.

again, the first thing a QB does breaking the huddle is look at defense alignments and how they change as he starts his cadence, the reason Rodgers runs the clock down is to wait for there final adjustments, and that is when he calls out the blocking adjustments for the line, typically thats the last word he says prior to hike.
I didn't look up our % of play action used but I'd guess it's at least 50% of the offensive plays

[NCF]

It sure can be, you don't know that some of the PA didn't end up as a run, which I believe it did

It can't be. He does know. Just because you believe doesn't make it so. If, as you say, it ended up as a run, it is an RPO and not play action. This is the very definition of these terms. Not nitpicking, just the scenario you are describing is an RPO even if the QB turns his back to the defense. A play action is 100% a called pass and an executed pass, always.

[Yoop]

Here are some references:
Read Option https://bleacherreport.com/articles/207 ... ead-option
RPO https://www.viqtorysports.com/rpo-footb ... to-run-it/
Play Action https://thestadiumreviews.com/blogs/inf ... -football/

Brandon these are people that have made a living out of making up complicated terminology concerning football, don't take this wrong I read all this stuff too, but we've been doing what basically is walling of defenders since the days of Vince Lombardi with zone blocking schemes and the blocking assignments tend to get tagged with differing names, inside and outside zone assignments have hardly changed over the years, just the names attached to them have.

and Naturally someone will have a explanation concerning every deviance of the basic concept

Incorrect, these are different concepts, not just deviations of basic concepts, even more different than inside to outside zone runs and the difference between zone block and man block. These are option plays, not just walling off defenders. A defender is the read key in these plays and they do not have to be blocked. In the case of read option the QB can read the 5 technique. If he closes down the line the QB keeps it and runs right where the 5tech vacated. If he doesn't the QB gives to the RB. In the case of RPO the QB keys the safety. If the safety is playing downhill and/or is up near the line, the QB can hit the slant right behind him. If not, the QB gives to the RB. So... Not the same as just walling off defenders or creating gaps.

thanks for the education that 99.9 % of fans will never even notice, and defense do so much minuet adjustment you wouldn't even notice what your trying to describe either, what a defense does best these days is create confusion, so my point is that nothing is a absolute.

[Pckfn23]

thanks for the education that 99.9 % of fans will never even notice, and defense do so much minuet adjustment you wouldn't even notice what your trying to describe either, what a defense does best these days is create confusion, so my point is that nothing is a absolute.

These are absolutes. They are also easy to see in game, if one knows what to look for. For the RPO and read option there is a mesh where the QB can keep it or give it to the RB. Play action, there is not a mesh as it is ALWAYS a pass. So as NCF pointed out accurately, we do know.

[Yoop]

It sure can be, you don't know that some of the PA didn't end up as a run, which I believe it did

It can't be. He does know. Just because you believe doesn't make it so. If, as you say, it ended up as a run, it is an RPO and not play action. This is the very definition of these terms. Not nitpicking, just the scenario you are describing is an RPO even if the QB turns his back to the defense. A play action is 100% a called pass and an executed pass, always.

what??????? so now according to you what has always been termed a play action option becomes a RPO if he hands the ball to the RB???? someone gave it that title, and it's simply a terminology deviant of basic play action, Vince Lombardi would laugh you right out of the building

[Pckfn23]

It sure can be, you don't know that some of the PA didn't end up as a run, which I believe it did

It can't be. He does know. Just because you believe doesn't make it so. If, as you say, it ended up as a run, it is an RPO and not play action. This is the very definition of these terms. Not nitpicking, just the scenario you are describing is an RPO even if the QB turns his back to the defense. A play action is 100% a called pass and an executed pass, always.

what??????? so now according to you what has always been termed a play action option becomes a RPO if he hands the ball to the RB???? someone gave it that title, and it's simply a terminology deviant of basic play action, Vince Lombardi would laugh you right out of the building

There is no such thing as a play action option.

[Yoop]

thanks for the education that 99.9 % of fans will never even notice, and defense do so much minuet adjustment you wouldn't even notice what your trying to describe either, what a defense does best these days is create confusion, so my point is that nothing is a absolute.

These are absolutes. They are also easy to see in game, if one knows what to look for. For the RPO and read option there is a mesh where the QB can keep it or give it to the RB. Play action, there is not a mesh as it is ALWAYS a pass. So as NCF pointed out accurately, we do know.

no you don't, and if you think your right then list em this coming season

[Pckfn23]

thanks for the education that 99.9 % of fans will never even notice, and defense do so much minuet adjustment you wouldn't even notice what your trying to describe either, what a defense does best these days is create confusion, so my point is that nothing is a absolute.

These are absolutes. They are also easy to see in game, if one knows what to look for. For the RPO and read option there is a mesh where the QB can keep it or give it to the RB. Play action, there is not a mesh as it is ALWAYS a pass. So as NCF pointed out accurately, we do know.

no you don't, and if you think your right then list em this coming season

I absolutely do and I explained how you can determine it. I can point them out from last season as well. Love did it a few times.

[Yoop]

It can't be. He does know. Just because you believe doesn't make it so. If, as you say, it ended up as a run, it is an RPO and not play action. This is the very definition of these terms. Not nitpicking, just the scenario you are describing is an RPO even if the QB turns his back to the defense. A play action is 100% a called pass and an executed pass, always.

what??????? so now according to you what has always been termed a play action option becomes a RPO if he hands the ball to the RB???? someone gave it that title, and it's simply a terminology deviant of basic play action, Vince Lombardi would laugh you right out of the building

There is no such thing as a play action option.

always has been, RPO didn't even become a NFL term till about 12 years ago, and again has to do with blocking adjustments, strong side blocking assignments.

prior to RPO I guess we just passed all the time in pass formations and ran in run formations, mumbo Jumbo.

[Yoop]

These are absolutes. They are also easy to see in game, if one knows what to look for. For the RPO and read option there is a mesh where the QB can keep it or give it to the RB. Play action, there is not a mesh as it is ALWAYS a pass. So as NCF pointed out accurately, we do know.

no you don't, and if you think your right then list em this coming season

I absolutely do and I explained how you can determine it. I can point them out from last season as well. Love did it a few times.

if so do it this coming season, again the way DE's and OLB's move and safety's slide up to the LOS I think it's near impossible to know exactly what is happening, and just because you read a book doesn't mean you can deceiver everything you see.

for crip sacks Bart Starr did PA and they weren't all pass plays, QB's have always had the option of changing the plays and no one called it RPO or read option

[Pckfn23]

what??????? so now according to you what has always been termed a play action option becomes a RPO if he hands the ball to the RB???? someone gave it that title, and it's simply a terminology deviant of basic play action, Vince Lombardi would laugh you right out of the building

There is no such thing as a play action option.

always has been, RPO didn't even become a NFL term till about 12 years ago, and again has to do with blocking adjustments, strong side blocking assignments.

prior to RPO I guess we just passed all the time in pass formations and ran in run formations, mumbo Jumbo.

Again, no, play action option is not real. RPO doesn't have to do with blocking schemes, it has to do with the option of passing or giving to the RB for a run. I would suggest reading up on what ai brought to explain the RPO.

Also it is not about formations. Formations have little to do with these options plays as they can be run out of most formations.

[Pckfn23]

no you don't, and if you think your right then list em this coming season

I absolutely do and I explained how you can determine it. I can point them out from last season as well. Love did it a few times.

if so do it this coming season, again the way DE's and OLB's move and safety's slide up to the LOS I think it's near impossible to know exactly what is happening, and just because you read a book doesn't mean you can deceiver everything you see.

for crip sacks Bart Starr did PA and they weren't all pass plays, QB's have always had the option of changing the plays and no one called it RPO or read option

That is why these are post snap reads. They can move all they want, but their play after the snap determines the give or keep.

Also, this isn't changing the play as in an audible. That is entirely different and not related to this discussion.

Bart Starr NEVER ran a play action and it was a designed run. No QB has ever done so.

[NCF]

The sky is blue.

[mention]Yoop[/mention]: $%@# that!! You guys are dumb.

[Pckfn23]

Please take a minute to read this on the RPO: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/nfl-fa ... tion-guide

[Yoop]

The sky is blue.

@Yoop: $%@# that!! You guys are dumb.

ahhh, my sky is not blue, it's hazy and smells like smoke, and is hard to breath

No, you guys just like to complicate stuff, it makes you sound smart

now he's saying these are all decided or designated plays, if a QB switches from a pass to a run or vice versa he is optioning out (audibling ) and Bart Starr did that plenty