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Mahomes is what Rodgers should have been, and for all the kvetching over our receivers, Mahomes has had way less than Rodgers had (yet has been better at winning big games).
No serious person would take what Mahomes had at receiver over what Rodgers had. Don't try to argue that point.
your insane, Rodgers hasn't had a field tilting receiver besides Adams for over 6 of his last season with us, not a TE, or slot and boundary, and had just as many 4th quarter comeback wins, hate does truly blind people from reality
What great receivers has Mahomes had lately, in the prime of his career? Kelce. That's it.
In the prime of Rodgers's career he had Nelson, Jennings, Cobb, Finley, Jones (Jones alone would be WR1 on all the KC teams after they traded Hill), even a young Adams for a few years with Nelson and/or Cobb (wasn't the amazing player yet that he later became, but even that version of Adams would be WR1 or 2 on KC teams after trading Hill).
No, yoop, what's insane and blind to reality is anyone who would even begin to think to argue that Mahomes has had it better than Rodgers in offensive supporting cast.
this is a re-run of the same ol tired argument we had before, when I showed you KC had more than just Kelce, and I'am not going to look up their yearly personal roster again just to sit here and argue with you, a offense requires either great route schemes or more than just 1 or 2 receiver options that a DC has to scheme special attention for, and we didn't have those players for the second half of Rodgers career with us, it is the biggest travesty for our team in the live ball era IMHO, you hate the guy, and there is no reasoning with you.
when Rodgers had weapons our passing offense was on pare with any in league history, and since Mahomes has been in the league Rodgers has had Adams, and a speed merchant in MVS, zipe at TE, slot and Boundary.
why your so hell bent on painting a Packer first ballot HOFamer, who is in the conversation as one of the most accurate deep ball QB's in NFL history the way you do is beyond rational or reasonable
Mahomes is what Rodgers should have been, and for all the kvetching over our receivers, Mahomes has had way less than Rodgers had (yet has been better at winning big games).
No serious person would take what Mahomes had at receiver over what Rodgers had. Don't try to argue that point.
2014 and 2021 will always be the postseasons I am most disappointed in Rodger not stepping up. The team around him did - especially the defense. Throw 2013 in there too.
The other seasons I can buy more into the mainstream narrative that everyone let Rodgers down and deserved the leadership stare.
If the Rodgers fangirls argued that our defenses weren't good enough, that would be a compelling argument, most years.
That's not their position, though. They always claim it was not having enough at WR. That is preposterous. Every QB has to go through a few seasons here and there without much help at WR. I've never seen a QB who had to deal with less of it than Rodgers. For the vast majority of his career, he had good ones. You can count on one had where it was inadequate.
her we go with the name calling again, you people are beyond goofy , Rodgers had a calf injury late that season and could barely lift his right arm during the end of that PO loss, it's why we didn't even have a receiver go out for a pass to keep that last drive alive
The 2014 NFL season has been filled with impressive performances, but perhaps no player performed more consistently and more brilliantly than Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.
Rodgers' regular-season numbers were simply incredible.
He ranked seventh on the season in yards passing with 4,381. His 38 touchdown passes were third most in the NFL. He tossed just five interceptions for the entire year and finished with a remarkable passer rating of 112.2. He was also voted NFL's Most Valuable Player by the Pro Football Writers of America.
Just look at some similar games with San Fran. We give up blocked punts and TD's on ST's and lose a game we should have won and KC gets muffed punts for Short field TD's and and blocked Extra points to even keep them in the game to then be in the positon to win a super bowl. All that gets lost and fans forget and think it's just excuses for Rodgers. Well, maybe, but it's also reality.
The SF loss is an insult to the defense. Not Rodgers. STs let the defense down. Shouldn't be out of this world to expect the MVP to score 14 points to advance.
shouldn't be out of the world to expect it, except he didn't play poorly at all given the conditions. Not even a little bit. He just didn't play better than everyone else again in that particular game and the result was, we lost. It's always that way in the big games.
NONE of them do it alone. NONE, not a single one, not brady, not brees, not Mahomes, not anybody. The big difference, those guys , well brady and Mahomes have teams that have picked it up when they couldn't to advance in the playoffs or to win a super bowl at one point or another. Rodgers hasn't had that in GB.
Rodgers put up 26 against Tampa, Mahomes, 9 a week later. Tom Brady won a super bowl throwing zero TD's and an INT scoring 13, in a win. ALmost Identical stats against a worse defense in much better conditions. He didn't play all that well either. Didn't play poorly, but not exactly good. but he's the GOAT and Rodgers just chokes...
Mahomes is what Rodgers should have been, and for all the kvetching over our receivers, Mahomes has had way less than Rodgers had (yet has been better at winning big games).
No serious person would take what Mahomes had at receiver over what Rodgers had. Don't try to argue that point.
2014 and 2021 will always be the postseasons I am most disappointed in Rodger not stepping up. The team around him did - especially the defense. Throw 2013 in there too.
The other seasons I can buy more into the mainstream narrative that everyone let Rodgers down and deserved the leadership stare.
If the Rodgers fangirls argued that our defenses weren't good enough, that would be a compelling argument, most years.
That's not their position, though. They always claim it was not having enough at WR. That is preposterous. Every QB has to go through a few seasons here and there without much help at WR. I've never seen a QB who had to deal with less of it than Rodgers. For the vast majority of his career, he had good ones. You can count on one had where it was inadequate.
do you have some sort of fetish or something? Fangirls is funny like the first 4,357 times you've said, but at this point it seems like you do it for your own enjoyment. What's the deal? Does it make you think your argument is more valid?
I happen to dislike the way many of you treat one of the games absolute greats and I think most of your arguments can be put into perspective better than you seem to.
2014 he let the team down? LOL. Jordy tripping out of his break missing a TD they hook up on 99 times out of 100. The non called offsides that resulted in a INT in the endzone? All pro shields and Dix watching a duck of a 2 point just float thru the air and let it be completed? HOF'er Peppers telling Burnett to lay down after an INT? ST's allowing a fake punt? $%&# and the onside?
Rodgers had one bad play against one of the all time great defenses in the history of the league playing on one leg, the INT to Cobb. He was pretty good all things considered that day.
2021? Apparently you didn't really watch ST's, they lost it. Rodgers did not play poorly. he didn't play lights out, but he wasn't bad. All these guys win games like that to move on. When Rodgers didn't, we didn't.
Just look at some similar games with San Fran. We give up blocked punts and TD's on ST's and lose a game we should have won and KC gets muffed punts for Short field TD's and and blocked Extra points to even keep them in the game to then be in the positon to win a super bowl. All that gets lost and fans forget and think it's just excuses for Rodgers. Well, maybe, but it's also reality.
The SF loss is an insult to the defense. Not Rodgers. STs let the defense down. Shouldn't be out of this world to expect the MVP to score 14 points to advance.
shouldn't be out of the world to expect it, except he didn't play poorly at all given the conditions. Not even a little bit. He just didn't play better than everyone else again in that particular game and the result was, we lost. It's always that way in the big games.
NONE of them do it alone. NONE, not a single one, not brady, not brees, not Mahomes, not anybody. The big difference, those guys , well brady and Mahomes have teams that have picked it up when they couldn't to advance in the playoffs or to win a super bowl at one point or another. Rodgers hasn't had that in GB.
Rodgers put up 26 against Tampa, Mahomes, 9 a week later. Tom Brady won a super bowl throwing zero TD's and an INT scoring 13, in a win. ALmost Identical stats against a worse defense in much better conditions. He didn't play all that well either. Didn't play poorly, but not exactly good. but he's the GOAT and Rodgers just chokes...
Just a shame we dropped the seasons we did. Even just getting 1 or 2 of 2007, 2011, 2014, 2020, 2021 would make a lot of hand wringing go away.
wow washington with 18 play drive, 2, 4th down conversions, the rest needed 3rd down conversions, and only got 3 points, longest drive by Washington this year, and now Barclay bust a huge run for a TD, 2 offensive drives and 10 points, go go offense
wow washington with 18 play drive, 2, 4th down conversions, the rest needed 3rd down conversions, and only got 3 points, longest drive by Washington this year, and now Barclay bust a huge run for a TD, 2 offensive drives and 10 points, go go offense
Washington killed any chance with turnovers. The AFCC game is a little more competitive.
Sad that all 3 NFC North teams lost their first playoff game.
Yeah, all the talk during the regular season about how dominant the NFCN was and then they all lay turds in the playoffs. Not unnoticed that both NFCCG participants hailed from the NFCE.
I am of the mind that being in a strong division does not "make you better" it is actually a terrible situation. You want the cakewalk, always.
MIN (more specifically, Darnold) just got exposed, but I feel like GB and DET just were so beat up from a brutal schedule that as soon as the playoffs started, our guys just started dropping like flies, left and right, in philly. DET had tons of injuries already, it just didn't cost them a game until WAS beat them.
Let's hope our divisional rivals all take a big step back.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
I am of the mind that being in a strong division does not "make you better" it is actually a terrible situation. You want the cakewalk, always.
MIN (more specifically, Darnold) just got exposed, but I feel like GB and DET just were so beat up from a brutal schedule that as soon as the playoffs started, our guys just started dropping like flies, left and right, in philly. DET had tons of injuries already, it just didn't cost them a game until WAS beat them.
Let's hope our divisional rivals all take a big step back.
10 years ago we said the NFC North was what was wrong because it was too easy. We said look at the NFC West. Iron sharpens iron with SEA and SF.
Frankly I don't think there is much correlation of this to the postseason. You can find contradicting examples all the time. The only constant is Tom Brady, Pat Mahomes, Andy Reid, Bill Belicheck always win. Always.
Oh and the Eagles are starting to become the bell cow in the NFC too the last 25 years.
I am of the mind that being in a strong division does not "make you better" it is actually a terrible situation. You want the cakewalk, always.
MIN (more specifically, Darnold) just got exposed, but I feel like GB and DET just were so beat up from a brutal schedule that as soon as the playoffs started, our guys just started dropping like flies, left and right, in philly. DET had tons of injuries already, it just didn't cost them a game until WAS beat them.
Let's hope our divisional rivals all take a big step back.
wow washington with 18 play drive, 2, 4th down conversions, the rest needed 3rd down conversions, and only got 3 points, longest drive by Washington this year, and now Barclay bust a huge run for a TD, 2 offensive drives and 10 points, go go offense
Washington killed any chance with turnovers. The AFCC game is a little more competitive.
was hoping Washington would not beat themselves, It's just a big stage for Daniels, or any rookie QB, and that defense does not forgive mistakes, we saw that with our team too, youth does have it's drawbacks.
I kept falling asleep during commercials with both games at times, more so with the Bills and KC, who again required the 12 man to win, that late 4th and inches looked like Allen had enough, Andy Ried owns the refs
I am of the mind that being in a strong division does not "make you better" it is actually a terrible situation. You want the cakewalk, always.
MIN (more specifically, Darnold) just got exposed, but I feel like GB and DET just were so beat up from a brutal schedule that as soon as the playoffs started, our guys just started dropping like flies, left and right, in philly. DET had tons of injuries already, it just didn't cost them a game until WAS beat them.
Let's hope our divisional rivals all take a big step back.
10 years ago we said the NFC North was what was wrong because it was too easy. We said look at the NFC West. Iron sharpens iron with SEA and SF.
Frankly I don't think there is much correlation of this to the postseason. You can find contradicting examples all the time. The only constant is Tom Brady, Pat Mahomes, Andy Reid, Bill Belicheck always win. Always.
Oh and the Eagles are starting to become the bell cow in the NFC too the last 25 years.
I think every team or player you mentioned first becomes fan favorites, then league favorites, which means they are Vegas favorites, which means they become ref favorites, have ya ever heard of insider trading?
after further review, who here doesn't think Allen got that first down? imo he crossed it, was then pushed back and the refs didn't give him that forward progress, jmo.
playing against the best with success confirms your doing things right, if ya lose it exposes elements of your process that needs improvement, not sure why anyone wouldn't think that makes you a better team, if anything it makes better prepared for the play offs
wow washington with 18 play drive, 2, 4th down conversions, the rest needed 3rd down conversions, and only got 3 points, longest drive by Washington this year, and now Barclay bust a huge run for a TD, 2 offensive drives and 10 points, go go offense
Washington killed any chance with turnovers. The AFCC game is a little more competitive.
was hoping Washington would not beat themselves, It's just a big stage for Daniels, or any rookie QB, and that defense does not forgive mistakes, we saw that with our team too, youth does have it's drawbacks.
I kept falling asleep during commercials with both games at times, more so with the Bills and KC, who again required the 12 man to win, that late 4th and inches looked like Allen had enough, Andy Ried owns the refs
Daniels does have a bright future. It looks like the Bears may have picked the wrong QB yet again.
Palmy - "Very few have the ability to truly excel regardless of system. For many the system is the difference between being just a guy or an NFL starter. Fact is, everyone is talented at this level."
In the prime of Rodgers's career he had Nelson, Jennings, Cobb, Finley, Jones
No, yoop, what's insane and blind to reality is anyone who would even begin to think to argue that Mahomes has had it better than Rodgers in offensive supporting cast.
this is a re-run of the same ol tired argument we had before, when I showed you KC had more than just Kelce, and I'am not going to look up their yearly personal roster again just to sit here and argue with you,
yoop: Mahomes's receiving weapons were SO GOOD, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THEIR NAMES without looking it up!
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
In the prime of Rodgers's career he had Nelson, Jennings, Cobb, Finley, Jones
No, yoop, what's insane and blind to reality is anyone who would even begin to think to argue that Mahomes has had it better than Rodgers in offensive supporting cast.
this is a re-run of the same ol tired argument we had before, when I showed you KC had more than just Kelce, and I'am not going to look up their yearly personal roster again just to sit here and argue with you,
yoop: Mahomes's receiving weapons were SO GOOD, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THEIR NAMES without looking it up!
you should realize just how valuable a great TE is to boosting production for an offense, but then since we haven't had one in your lifetime, you are forgiven for your ignorance
Kelce for KC does more than most any receiver could, add another big TE and now you have 1/3 of offensive line type blockers clearing run lanes, add a Tyrek Hill, and you have 2 receivers that demand over the top support, even with Tae and MVS best season and we still come up short, Lazard would never be considered as talented as Shuster or Hardeman, or other #2 or 3 WR KC has had compared to us.
this Sunday watch as Kelce clears out traffic as another KC receiver makes catches right behind him, it is a staple of their offense, and near unstoppable to defend, we've copied that as well with Kraft and Doubs or Reed I've seen, a great TE is invaluable
