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He scored 9 TDs as a rookie. It's fine to say he has a lot to prove in terms of availability and consistency and rising to be a WR1 in this league.
I lived west of Chicago in St. Charles from 1970 till 88, and like you had to deal with the unruly Bares fans, high lighted by our drafting of Mandarich, and that 85 SB shuffle, my co workers rubbed it in every chance they got, owning the Bears as we have this last decade has been my sweet revengewilliewasgreat wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 17:12Sorry Yoop, but I was a teacher in the Chicago area in the 1980s. The Bears owned us during those awful years and I had to live with their insufferable fans, many of whom were my students.
I don't get all this angst with WAtson so quickly, it is quite common for players like him to pull hammys or Groin pulls early in camp, I think it's a bit early to label him as some sort of chronic injury player.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 23:49He scored 9 TDs as a rookie. It's fine to say he has a lot to prove in terms of availability and consistency and rising to be a WR1 in this league.
But to say he has not proven anything yet is simply a lie. He's proven that he is a dynamic playmaker with a nose for the end zone. That's not nothing.
For a young player like him to keep having hammy issues is concerning. I don't care how fast and dynamic you are you can't help your team in street clothes on the sidelines. Let's hope the others step up...Yoop wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 07:35I don't get all this angst with WAtson so quickly, it is quite common for players like him to pull hammys or Groin pulls early in camp, I think it's a bit early to label him as some sort of chronic injury player.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 23:49He scored 9 TDs as a rookie. It's fine to say he has a lot to prove in terms of availability and consistency and rising to be a WR1 in this league.
But to say he has not proven anything yet is simply a lie. He's proven that he is a dynamic playmaker with a nose for the end zone. That's not nothing.
when healthy WAtson dominated, I expect he'll do so again this season
The Lions that just toughed out 14 whole points against a middle-of-the-road defense missing their best player (and a top rotational D-lineman next to him)?packman114 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 09:21I'm hoping our offense this year looks similar to the Lions offense. Heavy dose of running with a nice 50/50 split of run/pass ratio. Our receivers seem similar to the Lions as well as the o-lines. If Love plays like Goff we have a chance to really surprise people and be in the mix come playoff time. Hoping that Musgrave & Reed play as mature in the regular season as they seemed to be in the preseason.
This year is going to be fun watching, no real expectations, just watch the young guys develop. I really believe that Love sitting for 3 years will once again prove to the NFL that our formula for raising QBs is the best model.
With 3 of the 6 WRs on the roster nursing hamstring injuries during the week leading up to practice (Wicks was limited in a return from his, up to healthy; Doubs missed half the week and then was limited in his return; Watson was out), it may say a lot more about our training staff than it does about our players.
we are the worst team in the league for Hamstring injuries, at least right now according to this article from SI, so maybe it's not just a WAtson issue, though this is two yrs straight he's had early season ham issues, same with Doubs I think.Pugger wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 08:51For a young player like him to keep having hammy issues is concerning. I don't care how fast and dynamic you are you can't help your team in street clothes on the sidelines. Let's hope the others step up...Yoop wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 07:35I don't get all this angst with WAtson so quickly, it is quite common for players like him to pull hammys or Groin pulls early in camp, I think it's a bit early to label him as some sort of chronic injury player.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 23:49
He scored 9 TDs as a rookie. It's fine to say he has a lot to prove in terms of availability and consistency and rising to be a WR1 in this league.
But to say he has not proven anything yet is simply a lie. He's proven that he is a dynamic playmaker with a nose for the end zone. That's not nothing.
when healthy WAtson dominated, I expect he'll do so again this season
The parts you say about play making are true enough. Easy to agree with that. But the availability is a big deal. Here’s hoping that his two injuries in 18 games is not going to be a trend.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 23:49He scored 9 TDs as a rookie. It's fine to say he has a lot to prove in terms of availability and consistency and rising to be a WR1 in this league.
But to say he has not proven anything yet is simply a lie. He's proven that he is a dynamic playmaker with a nose for the end zone. That's not nothing.
Lion running game features many looks from the OLine. Packer running game might not be as diverse, but still good.packman114 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 09:21I'm hoping our offense this year looks similar to the Lions offense. Heavy dose of running with a nice 50/50 split of run/pass ratio. Our receivers seem similar to the Lions as well as the o-lines. If Love plays like Goff we have a chance to really surprise people and be in the mix come playoff time. Hoping that Musgrave & Reed play as mature in the regular season as they seemed to be in the preseason.
This year is going to be fun watching, no real expectations, just watch the young guys develop. I really believe that Love sitting for 3 years will once again prove to the NFL that our formula for raising QBs is the best model.
Man YoHo, it was the first game and both offenses looked sketchy. I did say "similar" and was talking about concepts. I think Ben Johnson is playing to Goff's strengths by staying committed to the run. I believe that is MLFs preference but with Rodgers he never got to use his true offense. I'm hoping he does now and that will help Love develop into a pro-bowl QB.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 09:48The Lions that just toughed out 14 whole points against a middle-of-the-road defense missing their best player (and a top rotational D-lineman next to him)?packman114 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 09:21I'm hoping our offense this year looks similar to the Lions offense. Heavy dose of running with a nice 50/50 split of run/pass ratio. Our receivers seem similar to the Lions as well as the o-lines. If Love plays like Goff we have a chance to really surprise people and be in the mix come playoff time. Hoping that Musgrave & Reed play as mature in the regular season as they seemed to be in the preseason.
This year is going to be fun watching, no real expectations, just watch the young guys develop. I really believe that Love sitting for 3 years will once again prove to the NFL that our formula for raising QBs is the best model.
I want to look nothing like that.
But yes, I do want to see a good running game and a plan to make it as easy as possible for our first-time starting QB
I still need to be convinced that LaCoach's "true" offense will be anything special. Just sayin'.packman114 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 13:20Man YoHo, it was the first game and both offenses looked sketchy. I did say "similar" and was talking about concepts. I think Ben Johnson is playing to Goff's strengths by staying committed to the run. I believe that is MLFs preference but with Rodgers he never got to use his true offense. I'm hoping he does now and that will help Love develop into a pro-bowl QB.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 09:48The Lions that just toughed out 14 whole points against a middle-of-the-road defense missing their best player (and a top rotational D-lineman next to him)?packman114 wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 09:21I'm hoping our offense this year looks similar to the Lions offense. Heavy dose of running with a nice 50/50 split of run/pass ratio. Our receivers seem similar to the Lions as well as the o-lines. If Love plays like Goff we have a chance to really surprise people and be in the mix come playoff time. Hoping that Musgrave & Reed play as mature in the regular season as they seemed to be in the preseason.
This year is going to be fun watching, no real expectations, just watch the young guys develop. I really believe that Love sitting for 3 years will once again prove to the NFL that our formula for raising QBs is the best model.
I want to look nothing like that.
But yes, I do want to see a good running game and a plan to make it as easy as possible for our first-time starting QB
Well MLF's hybrid offense was by far the best Aaron Rodgers has done since 2011, so I'm not sure why there's so much skepticism and credit given to the QB, given that MLF has coached many QBs to their career bests.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 14:56I still need to be convinced that LaCoach's "true" offense will be anything special. Just sayin'.
I'll believe it when I see it YoHo. 3/5ths of our offensive line may not have what it takes either. Admittedly crafty play calling could shut down my skepticism. Would be cool to see some kickoffs and punts run back for TDs! Gotta maintain field position. How about some forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, and interceptions? I sure hope Jaire is ready to play like the All-Pro that he is. High hopes for Valentine as well.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 17:01Well MLF's hybrid offense was by far the best Aaron Rodgers has done since 2011, so I'm not sure why there's so much skepticism and credit given to the QB, given that MLF has coached many QBs to their career bests.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 14:56I still need to be convinced that LaCoach's "true" offense will be anything special. Just sayin'.
I stand corrected. He has proven some things. He has proven he is fast. He has also proven he has suspect hands and is injury prone.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 23:49But to say he has not proven anything yet is simply a lie. He's proven that he is a dynamic playmaker with a nose for the end zone. That's not nothing.
This.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 17:01Well MLF's hybrid offense was by far the best Aaron Rodgers has done since 2011, so I'm not sure why there's so much skepticism and credit given to the QB, given that MLF has coached many QBs to their career bests.RingoCStarrQB wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 14:56I still need to be convinced that LaCoach's "true" offense will be anything special. Just sayin'.
Sure. Ok.wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 19:11I stand corrected. He has proven some things. He has proven he is fast. He has also proven he has suspect hands and is injury prone.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 23:49But to say he has not proven anything yet is simply a lie. He's proven that he is a dynamic playmaker with a nose for the end zone. That's not nothing.
Watson's catch rate was also 10% higher. 62.1 to 51.9.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 23:50Sure. Ok.wallyuwl wrote: ↑09 Sep 2023 19:11I stand corrected. He has proven some things. He has proven he is fast. He has also proven he has suspect hands and is injury prone.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023 23:49
But to say he has not proven anything yet is simply a lie. He's proven that he is a dynamic playmaker with a nose for the end zone. That's not nothing.
As a rookie, he basically matched or exceeded MVS' career high to compare him to another 6'4 mid-4.3 speed WR we're familiar with, especially when considering the rushing yards and TDs (80 for 2).
That's as a rookie. If he doesn't grow at all, he's already proven that he's an NFL caliber big play guy; that would be a massive disappointment if he doesn't grow it all, but if his floor is MVS' ceiling, he has proven something.
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3 TD's in 1 game does not prove anything? You think that was a fluke???
