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Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 30 Nov 2024 16:59
by go pak go
BSA wrote:
30 Nov 2024 13:16
BF004 wrote:
30 Nov 2024 12:45
I’d say simply you can go from making maybe $1-1.5 million a year, to getting a $50 million guaranteed contract.

I know he passed last year, but &%$@ happens, chance for him and his kids and his grand kids to be financially set their whole lives.
Johnson will get the bag $$ regardless of where he signs. That's a given
But he has to be careful in choosing so that he has a fair shake at deploying his plan.
I don't believe the bears job is the best job for him and that's what I'll tell him when he calls me to ask for input.
The Bears are just as capable as giving a fair shake. They have the perfect model to follow in Detroit and Green Bay.

Find the right GM. Find a coach who aligns with the GM. Give it time and patience. Build through the draft. Support your GM and HC when things look terrible.

That was pretty much the Sheila Hamp model.

In fact I think the Bears is a very, very coveted job. They have their Franchise quarerback who looks like he can be something. They have a great and young defense. Great WR and are losing games they could be winning.

They will be a top 10 draft team in 2025 and they have loads of cap space.

I can't imagine a better team to go as a head coach.

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 30 Nov 2024 20:31
by BSA
go pak go wrote:
30 Nov 2024 16:59
I can't imagine a better team to go as a head coach.
What is the track record for that organization of making quality hires ? Zero. They are a dumpster fire now, they've been a dumpster fire in the past and thinking you can just replicate the Lions ascension is complete hubris. A dozen teams try to do that every year and maybe 1 in 10 succeeds. Just last year the bears braintrust decided that WRs are more important than OL for supporting a young QB. That's idiotic and we can see how bad it effed up their prized QB.

In an imaginary realm you have a solid case - but you failed to account for the ineptitude bears org.
In reality, the odds are heavily stacked against them improving any time soon given the Mc Caskey's ownership.
They fired the HC, but kept the GM. But your rebuild plan starts... with a new GM...which they aren't going to have.

The bears defense has given up as many points as the Packers Defense.
But when talking about the Packers D you exhort us with a " Let's wait and see" , yet the bears do the same thing and get a compliment from you calling them "a great and young defense"....c'mon dude. I get taking sides in a debate, but that's a bit much

The bears suck, your analysis is too heavily weighted on hopeful hypotheticals and odds are the next bears head coach will be fired in 3 years.
Lather Rinse Repeat
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Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 30 Nov 2024 23:28
by salmar80
A little trouble in kittyland: In a monumentally stupid move, RB Jahmyr Gibbs posted a photo of RB Jermar Jefferson in front of a whiteboard that had plays and code words on it. HC found out from a reporter at a press conference, was not amused, and immediately left... :messedup:




Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 01 Dec 2024 05:32
by Yoop
BSA wrote:
30 Nov 2024 20:31
go pak go wrote:
30 Nov 2024 16:59
I can't imagine a better team to go as a head coach.
What is the track record for that organization of making quality hires ? Zero. They are a dumpster fire now, they've been a dumpster fire in the past and thinking you can just replicate the Lions ascension is complete hubris. A dozen teams try to do that every year and maybe 1 in 10 succeeds. Just last year the bears braintrust decided that WRs are more important than OL for supporting a young QB. That's idiotic and we can see how bad it effed up their prized QB.

In an imaginary realm you have a solid case - but you failed to account for the ineptitude bears org.
In reality, the odds are heavily stacked against them improving any time soon given the Mc Caskey's ownership.
They fired the HC, but kept the GM. But your rebuild plan starts... with a new GM...which they aren't going to have.

The bears defense has given up as many points as the Packers Defense.
But when talking about the Packers D you exhort us with a " Let's wait and see" , yet the bears do the same thing and get a compliment from you calling them "a great and young defense"....c'mon dude. I get taking sides in a debate, but that's a bit much

The bears suck, your analysis is too heavily weighted on hopeful hypotheticals and odds are the next bears head coach will be fired in 3 years.
Lather Rinse Repeat
.
you may be right, and history backs you up, however blind squirrels on occasion do find acorns ;) I found this though concerning the Bears OL

plus the first thing Teddy T did when we hired him as GM was cut his expensive guards and draft WR's, course he had old Favre and not a rookie QB

As of October 2024, the Chicago Bears offensive line was ranked 12th in the NFL. The Bears also ranked 75% in run block win rate, along with the Kansas City Chiefs and Washington Commanders.

that says the Bears ol is not as bad as we think, and Ryan Poles has hit on his draft picks, Even the McCaskey's haven't been able to goof that up.

imho this has been a better invention of the Chicago Bears than some of the prior attempts, but we'll see

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 01 Dec 2024 19:37
by APB
Yoop wrote:
01 Dec 2024 05:32
BSA wrote:
30 Nov 2024 20:31
go pak go wrote:
30 Nov 2024 16:59
I can't imagine a better team to go as a head coach.
What is the track record for that organization of making quality hires ? Zero. They are a dumpster fire now, they've been a dumpster fire in the past and thinking you can just replicate the Lions ascension is complete hubris. A dozen teams try to do that every year and maybe 1 in 10 succeeds. Just last year the bears braintrust decided that WRs are more important than OL for supporting a young QB. That's idiotic and we can see how bad it effed up their prized QB.

In an imaginary realm you have a solid case - but you failed to account for the ineptitude bears org.
In reality, the odds are heavily stacked against them improving any time soon given the Mc Caskey's ownership.
They fired the HC, but kept the GM. But your rebuild plan starts... with a new GM...which they aren't going to have.

The bears defense has given up as many points as the Packers Defense.
But when talking about the Packers D you exhort us with a " Let's wait and see" , yet the bears do the same thing and get a compliment from you calling them "a great and young defense"....c'mon dude. I get taking sides in a debate, but that's a bit much

The bears suck, your analysis is too heavily weighted on hopeful hypotheticals and odds are the next bears head coach will be fired in 3 years.
Lather Rinse Repeat
.
you may be right, and history backs you up, however blind squirrels on occasion do find acorns ;) I found this though concerning the Bears OL

plus the first thing Teddy T did when we hired him as GM was cut his expensive guards and draft WR's, course he had old Favre and not a rookie QB

As of October 2024, the Chicago Bears offensive line was ranked 12th in the NFL. The Bears also ranked 75% in run block win rate, along with the Kansas City Chiefs and Washington Commanders.

that says the Bears ol is not as bad as we think, and Ryan Poles has hit on his draft picks, Even the McCaskey's haven't been able to goof that up.

imho this has been a better invention of the Chicago Bears than some of the prior attempts, but we'll see
You’re gonna make a debate point based on 2 month old data??

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 02 Dec 2024 06:35
by APB
Another injury for CMC. They're calling it a knee (PCL) but this looks like something else (achilles).


Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 02 Dec 2024 06:48
by Cdragon
APB wrote:
02 Dec 2024 06:35
Another injury for CMC. They're calling it a knee (PCL) but this looks like something else (achilles).

At least 10 years ago I read, Once you've had an Achilles blow you've got a 50% shot at getting an ACL or other issues in the next year. McCaffrey breaking down is probably looking at the end phase of his NFL life.

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 02 Dec 2024 15:47
by Pckfn23


Very well may be the death knell of the 2024 49ers.

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 02 Dec 2024 17:40
by APB
Pckfn23 wrote:
02 Dec 2024 15:47


Very well may be the death knell of the 2024 49ers.
I was patting myself on the back for holding onto Jordan Mason in two of my fantasy leagues. Was doing the Tiger Woods fist pump when I heard CMC may be out for the stretch run and I'd have Mason for the fantasy playoff push.

Then I saw that tweet. Damn it.

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 02 Dec 2024 19:11
by MY_TAKE
MY_TAKE wrote:
30 Aug 2024 04:47
BF004 wrote:
29 Aug 2024 18:08
Aiyuk stays with the 9ers.

Sounds like 30 per.


Torn on that, I think he's underrated and deserving of that, but SF has so many mouths to feed. But with just Kittle, Deebo, and CMC, they all getting old and are injury prone, so they need that.

Makes them obviously much better this year.

Sounds like they gunna be in some real cap hell next year at this point and going forward. They so lucky they got a competent QB on a 7th round contract right now.
I hadn't really thought about injuries until reading your post, but yes, it almost seems ripe for an injury riddled disaster and I don't hope for that. I think the 49ers could regress anyway. I think what we see from purdy is his ceiling. He is fine, but he's not great and I don't think he can really carry a team if they have injuries to key players.
This looks like some good prognostication started by @BF004 which I coat tailed off of. I think we were right on. I wish my thoughts about the Vikings had come true though :thwap:

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 03 Dec 2024 17:02
by BF004
Holy Hannah


Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 03 Dec 2024 22:16
by APB
I’ll watch it, but I think I’ll regret it because I think this Enigma thing is gonna leave a sour taste in my mouth and I’d rather just leave AR as the person I think of him as now.

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 03 Dec 2024 22:29
by salmar80
APB wrote:
03 Dec 2024 22:16
I’ll watch it, but I think I’ll regret it because I think this Enigma thing is gonna leave a sour taste in my mouth and I’d rather just leave AR as the person I think of him as now.
Just realizing he's 3 years younger than me, but looks ten years older than me... That beating back time -thing ain't going so hot for him. :favre:

But I do like seeing docus about athletes being humans.

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 04 Dec 2024 11:23
by Labrev
The fact this team sucked decades ago doesn't contradict that our evaluation of the Bears being a poorly run org, or that the Lions have been too until very recently.

I do think the Bears can turn things around pretty dramatically if they solidify the OL, hire a competent HC, and do not hinder the development of their QB1, but they don't have a history of doing any of those things well with any reliability.

**Edit** ope! Yoop deleted his post. Shoulda quoted it...

Re: Cheese Curds - News Around the League 2024

Posted: 04 Dec 2024 12:16
by go pak go
Labrev wrote:
04 Dec 2024 11:23
The fact this team sucked decades ago doesn't contradict that our evaluation of the Bears being a poorly run org, or that the Lions have been too until very recently.

I do think the Bears can turn things around pretty dramatically if they solidify the OL, hire a competent HC, and do not hinder the development of their QB1, but they don't have a history of doing any of those things well with any reliability.

**Edit** ope! Yoop deleted his post. Shoulda quoted it...
Any team can turn it around if they get the right GM and right coach with an owernship group who lets them learn from their mistakes and more importantly align on the identity they want to be as a team.

We did with Wolf and Holmgren and the west coast offense.

The Lions are doing with Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell and their gritty nature as a team who never gives up

Chicago is putting together a good and young roster. If they get the right coach they will absolutely take off.