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Yet if we draft a receiver, and it is clear before his rookie contract expires that he is really good, I want to keep them.
I do not agree with this idea pervading the forum that they are going to be expensive, so let them walk and keep drafting WRs over and over.
Well, so be it, an elite WR is worth their money; part of the value of a draft pick is that you (ideally) get guys to play for many years.
We had Adams for 8 years. His 1k-yard seasons were Years 5, 7, and 8 (he was 3 yards away from 1k in both Years 3 and 6). He also had two more 1k seasons as a Raider, so 9 and 10 were also very productive for him. His rookie-contract years were (comparatively) unimpressive.
You are going to miss out on that kind of play if you refuse to pony up for your homegrown talent, the very prime of their career.
No you definitely keep 1 or 2 on second contracts. But we have 5 quality guys. So it is inevatible you don't keep all of them on a 2nd contract. You determine the true difference makers and draft replace the guys who are replaceable.
Decisions will eventually have to be made. At that time it will be good to have a guy on year 2 of a rookie contract to fill their shoes.
GPG, you damn right I got a grudge, all I've ever gotten from you and others is push back for wanting to draft receivers.
No. You get push back because you tilt every discussion to one or two pet topic narratives whether the facts or direction of the conversation dictates it or not.
All roads lead back to not drafting a WR for 7 years and Gary being a bad draft pick. It has been this story on 90% of posts since 2017.
Makes me hate Jimmy Graham even more now. If he just caught the damn ball all of this narrative would have been for naught.
GPG, you damn right I got a grudge, all I've ever gotten from you and others is push back for wanting to draft receivers.
It's not even been a week and you back to this nonsense? You didn't get pushback for waning to draft receivers...
the defense for the 3 stooges amounts to the same thing,
It doesn't. Drafting 3 mid-to-late round WR's is good process as it substantially increases your odds of getting a hit. It doesn't replace the need to keep stoking the fire with better talent. Very few (none that I know of) suggested otherwise. As a fan base, we were in on every big name WR tied to the Packers both in The Draft, via trade market and FA. They are two very distinct and separate arguments and you keep trying to combine them into one.
GPG, you damn right I got a grudge, all I've ever gotten from you and others is push back for wanting to draft receivers.
It's not even been a week and you back to this nonsense? You didn't get pushback for waning to draft receivers...
the defense for the 3 stooges amounts to the same thing,
That didn't happen either.
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Remember everyone, it's Wide Receiver Fever season. If you find yourself staring wistfully at a photo of Darnell Mooney, or watching film of a 6'5" receiver from Worcester Polytechnic Institute, seek help immediately.
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He won’t cost nearly that. Considering it’s this late in FA and he’s a true UFA being cut he should go for less than $10M IMO. I’m willing to bet with his age the hangul is length of a deal at this point.
Well damn, if we had some cap space, I’d have give them a 3rd this year.
The Chiefs have plenty of cap space available. I would MUCH rather have a highly paid and motivated Sneed on my roster than trade him away for a third and exchange of 7th round picks. I have no idea of the "why" in this deal.
The Chiefs have plenty of cap space available. I would MUCH rather have a highly paid and motivated Sneed on my roster than trade him away for a third and exchange of 7th round picks. I have no idea of the "why" in this deal.
The Chiefs cleared nearly $20 million of cap space by trading Sneed, they didn't have a ton before making the move. With them having talented players like McDuffie, Watson and Williams at cornerback with all of them still on rookie deals it might make sense to not pay Sneed elite money.
Yet if we draft a receiver, and it is clear before his rookie contract expires that he is really good, I want to keep them.
I do not agree with this idea pervading the forum that they are going to be expensive, so let them walk and keep drafting WRs over and over.
Well, so be it, an elite WR is worth their money; part of the value of a draft pick is that you (ideally) get guys to play for many years.
We had Adams for 8 years. His 1k-yard seasons were Years 5, 7, and 8 (he was 3 yards away from 1k in both Years 3 and 6). He also had two more 1k seasons as a Raider, so 9 and 10 were also very productive for him. His rookie-contract years were (comparatively) unimpressive.
You are going to miss out on that kind of play if you refuse to pony up for your homegrown talent, the very prime of their career.
No you definitely keep 1 or 2 on second contracts. But we have 5 quality guys. So it is inevatible you don't keep all of them on a 2nd contract. You determine the true difference makers and draft replace the guys who are replaceable.
Decisions will eventually have to be made. At that time it will be good to have a guy on year 2 of a rookie contract to fill their shoes.
Was listening to the Athletic Football podcast last week and they made some observations about free agency relevant to this discussion.
In short, they looked at the number of multi-year starter-level contracts given out to WRs and OTs this year and realized there were only two of each. (Jeudy wasn’t counted since he was a trade).
Mooney and Ridley were the only two WRs and Jonah Williams and someone else I don’t recall were the only two OTs (I think Tyron Smith was only a one year deal)
The point they were making is that these positions just don’t hit the market. If teams have a good one, they generally keep them. And that scarcity on the market is really driving the price up.
Now that isn’t the only thing driving the markets. They differentiate between the interior OL market where the price tag is skyrocketing but there are lots of hits on the market and the rebounding RB market where there were as always a lot of players available, but the top of the market saw more guys get paid than the past two years.
Jonah Williams and someone else I don’t recall were the only two OTs (I think Tyron Smith was only a one year deal)
Nijman?
I don't think he was given what they were considering a "starter-level" contract, which just saying it here sounds arbitrary, but is based on their review of literally all the NFL contracts and what non-rookie contract starters are paid. I know for WR they were looking at anything above $10M/year and I remember some discussion for OTs about how there are literally two NFL contracts around the $7M/year mark that is this borderline "compete for a starting job but maybe not preferred starter" and that everything else is $5M/year or below or $XXM/year or above (I'm thinking it was 12 million but again, can't recall the exact details)
It was an interesting discussion; I think it was the Friday episode. I'd recommend it. Unfortunately, the Athletic Football Podcast feed combines all of their NFL pods into one stream and I find some more interesting or relevant than others. Like, I think it's Thursdays where they have Dane on for "Prospects to pros" (which I like/love) and Saturdays it's former GM Randy Mueller for a GM's perspective (which I don't care about at all). But Tuesdays and Fridays right now are just Robert Mays and Nate Tice (usually) talking about current football-related things. Obviously, free agency-heavy the past two weeks, but shifting into draft-heavy now. Tice (and Brugler, of course) stay on top of college/draft stuff year round. Mays is mostly NFL-centered and catches up on draft stuff as they go.
I've always been a big fan of Mays' work, despite him being a Bears fan.
In fairness, that particular stooge now has more SB rings than Errant Roger. 
