Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 16:30
Really?
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Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 16:39
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 16:58
This move is reminding more and more of Charles Woodson. Everyone is like "ugh he sucks we overpaid him" and just wait till he dominates the next 2-3 years.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 17:12
I don't think anyone is saying Jacobs sucks. We're just having a value of RB contracts debate while also comparing him to the guy who did not suck who he is replacing on our roster
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 17:13
Well [mention]NCF[/mention] seems like he is saying that...YoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 17:12I don't think anyone is saying Jacobs sucks. We're just having a value of RB contracts debate while also comparing him to the guy who did not suck who he is replacing on our roster
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 17:14
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 17:58
I am saying he got way more than he should have from us compared to Jones.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 17:13Well @NCF seems like he is saying that...YoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 17:12I don't think anyone is saying Jacobs sucks. We're just having a value of RB contracts debate while also comparing him to the guy who did not suck who he is replacing on our roster
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 18:01
You gunna come into Lambeau in December/January and try to tackle this.
He already likes it here.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 18:18
They got almost identical contacts from us at the same age...NCF wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 17:58I am saying he got way more than he should have from us compared to Jones.Madcity_matt wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 17:13Well @NCF seems like he is saying that...YoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 17:12I don't think anyone is saying Jacobs sucks. We're just having a value of RB contracts debate while also comparing him to the guy who did not suck who he is replacing on our roster
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 18:59
I just think Jones is a far superior back.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 19:27
I don’t think Jacobs sucks at all. I just really think paying any type of RB is terrible.
I’m not sure how you can say Jones is a superior back. To this point he has just one pro bowl compared to Jacobs 2 and an All Pro bid despite Jones always having far superior offensive lines and surrounding weapons.
I think this is a lateral move in terms of talent but with Jacobs you have a player who can handle the load an entire season where Jones in no way can do that. Jones is getting paid significantly less because he is going to have to play significantly less.
I’m not sure how you can say Jones is a superior back. To this point he has just one pro bowl compared to Jacobs 2 and an All Pro bid despite Jones always having far superior offensive lines and surrounding weapons.
I think this is a lateral move in terms of talent but with Jacobs you have a player who can handle the load an entire season where Jones in no way can do that. Jones is getting paid significantly less because he is going to have to play significantly less.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 19:42
I can't agree with that. I think Jones is the better player and probably will be for 2024, but this isn't just about 2024. I like Jones ALOT, but this isn't swapping Christian McCaffrey for AJ Dillon.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 20:58
Aaron Jones was absolutely ridiculous in 2023 down the stretch. Definitely skews our perception of Jones.
But there were absolutely times Jones disappeared.
But there were absolutely times Jones disappeared.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 21:24
I think the usage has really skewed the debate. Jones was never USED like a bell cow. And now he's 29 and he was dinged up this past year (played all 17 in '22, though) and so using him as a bell cow sounds like a bad idea.
Jacobs is used like a bell cow. He's been very good at times and very regular at times. He's a volume player.
Jones has had better yards per carry consistently; Jones looks to create more from less more frequently. Jacobs has better total numbers and overall production.
I value better efficiency. Most backs aren't volume plays anymore; rotating your backfield to keep them fresh is part of the game; I don't see Jones' usage as a weakness so long as he does well when he's there. a career yards per carry of 5.0 is nuts. That's just rare. There is only one active RB better (Chubb--Jones beats Jonathan Taylor on rounding)
So yes, Jones is the superior player in my book. He elevates an offense more in my mind, while Jacobs does his job at a very high level but isn't special to me. I think we'll like him. He can do everything pretty well and if he isn't slowing down, he will have great results. He was also called the heartbeat of his team by his former coach and was credited as a positive force for keeping it together in-house during the chaos the past year. He's good.
It's his price tag and his comparison to Jones that makes me complain about it so much.
Jacobs is used like a bell cow. He's been very good at times and very regular at times. He's a volume player.
Jones has had better yards per carry consistently; Jones looks to create more from less more frequently. Jacobs has better total numbers and overall production.
I value better efficiency. Most backs aren't volume plays anymore; rotating your backfield to keep them fresh is part of the game; I don't see Jones' usage as a weakness so long as he does well when he's there. a career yards per carry of 5.0 is nuts. That's just rare. There is only one active RB better (Chubb--Jones beats Jonathan Taylor on rounding)
So yes, Jones is the superior player in my book. He elevates an offense more in my mind, while Jacobs does his job at a very high level but isn't special to me. I think we'll like him. He can do everything pretty well and if he isn't slowing down, he will have great results. He was also called the heartbeat of his team by his former coach and was credited as a positive force for keeping it together in-house during the chaos the past year. He's good.
It's his price tag and his comparison to Jones that makes me complain about it so much.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 12 Mar 2024 22:17
Off topic, but I wonder if AJ Dillon gets absolutely no traction anywhere else if we would have him back at vet minimum to be rb2 or even 3.
He might not fit in the roster buildout even for free, but he was a good guy that we drafted in 2nd round.
I also hear we really like manny Wilson
He might not fit in the roster buildout even for free, but he was a good guy that we drafted in 2nd round.
I also hear we really like manny Wilson
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 13 Mar 2024 06:05
I don't like the Packers to spend a significant amount of money on a running back. In my opinion it makes more sense to do that with a wide receiver or a safety. It's entirely possible the Jaguars and Falcons regret doing that on Davis and Mooney though.BF004 wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 11:02Even if this isn't a fan favorite move, can we all agree that Josh Jacobs, with very low guaranteed money at $12m per is a significantly more impactful signing and better use of money than the Jags and Falcons spending $13m per on Gabe Davis and Darnell Mooney?
I mean its an all-pro player coming off a franchise tag vs. two guys who had to fight for snaps on their team.
Keep drafting WR's forever, don't really ever wanna pay any open market prices while their numbers are so crazy right now. Happier to spend at RB and S to be honest.
I honestly don't believe signing Jacobs will come anywhere close to have the same impact as brining in Woodson did.
Jones has averaged 5.05 yards a carry in his career compared to 4.25 for Jacobs. That's a huge margin and supports the notion that Jones is the better player.lupedafiasco wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 19:27I’m not sure how you can say Jones is a superior back. To this point he has just one pro bowl compared to Jacobs 2 and an All Pro bid despite Jones always having far superior offensive lines and surrounding weapons.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 13 Mar 2024 06:48
YoHoChecko wrote: ↑12 Mar 2024 21:24I think the usage has really skewed the debate. Jones was never USED like a bell cow. And now he's 29 and he was dinged up this past year (played all 17 in '22, though) and so using him as a bell cow sounds like a bad idea.
Jacobs is used like a bell cow. He's been very good at times and very regular at times. He's a volume player.
Jones has had better yards per carry consistently; Jones looks to create more from less more frequently. Jacobs has better total numbers and overall production.
I value better efficiency. Most backs aren't volume plays anymore; rotating your backfield to keep them fresh is part of the game; I don't see Jones' usage as a weakness so long as he does well when he's there. a career yards per carry of 5.0 is nuts. That's just rare. There is only one active RB better (Chubb--Jones beats Jonathan Taylor on rounding)
So yes, Jones is the superior player in my book. He elevates an offense more in my mind, while Jacobs does his job at a very high level but isn't special to me. I think we'll like him. He can do everything pretty well and if he isn't slowing down, he will have great results. He was also called the heartbeat of his team by his former coach and was credited as a positive force for keeping it together in-house during the chaos the past year. He's good.
It's his price tag and his comparison to Jones that makes me complain about it so much
ditto
good point, we have platooned our RB's from the day we drafted Jones, and Jacobs has been used more as a feature RB, we learned with Jones that less amounts to more, platooning kept him fresher for plays he was given the ball, and platooning extended his career.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out, Jones is the older RB, Jacobs used more, hope both do well unless Jones is playing against us, he was one of the better RB's and players the team has had.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 13 Mar 2024 07:17
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 13 Mar 2024 08:56
Better in terms of personal preference is subjective. Some prefer what Jones brings to what Jacobs does. To each their own.
Objectively, Jacobs's 2022 campaign exceeds any season by Jones in terms of total offense. His peers ranked him #12 among the top players in the league after that season.
Objectively, Jacobs's 2022 campaign exceeds any season by Jones in terms of total offense. His peers ranked him #12 among the top players in the league after that season.
Re: Packers are signing RB Josh Jacobs!
Posted: 13 Mar 2024 08:57
The one argument I can kinda feel is for Jones being better than Jacobs is that, even though Jacobs has shown he has a higher ceiling, that Jones may nonetheless be better for Green Bay. One of Jones's best attributes was the ability to making running lanes out of the smallest creases, which is valuable because our OL are not bullies in the running game.
On the flip side, MLF seems to want power at RB. He had Derrick Henry in TEN and we drafted AJ Dillon early in his tenure. The upshot of that is, it makes it harder for opposing teams to play light boxes and take LBs off the field for CBs. You could keep CBs on the field against 33.
On the flip side, MLF seems to want power at RB. He had Derrick Henry in TEN and we drafted AJ Dillon early in his tenure. The upshot of that is, it makes it harder for opposing teams to play light boxes and take LBs off the field for CBs. You could keep CBs on the field against 33.