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Got hung up in the wind, learning moment.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 06:12It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.
Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.
First off, thanks for mentioning the punch out, I missed that on initial viewing. The NFL network had a replay yesterday so I went back and watched it again and the TV copy has a slo-mo of the action (about 20 seconds left in Q1).
If a bobble, I can't really tell with poor video quality, then the onus much more on Watson. Thanks for bringing that up.BSA wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 09:23First off, thanks for mentioning the punch out, I missed that on initial viewing. The NFL network had a replay yesterday so I went back and watched it again and the TV copy has a slo-mo of the action (about 20 seconds left in Q1).
I think the sequence was: under-thrown ball, Watson adjusts. Ball hits Watson in both hands and bounces out, then the punch occurs preventing Watson from re-catching the bobble. A clean catch gives him more time to secure that pass before the DB arrives. DB still might have punched it out, but I think the Watson bobble was a key component of the incompletion sequence.
so then your backing down from the stance that no receiver could have ever caught that pass? cause I remember you being pretty adamant about that.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 09:53If a bobble, I can't really tell with poor video quality, then the onus much more on Watson. Thanks for bringing that up.BSA wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 09:23First off, thanks for mentioning the punch out, I missed that on initial viewing. The NFL network had a replay yesterday so I went back and watched it again and the TV copy has a slo-mo of the action (about 20 seconds left in Q1).
I think the sequence was: under-thrown ball, Watson adjusts. Ball hits Watson in both hands and bounces out, then the punch occurs preventing Watson from re-catching the bobble. A clean catch gives him more time to secure that pass before the DB arrives. DB still might have punched it out, but I think the Watson bobble was a key component of the incompletion sequence.
We all have the capacity to change our minds when new information is presented.
the view I saw from the game clearly showed that Watson bobbled the pass prior to the DB's arm going in, for me it was simply a tough catch do to the under thrown pass.BSA wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 10:21We all have the capacity to change our minds when new information is presented.
Its not a fault, but rather a favorable trait. That's why your jab at pckfn23 above is both unneccessary and unproductive
We're all learning together - and we may still get more new info on that play going forward. I could be wrong about the bobble/punch sequence
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It was our new QB throwing a bomb to our expected #1 WR. Probably one of, if not the most, relevant plays to pick apart. If it isn't the TD to Watson, this is the next biggest play.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 06:12It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.
Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.
Are you saying that you “never” see that?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023 19:32So you think all it would take is strong hands? I don't think you realize how impossible it would be to maintain control when a DB is punching up with all their weight and speed. There isn't a receiver ever born that has hands that strong.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023 19:10Rack that one up to differing opinions. I also feel that Watson could’ve held on. He had his hands on the ball first. Yeah, it was a good punch by the DB. But a WR with strong hands secures that more than half the time.
Just ask Watson if you can. I’m sure he would say that he should’ve caught it.
I didn't see the bobble on my poor video quality, so retract my statement.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 11:49Are you saying that you “never” see that?Pckfn23 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023 19:32So you think all it would take is strong hands? I don't think you realize how impossible it would be to maintain control when a DB is punching up with all their weight and speed. There isn't a receiver ever born that has hands that strong.Scott4Pack wrote: ↑27 Aug 2023 19:10
Rack that one up to differing opinions. I also feel that Watson could’ve held on. He had his hands on the ball first. Yeah, it was a good punch by the DB. But a WR with strong hands secures that more than half the time.
Just ask Watson if you can. I’m sure he would say that he should’ve caught it.
Again, there are some good, strong WRs who make that catch. Even some have learned how to snatch the ball (once it’s in their grasp) away from the defender before the punch. Tae Adams does that regularly.
Should be a film session for every new Packers player to study all the classic celebrations.BSA wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 12:39One cool moment from the Seahawks game was watching TJ Slaton in his # 93 jersey imitating the Grave Digger with his post-play celebration
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Oh sure; if we're going to pick a single play and meticulously go through frame-by-frame and assess percentages of blame and fault to each person involved in the play, this is definitely the play to do it.BF004 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 11:08It was our new QB throwing a bomb to our expected #1 WR. Probably one of, if not the most, relevant plays to pick apart. If it isn't the TD to Watson, this is the next biggest play.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 06:12It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.
Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.
I don't think it's weird at all to break this play down in depth.
I kind of don't care that much about a McGough throwing a pass to Jadakis Bonds in the grand scheme of things.
Did you just give us a homework assignment to go back a page, go to a 22-minute video and find out who the "weak link" is on defense instead of telling us what you learned and giving us a timestamp like you did the TJ Slaton play?TheSkeptic wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 13:08That gravedigger play is broken down with about a minute of video in the Youtube vid that I posted earlier in this thread, as opposed to 10 seconds in Twitter. It was really a great play by TJ, and not because of the celebration.
However there was also a bad play in the line and you all might want to watch that entire video to find out who is the weak link in the Dline.
Page 6, watch it,
All same here.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 13:11Did you just give us a homework assignment to go back a page, go to a 22-minute video and find out who the "weak link" is on defense instead of telling us what you learned and giving us a timestamp like you did the TJ Slaton play?TheSkeptic wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 13:08That gravedigger play is broken down with about a minute of video in the Youtube vid that I posted earlier in this thread, as opposed to 10 seconds in Twitter. It was really a great play by TJ, and not because of the celebration.
However there was also a bad play in the line and you all might want to watch that entire video to find out who is the weak link in the Dline.
Page 6, watch it,
I mean, I'm gonna do it, because I'm interested in the video and glad you re-mentioned it. But still kind of a funny approach
He's not AR or Favre. He's got an NFL arm. He's making good decisions so far. One of the reasons this play gets highlighted is because it was mentioned they've been working on the deep ball. Just like early in AR's career when people found out he was working on the skinny post it became a talking point.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 13:04Oh sure; if we're going to pick a single play and meticulously go through frame-by-frame and assess percentages of blame and fault to each person involved in the play, this is definitely the play to do it.BF004 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 11:08It was our new QB throwing a bomb to our expected #1 WR. Probably one of, if not the most, relevant plays to pick apart. If it isn't the TD to Watson, this is the next biggest play.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 06:12It’s weird to me gore in each preseason game fans pick one incomplete pass to hyper-fixate on in post game discussion.
Yup. Under-thrown bad ball that Watson could have won in a contested situation. We all saw it. It was an incomplete pass.
I don't think it's weird at all to break this play down in depth.
I kind of don't care that much about a McGough throwing a pass to Jadakis Bonds in the grand scheme of things.
I guess it has me feeling a little pessimistic about whether the Packers fanbase as a whole is really prepared to live a season of football with a QB who sometimes makes bad throws and a WR1 who sometimes drops the ball like virtually every other team for all of football time has experienced.
We have lost two elite players over the past two years at the position and we have a very limited sample size to gauge what comes next and it feels like we're tying to extrapolate way too much from individual plays more so than a wholistic evaluation. Maybe that's me mis-reading what's going on, certainly. But We had a QB play 3 possessions and lead a FG and a TD drive. And we have like three pages discussing an underthrown drop.
I just find the individual-play (and failed play, at that) focus that seems to be a trend a little strange and a little offputting for what it portends for this season, where everyone seems to understand there will be ups and downs and highs and lows--but in practice those mistakes/downs/lows are really occupying a huge bulk of the brain space of the fanbase. Gonna make for a long season, perhaps. Or maybe it calms down when the sample size gets longer.
parents would send their 5 year old kids to go up to him and swear at him before the season started. I wasn't considering you, I know that you do your homework without any hints from me.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 13:11Did you just give us a homework assignment to go back a page, go to a 22-minute video and find out who the "weak link" is on defense instead of telling us what you learned and giving us a timestamp like you did the TJ Slaton play?TheSkeptic wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 13:08That gravedigger play is broken down with about a minute of video in the Youtube vid that I posted earlier in this thread, as opposed to 10 seconds in Twitter. It was really a great play by TJ, and not because of the celebration.
However there was also a bad play in the line and you all might want to watch that entire video to find out who is the weak link in the Dline.
Page 6, watch it,
I mean, I'm gonna do it, because I'm interested in the video and glad you re-mentioned it. But still kind of a funny approach
I think Andy Herman has been similarly concerned about his progress (well, lack of progress) this pre-season, if I remember correctly. Seems like our DL is going to be an emerging strength, but man it'd be so much better if Wyatt played to his potential.TheSkeptic wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 14:01As for Wyatt, I praised him a few days ago and I was surprised that this video panned him.
Seriously. Gilbert Brown looks so, so, so huge. Like Gilbert Brown makes TJ Slaton, who is HUGE, look tiny. Is it the padding? Is it just how unathletic Brown looks?paco wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 12:47Should be a film session for every new Packers player to study all the classic celebrations.BSA wrote: ↑28 Aug 2023 12:39One cool moment from the Seahawks game was watching TJ Slaton in his # 93 jersey imitating the Grave Digger with his post-play celebration
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