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The post that triggered you FNGGRLZ wasn't even about Rodgers, per-se.

I was responding to the idea that "well X player is a big reason why we are good. We would be bad without X player. Therefore you are wrong to blame any loss on X player."

That's just straightforwardly wrong. Good players, even great ones, can cost you the game sometimes. It happens. In any other context, that's not a controversial statement. But, that would suggest Rodgers might be to blame for any playoff loss at all, and we can't have that!

I'm just not "objective" like you fangirls, who absolutely NEVER place any fault on one particular player. Wow, such objectivity, much reasoned analysis. :|
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Even the year they won the SB they had a really bad STs.
I don't think this is true, at all. What were the rankings? The special teams (the punt team, specifically) won us a game in NY (9-0) and played a major part in winning the NFC Championship Game. The early Rodgers years Teams units were pretty good. 2014 changed everything. The defense was so up and down. Mostly down when Rodgers was God mode and up when the rest of the offense couldn't match other years. The LaFleur years have been epically bad on ST, so nothing to argue about there.

Edit: Huh, I'll be GD'd.
In 2010, the Green Bay Packers finished 29th in the NFL for special teams, tying the 2009 New Orleans Saints for the worst finish by a Super Bowl champion.
Oh yeah we were bad. We lost at least three games due to STs in 2010 on the top of my head.

At Chicago - Devin Hester punt return for TD in 4th quarter
At Atlanta - Kick Return after we took lead on final drive to give ATL the go ahead winning FG
At New England - Kick Return by an offensive Lineman to nearly a TD
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Labrev wrote:
23 Feb 2025 19:54
:lol: :lol:

I used the example of another player i.e. NOT Aaron Rodgers to explain why I don't accept excuses for any player, on principle....

... and sure enough, the response of Rodgers FNGGRLZ is: :bigcry:

The little aside about receiver quality was beside the point.

Favre made us a perennial playoff team. And, he choked in the playoffs routinely.

He is not absolved of choking just because we would have been worse without him.

They don't get to win the playoff game just because they played well in the regular season; they have to *perform* in the game itself, and all their great play up to that point goes down the drain. Because *THAT* is how it works, fangirls.

The same is true of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and literally any and every other player.
haha, I bet you do the stand up democratic routine in the podium, you should black list yourself from that room, after all this is a right wing dominate forum, what would you expect for a liberal person such as yourself or me, people here hate me for my podium remarks 9 years ago, they hold a grudge, you and I would be on the same side in that room, but there is no way any mod here would ever let me back in that room again, and I don't blame them for that, I would never support who they voted for, not ever. :rotf:

just stop with your grade school insults Labrev, it's one thing to play around, but you take it to another level, and quit changing the playing field, for most of Rodgers career here he had bottom third of the league defense and ST's, and bottom third is a gracious ranking from me, most seasons it was near worst ST and defense.

defense wins championships, or so some people believe, but it also loses em to, which is a good description of our PO losses, either ST's or defense lost most of em for us, Rodgers simply couldn't over come there dastardly mistakes, in most of those loses Rodgers did his share to win those games, often better than the opposing teams QB, and they won do to having a better supporting cast, and that is the crux of that.

your the type, (and I don't mean it as a insult) that look for the most obvious thing to blame, most fans do, and that's the QB, they get all the blame for losses, and hero worship for wins, and we both know that's NOT accurate, you fail even to consider the real reason for these loses, such as lack of pass rush, coverage, poor receiver play, ST mistakes, poor play calling or game plans, lack of time for a come back, etc. etc. our list are endless of Rodgers supporting cast failures.

countless times over the years I/we have pointed out specific failures to satisfy you, but here you are wanting us to spend our valuable time researching all that stuff again, no, I will not do that, you been around long enough to know what we are telling you is actually factual, so quit acting disingenuous as though me, Lupe, others, are just making stuff up, no one here ever said Rodgers didn't share blame in losses, and no one here ever said or considered him a HERO, just that were not ignorant to just how good he was, and you actually insult yourself for not recognizing that too.

Rodgers is a jerk, everyone knows that, but his demand for receivers (anyone) to study and work hard to be better is fine with me, and if receivers get hurt feelings to dang bad, this isn't some popularity contest, accountability is important, a winning culture should be sought after not rejected, or ever questioned, and according to Kraft we lacked that last season.

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Yoop wrote:
24 Feb 2025 15:38
Labrev wrote:
23 Feb 2025 19:54
:lol: :lol:

I used the example of another player i.e. NOT Aaron Rodgers to explain why I don't accept excuses for any player, on principle....

... and sure enough, the response of Rodgers FNGGRLZ is: :bigcry:

The little aside about receiver quality was beside the point.

Favre made us a perennial playoff team. And, he choked in the playoffs routinely.

He is not absolved of choking just because we would have been worse without him.

They don't get to win the playoff game just because they played well in the regular season; they have to *perform* in the game itself, and all their great play up to that point goes down the drain. Because *THAT* is how it works, fangirls.

The same is true of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and literally any and every other player.
haha, I bet you do the stand up democratic routine in the podium, you should black list yourself from that room, after all this is a right wing dominate forum, what would you expect for a liberal person such as yourself or me, people here hate me for my podium remarks 9 years ago, they hold a grudge, you and I would be on the same side in that room, but there is no way any mod here would ever let me back in that room again, and I don't blame them for that, I would never support who they voted for, not ever. :rotf:

just stop with your grade school insults Labrev, it's one thing to play around, but you take it to another level, and quit changing the playing field, for most of Rodgers career here he had bottom third of the league defense and ST's, and bottom third is a gracious ranking from me, most seasons it was near worst ST and defense.

defense wins championships, or so some people believe, but it also loses em to, which is a good description of our PO losses, either ST's or defense lost most of em for us, Rodgers simply couldn't over come there dastardly mistakes, in most of those loses Rodgers did his share to win those games, often better than the opposing teams QB, and they won do to having a better supporting cast, and that is the crux of that.

your the type, (and I don't mean it as a insult) that look for the most obvious thing to blame, most fans do, and that's the QB, they get all the blame for losses, and hero worship for wins, and we both know that's NOT accurate, you fail even to consider the real reason for these loses, such as lack of pass rush, coverage, poor receiver play, ST mistakes, poor play calling or game plans, lack of time for a come back, etc. etc. our list are endless of Rodgers supporting cast failures.

countless times over the years I/we have pointed out specific failures to satisfy you, but here you are wanting us to spend our valuable time researching all that stuff again, no, I will not do that, you been around long enough to know what we are telling you is actually factual, so quit acting disingenuous as though me, Lupe, others, are just making stuff up, no one here ever said Rodgers didn't share blame in losses, and no one here ever said or considered him a HERO, just that were not ignorant to just how good he was, and you actually insult yourself for not recognizing that too.

Rodgers is a jerk, everyone knows that, but his demand for receivers (anyone) to study and work hard to be better is fine with me, and if receivers get hurt feelings to dang bad, this isn't some popularity contest, accountability is important, a winning culture should be sought after not rejected, or ever questioned, and according to Kraft we lacked that last season.
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Yoop wrote:
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what would you expect for a liberal person such as yourself or me,
I am not a Libtard.
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Yoop wrote:
24 Feb 2025 15:38
Labrev wrote:
23 Feb 2025 19:54
:lol: :lol:

I used the example of another player i.e. NOT Aaron Rodgers to explain why I don't accept excuses for any player, on principle....

... and sure enough, the response of Rodgers FNGGRLZ is: :bigcry:

The little aside about receiver quality was beside the point.

Favre made us a perennial playoff team. And, he choked in the playoffs routinely.

He is not absolved of choking just because we would have been worse without him.

They don't get to win the playoff game just because they played well in the regular season; they have to *perform* in the game itself, and all their great play up to that point goes down the drain. Because *THAT* is how it works, fangirls.

The same is true of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and literally any and every other player.
haha, I bet you do the stand up democratic routine in the podium, you should black list yourself from that room, after all this is a right wing dominate forum, what would you expect for a liberal person such as yourself or me, people here hate me for my podium remarks 9 years ago, they hold a grudge, you and I would be on the same side in that room, but there is no way any mod here would ever let me back in that room again, and I don't blame them for that, I would never support who they voted for, not ever. :rotf:

just stop with your grade school insults Labrev, it's one thing to play around, but you take it to another level, and quit changing the playing field, for most of Rodgers career here he had bottom third of the league defense and ST's, and bottom third is a gracious ranking from me, most seasons it was near worst ST and defense.

defense wins championships, or so some people believe, but it also loses em to, which is a good description of our PO losses, either ST's or defense lost most of em for us, Rodgers simply couldn't over come there dastardly mistakes, in most of those loses Rodgers did his share to win those games, often better than the opposing teams QB, and they won do to having a better supporting cast, and that is the crux of that.

your the type, (and I don't mean it as a insult) that look for the most obvious thing to blame, most fans do, and that's the QB, they get all the blame for losses, and hero worship for wins, and we both know that's NOT accurate, you fail even to consider the real reason for these loses, such as lack of pass rush, coverage, poor receiver play, ST mistakes, poor play calling or game plans, lack of time for a come back, etc. etc. our list are endless of Rodgers supporting cast failures.

countless times over the years I/we have pointed out specific failures to satisfy you, but here you are wanting us to spend our valuable time researching all that stuff again, no, I will not do that, you been around long enough to know what we are telling you is actually factual, so quit acting disingenuous as though me, Lupe, others, are just making stuff up, no one here ever said Rodgers didn't share blame in losses, and no one here ever said or considered him a HERO, just that were not ignorant to just how good he was, and you actually insult yourself for not recognizing that too.

Rodgers is a jerk, everyone knows that, but his demand for receivers (anyone) to study and work hard to be better is fine with me, and if receivers get hurt feelings to dang bad, this isn't some popularity contest, accountability is important, a winning culture should be sought after not rejected, or ever questioned, and according to Kraft we lacked that last season.
I am as left wing as they get and will never support our current President under any circumstances, but I can honestly say that since ceasing to post on the Podium forum, I haven't noticed any grudges being held in this forum. You're just playing the victim card here.

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Acrobat wrote:
25 Feb 2025 07:09
Yoop wrote:
24 Feb 2025 15:38
Labrev wrote:
23 Feb 2025 19:54
:lol: :lol:

I used the example of another player i.e. NOT Aaron Rodgers to explain why I don't accept excuses for any player, on principle....

... and sure enough, the response of Rodgers FNGGRLZ is: :bigcry:

The little aside about receiver quality was beside the point.

Favre made us a perennial playoff team. And, he choked in the playoffs routinely.

He is not absolved of choking just because we would have been worse without him.

They don't get to win the playoff game just because they played well in the regular season; they have to *perform* in the game itself, and all their great play up to that point goes down the drain. Because *THAT* is how it works, fangirls.

The same is true of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and literally any and every other player.
haha, I bet you do the stand up democratic routine in the podium, you should black list yourself from that room, after all this is a right wing dominate forum, what would you expect for a liberal person such as yourself or me, people here hate me for my podium remarks 9 years ago, they hold a grudge, you and I would be on the same side in that room, but there is no way any mod here would ever let me back in that room again, and I don't blame them for that, I would never support who they voted for, not ever. :rotf:

just stop with your grade school insults Labrev, it's one thing to play around, but you take it to another level, and quit changing the playing field, for most of Rodgers career here he had bottom third of the league defense and ST's, and bottom third is a gracious ranking from me, most seasons it was near worst ST and defense.

defense wins championships, or so some people believe, but it also loses em to, which is a good description of our PO losses, either ST's or defense lost most of em for us, Rodgers simply couldn't over come there dastardly mistakes, in most of those loses Rodgers did his share to win those games, often better than the opposing teams QB, and they won do to having a better supporting cast, and that is the crux of that.

your the type, (and I don't mean it as a insult) that look for the most obvious thing to blame, most fans do, and that's the QB, they get all the blame for losses, and hero worship for wins, and we both know that's NOT accurate, you fail even to consider the real reason for these loses, such as lack of pass rush, coverage, poor receiver play, ST mistakes, poor play calling or game plans, lack of time for a come back, etc. etc. our list are endless of Rodgers supporting cast failures.

countless times over the years I/we have pointed out specific failures to satisfy you, but here you are wanting us to spend our valuable time researching all that stuff again, no, I will not do that, you been around long enough to know what we are telling you is actually factual, so quit acting disingenuous as though me, Lupe, others, are just making stuff up, no one here ever said Rodgers didn't share blame in losses, and no one here ever said or considered him a HERO, just that were not ignorant to just how good he was, and you actually insult yourself for not recognizing that too.

Rodgers is a jerk, everyone knows that, but his demand for receivers (anyone) to study and work hard to be better is fine with me, and if receivers get hurt feelings to dang bad, this isn't some popularity contest, accountability is important, a winning culture should be sought after not rejected, or ever questioned, and according to Kraft we lacked that last season.
I am as left wing as they get and will never support our current President under any circumstances, but I can honestly say that since ceasing to post on the Podium forum, I haven't noticed any grudges being held in this forum. You're just playing the victim card here.
never said any were, I sent you a PM :)

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So Jordan Love huh?

Just wondering if the lack of drafting wide receivers in 2016 is going to hurt Jordan's chances in 2025.
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go pak go wrote:
25 Feb 2025 09:04
So Jordan Love huh?

Just wondering if the lack of drafting wide receivers in 2016 is going to hurt Jordan's chances in 2025.
Whats concerning is that organizationally we dont learn our lessons. STs cost us in 2014 and cost us again in 2021. The lack of passcatcher talent has really been an issue from 2018 on. Not once have we ever has two legitimate weapons to pass to since then. I think partially its not for a lack of trying, Gutenbumst has just been such an utterly awful drafter when it comes to finding talent at pass catcher. That said we have never really spent high on it either. We arent paying them in FA or going for one of the premium ones in the draft. The one time we moved up for one was for Watson who has been a colossal failure and not just because of his injuries. Hes not a very good player. Even when we did have a WR who should have absolutely been paid, we low balled him and tried to play hard ball until he told the GM he can shove it and forced his way off the team.

So where are we now? I have said it in this thread but I'm not sure we will ever know what Love is until we give him some legitimate weapons to throw to. Its just too mediocre a group to know anything about his ceiling. If they arent getting locked up they are dropping balls or running wrong routes.
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go pak go wrote:
25 Feb 2025 09:04
So Jordan Love huh?

Just wondering if the lack of drafting wide receivers in 2016 is going to hurt Jordan's chances in 2025.
we'll have to see if the recent additions amount to not drafting a good receiver since Adams produces, we may need a old vet drafted 10 years ago to bail out more of gutes draft misses, lets see, since 2021 he's used high to mid round picks on 8 receivers, 11 counting all the TE's, so far Kraft looks like a actual hit, a go to player, that we don't go to, enough, geeesus, that is putrid return any way you cut it., and if they don't improve it will screw up Love just as it did to Rodgers

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lupedafiasco wrote:
25 Feb 2025 10:37
go pak go wrote:
25 Feb 2025 09:04
So Jordan Love huh?

Just wondering if the lack of drafting wide receivers in 2016 is going to hurt Jordan's chances in 2025.
Whats concerning is that organizationally we dont learn our lessons. STs cost us in 2014 and cost us again in 2021. The lack of passcatcher talent has really been an issue from 2018 on. Not once have we ever has two legitimate weapons to pass to since then. I think partially its not for a lack of trying, Gutenbumst has just been such an utterly awful drafter when it comes to finding talent at pass catcher. That said we have never really spent high on it either. We arent paying them in FA or going for one of the premium ones in the draft. The one time we moved up for one was for Watson who has been a colossal failure and not just because of his injuries. Hes not a very good player. Even when we did have a WR who should have absolutely been paid, we low balled him and tried to play hard ball until he told the GM he can shove it and forced his way off the team.

So where are we now? I have said it in this thread but I'm not sure we will ever know what Love is until we give him some legitimate weapons to throw to. Its just too mediocre a group to know anything about his ceiling. If they arent getting locked up they are dropping balls or running wrong routes.
If Davante signs with us (which I think is a very high possibility) your WR group looks different very quickly. Especially if you get Wicks to catch the ball.

The line of "loaded" or "no talent" in the NFL is so slim. I could easily see a world where we are the envy of the NFL with Adams, Wicks, Reed, and Kraft as our pass catchers. And Watson coming back as the deep man late in the season.
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lupedafiasco wrote:
25 Feb 2025 10:37
go pak go wrote:
25 Feb 2025 09:04
So Jordan Love huh?

Just wondering if the lack of drafting wide receivers in 2016 is going to hurt Jordan's chances in 2025.
Whats concerning is that organizationally we dont learn our lessons. STs cost us in 2014 and cost us again in 2021. The lack of passcatcher talent has really been an issue from 2018 on. Not once have we ever has two legitimate weapons to pass to since then. I think partially its not for a lack of trying, Gutenbumst has just been such an utterly awful drafter when it comes to finding talent at pass catcher. That said we have never really spent high on it either. We arent paying them in FA or going for one of the premium ones in the draft. The one time we moved up for one was for Watson who has been a colossal failure and not just because of his injuries. Hes not a very good player. Even when we did have a WR who should have absolutely been paid, we low balled him and tried to play hard ball until he told the GM he can shove it and forced his way off the team.

So where are we now? I have said it in this thread but I'm not sure we will ever know what Love is until we give him some legitimate weapons to throw to. Its just too mediocre a group to know anything about his ceiling. If they arent getting locked up they are dropping balls or running wrong routes.
he drafts on what he expects a player to become, that is soooo old school, D&D does not work out as well as it did years ago, to rely on that process now becomes coaching up a player to get big dollars in UFA, ya just can't keep them all, guty blew most of his high draft picks on a very raw players we've struggled to coach into value, that's not helping this team, I said this stuff years ago with Gary

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go pak go wrote:
25 Feb 2025 10:40
lupedafiasco wrote:
25 Feb 2025 10:37
go pak go wrote:
25 Feb 2025 09:04
So Jordan Love huh?

Just wondering if the lack of drafting wide receivers in 2016 is going to hurt Jordan's chances in 2025.
Whats concerning is that organizationally we dont learn our lessons. STs cost us in 2014 and cost us again in 2021. The lack of passcatcher talent has really been an issue from 2018 on. Not once have we ever has two legitimate weapons to pass to since then. I think partially its not for a lack of trying, Gutenbumst has just been such an utterly awful drafter when it comes to finding talent at pass catcher. That said we have never really spent high on it either. We arent paying them in FA or going for one of the premium ones in the draft. The one time we moved up for one was for Watson who has been a colossal failure and not just because of his injuries. Hes not a very good player. Even when we did have a WR who should have absolutely been paid, we low balled him and tried to play hard ball until he told the GM he can shove it and forced his way off the team.

So where are we now? I have said it in this thread but I'm not sure we will ever know what Love is until we give him some legitimate weapons to throw to. Its just too mediocre a group to know anything about his ceiling. If they arent getting locked up they are dropping balls or running wrong routes.
If Davante signs with us (which I think is a very high possibility) your WR group looks different very quickly. Especially if you get Wicks to catch the ball.

The line of "loaded" or "no talent" in the NFL is so slim. I could easily see a world where we are the envy of the NFL with Adams, Wicks, Reed, and Kraft as our pass catchers. And Watson coming back as the deep man late in the season.
we already have a bunch of Adams clones, I liked what podcaster Andy said yesterday, we will best help our youngsters out by adding a field stretcher to replace Watson, his choice, MVS, more seasoned, runs a tad bit better routes, obviously Adams would help a lot to, however as Andy said, he may not even want to come here, and he'll want ten times the money MVS will get :idn:

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Yoop wrote:
25 Feb 2025 10:53
go pak go wrote:
25 Feb 2025 10:40
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25 Feb 2025 10:37


Whats concerning is that organizationally we dont learn our lessons. STs cost us in 2014 and cost us again in 2021. The lack of passcatcher talent has really been an issue from 2018 on. Not once have we ever has two legitimate weapons to pass to since then. I think partially its not for a lack of trying, Gutenbumst has just been such an utterly awful drafter when it comes to finding talent at pass catcher. That said we have never really spent high on it either. We arent paying them in FA or going for one of the premium ones in the draft. The one time we moved up for one was for Watson who has been a colossal failure and not just because of his injuries. Hes not a very good player. Even when we did have a WR who should have absolutely been paid, we low balled him and tried to play hard ball until he told the GM he can shove it and forced his way off the team.

So where are we now? I have said it in this thread but I'm not sure we will ever know what Love is until we give him some legitimate weapons to throw to. Its just too mediocre a group to know anything about his ceiling. If they arent getting locked up they are dropping balls or running wrong routes.
If Davante signs with us (which I think is a very high possibility) your WR group looks different very quickly. Especially if you get Wicks to catch the ball.

The line of "loaded" or "no talent" in the NFL is so slim. I could easily see a world where we are the envy of the NFL with Adams, Wicks, Reed, and Kraft as our pass catchers. And Watson coming back as the deep man late in the season.
we already have a bunch of Adams clones, I liked what podcaster Andy said yesterday, we will best help our youngsters out by adding a field stretcher to replace Watson, his choice, MVS, more seasoned, runs a tad bit better routes, obviously Adams would help a lot to, however as Andy said, he may not even want to come here, and he'll want ten times the money MVS will get :idn:
Maybe. He is going more for market mininum so would be a "tryout" type of player in camp.

My reservations on him is age. He turns 31 in October and you just don't know when or if that speed has started to decline. Because speed is really all he has.

There are usually speed guys on Day 3 who fall to Day three because all they can do is run fast. If we just want a field stretcher...that may be our best bet.
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We dont need a field stretcher. We just need good players. Cooper Kupp runs a 4.62 and Puka Nacua a 4.57. Demarcus Robinson was the other player they had out there in their base offense and he runs a 4.57. Whats the Rams excuse? Just get good players that can get open. A field stretcher is nice but thats what this team truly needs.
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Jordy stretched a field and he was around that 4.5 mark. There's guys with that speed all over and it's plenty. I ran a faster 40 than D. Adams and I'd suck as a WR LOL

Find me some guys that can learn the offense, run a route and catch the ball. We'll be fine.

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We dont need a field stretcher. We just need good players. Cooper Kupp runs a 4.62 and Puka Nacua a 4.57. Demarcus Robinson was the other player they had out there in their base offense and he runs a 4.57. Whats the Rams excuse? Just get good players that can get open. A field stretcher is nice but thats what this team truly needs.
Completely agree and that's why fast field stretchers can be found on Day 3. I don't hate the idea of using a day 3 pick or two trying to find a field stretcher that is a pleasant suprise, but we need a guy who can actually be reliable and that is why I want Adams.

I just think a reunion makes far too much sense here. The only other team I heard of a potential landing spot is Kansas City. And yes. That would make sense for Adams too.
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25 Feb 2025 11:24
We dont need a field stretcher. We just need good players. Cooper Kupp runs a 4.62 and Puka Nacua a 4.57. Demarcus Robinson was the other player they had out there in their base offense and he runs a 4.57. Whats the Rams excuse? Just get good players that can get open. A field stretcher is nice but thats what this team truly needs.
we have Reed, Doubs and Wicks, plus Kraft, I'am not righting those guys off based on the disfunction we saw with our passing attack last year, sure they had a bunch of drops, but again IMO drops are typically lack of concentration issues, you know my motto, to think is to stink, ya just can't do that stuff at this level, the game is far to fast for that, plus all will have a new coach this season, Getsy.

to me MVS, or someone with that speed will create 1x1 coverage for everyone else, will force zone coverage, would love to get Adams back, just don't see guty paying his price tag

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Yoop wrote:
25 Feb 2025 14:14
lupedafiasco wrote:
25 Feb 2025 11:24
We dont need a field stretcher. We just need good players. Cooper Kupp runs a 4.62 and Puka Nacua a 4.57. Demarcus Robinson was the other player they had out there in their base offense and he runs a 4.57. Whats the Rams excuse? Just get good players that can get open. A field stretcher is nice but thats what this team truly needs.
we have Reed, Doubs and Wicks, plus Kraft, I'am not righting those guys off based on the disfunction we saw with our passing attack last year, sure they had a bunch of drops, but again IMO drops are typically lack of concentration issues, you know my motto, to think is to stink, ya just can't do that stuff at this level, the game is far to fast for that, plus all will have a new coach this season, Getsy.

to me MVS, or someone with that speed will create 1x1 coverage for everyone else, will force zone coverage, would love to get Adams back, just don't see guty paying his price tag
Why are we going backwards? We had MVS and he wasnt good enough. Two other teams have had MVS and determined he wasnt good enough either and hes only getting older which means slower.

And I'm not writing off an of the guys yet either but we shouldnt make the same mistake we made a year ago where we just expect these guys to naturally make a leap just because they have one more year of expeirence under their belts. Bringing in a JAG like MVS makes no sense and its a little weird hearing it from you.

Lastly the drops are part concentration and part poor accuracy. When you throw passes that are more difficult to catch you are going to have more drops. I brought the stats earlier but Love was 10th in bad throws and bad throw percentage. That is an indication of his accuracy and probably a good chance why some passess arent just on the numbers or in a place where it is easier for a catch. I'm not absolving the WRs of drops. Catch the damn ball but at the same time throw the damn pass on target and dont make it so hard. That blame should be a two way street.
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lupedafiasco wrote:
25 Feb 2025 14:24
Yoop wrote:
25 Feb 2025 14:14
lupedafiasco wrote:
25 Feb 2025 11:24
We dont need a field stretcher. We just need good players. Cooper Kupp runs a 4.62 and Puka Nacua a 4.57. Demarcus Robinson was the other player they had out there in their base offense and he runs a 4.57. Whats the Rams excuse? Just get good players that can get open. A field stretcher is nice but thats what this team truly needs.
we have Reed, Doubs and Wicks, plus Kraft, I'am not righting those guys off based on the disfunction we saw with our passing attack last year, sure they had a bunch of drops, but again IMO drops are typically lack of concentration issues, you know my motto, to think is to stink, ya just can't do that stuff at this level, the game is far to fast for that, plus all will have a new coach this season, Getsy.

to me MVS, or someone with that speed will create 1x1 coverage for everyone else, will force zone coverage, would love to get Adams back, just don't see guty paying his price tag
Why are we going backwards? We had MVS and he wasnt good enough. Two other teams have had MVS and determined he wasnt good enough either and hes only getting older which means slower.

And I'm not writing off an of the guys yet either but we shouldnt make the same mistake we made a year ago where we just expect these guys to naturally make a leap just because they have one more year of expeirence under their belts. Bringing in a JAG like MVS makes no sense and its a little weird hearing it from you.

Lastly the drops are part concentration and part poor accuracy. When you throw passes that are more difficult to catch you are going to have more drops. I brought the stats earlier but Love was 10th in bad throws and bad throw percentage. That is an indication of his accuracy and probably a good chance why some passess arent just on the numbers or in a place where it is easier for a catch. I'm not absolving the WRs of drops. Catch the damn ball but at the same time throw the damn pass on target and dont make it so hard. That blame should be a two way street.
I still want to add a 2nd or 3rd round receiver, but UFA market for a stud WR will cost a lot, of which I would rather spend on defense, MVS just seems cost affective, but as you and other said, that speed can be had later in the draft.

Getsy was brought in to help the passing attack, it seemed to work pretty good the last time he was here, also think this off season and a healthy start this fall and Love will get back to form, or a little better at plant, step, and release, with both feet at or near the ground, I think that would help :lol:

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