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Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 11:34
by BF004
Looking like the Packers 4th round OL trend continues.
Top 3 grades all from the 4th round.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 12:08
by wallyuwl
Jones 71?
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 12:09
by BF004
Good to see that for Quay. I had thought he had a bad game.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 12:33
by Pckfn23
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 12:36
by Pckfn23
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 12:50
by Yoop
BF004 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 11:34
Looking like the Packers 4th round OL trend continues.
Top 3 grades all from the 4th round.
don't mean to always spout negative on Morley's PFF grades, while most grades seem pretty close to eye appeal he always has one or two that don't, in this case it's with Aaron Jones, he should be shamed right out of the building with that low grade.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 12:58
by Pckfn23
Morley doesn't give out the grades. He subscribes to PFF and reports them.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 13:10
by YoHoChecko
Love to see it
Slay got a lock of flack in the Love-hate crossfire for tweeting that he looked good against the Eagles and that they weren't in prevent but were still playing him hard.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 13:11
by go pak go
To be fair. He only played on 3rd downs. So his pressure rate should be skewed but still pretty darned incredible.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 13:12
by Waldo
This was my favorite game in quite a while. On the same tier as the game Aaron burned Atlanta to the ground. Will always be a game that stands out in memory.
Jordan's first game as a starter and they go and crush the Bears convincingly, gets his backup some snaps. The devastation in Chicago is truly awe-inspiring, its like the rash of firings the '10 team left in its wake. I'm not sure Aaron ever got them this bad (tho tbf he prevented them from getting any hope, they actually had some real genuine hope built up this offseason; Jordan rubbed their nose in it).
Big picture on Jordan's play, it becoming pretty safe to say decision making is a clear strength of his. The ball goes to the right guy pretty much always.
This DL, had high hopes for them last year that they didn't live up to, but man oh man they look really legit. Like lead the league in sacks legit. Swap Fields for Cousins and he'd have been sacked 20 times. Wyatt showed up. LVN showed why he was a 1st rounder. Gary is scary.
More than anything, this team really looks like they enjoy playing together. Granted, who doesn't love a good Bears beatdown, but its not just today, this group has a lot of fun out there, and that always worked out pretty good for ol #4.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 13:42
by BF004
We looking pretty good as a team just looking at 3rd and 4th downs.
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Good company to be in, check out the two best teams last year on 3rd and 4th down.
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Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 13:54
by Crazylegs Starks
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 12:58
Morley doesn't give out the grades. He subscribes to PFF and reports them.
Kill the messenger!!!
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 14:06
by paco
BF004 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 12:09
Good to see that for Quay. I had thought he had a bad game.
I thought the same watching Quay. Maybe not bad, but not good. I even yelled at the tv once and said quit walking Walker! Wasn't playing fast, especially early. But also seemed he was play spy a good deal. Eyes fixed on Fields. So might have just been doing what he was asked.
Anyone heard anything about him? Was it a concussion? Neck?
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 14:12
by paco
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 14:29
by Yoop
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 12:58
Morley doesn't give out the grades. He subscribes to PFF and reports them.
OK, your right, then my angst is with PFF, point is Jones PFF grade doesn't seem consistent with the play we all saw on the field, he had over 40 yrds after first contact in another 120yrd game, I'am sure this deduction is a result of the dropped speed ball he wasn't ready for, that seemed a tough catch for anyone, his plus play didn't deserve that harsh evaluation is my complaint.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 14:42
by paco
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 15:02
by APB
Graphics like this come off as misleading, or even corrupted, when the top rated teams and players (by their metrics, whatever they are and however they're weighted) are teams that scored 17 and 16 points respectively.
Hell, this chart has the Bears offense rated higher than the Packers.
Let's just say I don't put a lot of stock into whatever this graphic is showing.
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 15:09
by BF004
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 15:09
by Yoop
paco wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 14:12
the smoke wont clear in Chicago till wednesday
I always like the PFF pressure grades, simply cause I like there higher count over PFR who I think had us at 26, both seem pretty consistent though week to week
a few years back I remember PFF gave Z I think 90 for the season, while PFR had him I think at 75 or so.
I took the PFR 26 times 17 = 442, I havn't looked but I'am thinking thats very good
Re: Week 1 Post-Game: Packers 38 Bears 20
Posted: 11 Sep 2023 15:11
by Pckfn23
APB wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023 15:02
Graphics like this come off as misleading, or even corrupted, when the top rated teams and players (by their metrics, whatever they are and however they're weighted) are teams that scored 17 and 16 points respectively.
Hell, this chart has the Bears offense rated higher than the Packers.
Let's just say I don't put a lot of stock into whatever this graphic is showing.
Ya, that top graphic wasn't what I was trying to bring. Not sure that one is relevant.