I think Preston Smith is better than he gets credit for by the armchair GM fans, but I also think Mike Whale goes a bit overboard in his love for him. He's playing good football, but defensive MVP is a bit excessive lol.
Okay re-watching the game. Preston Smith did get screwed from a box score standpoint.
The dude actually had two Forced Fumble Sacks and Fumble recoveries. Both were on 4th down so it didn't matter as much as they were called incomplete. But his stats for sure got taken away.
Perhaps, but iirc Wahle called Smith the defensive MVP since at least a week ago, so I think he means Preston is the MVP of the whole defense, which is kind of silly.
Wahle is very old school, which lends itself to some good critiques of the Packers under Gute/LaFleur, but whereas lots of folks on this board underrate some of these aging vets and athletic overachievers, I feel like Wahle tends to overrate them because of how highly he values attitude, craftiness, and savvy (basically, players like himself).
There is more of a role for those kinds of guys than the Madden GM contingent of our fans realize, but at the end of the day, playmakers and athletic freaks are the ones that set teams apart, IMO.
Give him credit for speaking the truth. No way that Reed and Watson should've been that close. They weren't doing a rub at that spot. And Reed probably was more blind to the incoming pass than we can appreciate. That was very good hands!
It's just amazing that either Watson or his defender didn't accidentally deflect the ball away. One of those plays where you have to think that stuff is just going your way.
:-)
winning shuts down the tank talk, we looked like we where tanking when we traded Sully, we look like where tanking with some of these injury's, Alexander seems to play when he feels like it, his absence seems like a blessing though, in that Barry can't play his zones, and is forced to rely on pass rush to cover for the secondary youth.
Even Greg Olson said Barry is depending on the strongest aspect of his defense, and it's working, Olson had a strong Detroit bias, but he sure nailed that point
I hear you. But I didn't consider the Sul trade as tanking for a moment. There was something else. Either they thought Sul was a distraction or they saw the talent in Valentine, or maybe both. They had ample reason to let Sul go and get some value.
winning shuts down the tank talk, we looked like we where tanking when we traded Sully, we look like where tanking with some of these injury's, Alexander seems to play when he feels like it, his absence seems like a blessing though, in that Barry can't play his zones, and is forced to rely on pass rush to cover for the secondary youth.
Even Greg Olson said Barry is depending on the strongest aspect of his defense, and it's working, Olson had a strong Detroit bias, but he sure nailed that point
I hear you. But I didn't consider the Sul trade as tanking for a moment. There was something else. Either they thought Sul was a distraction or they saw the talent in Valentine, or maybe both. They had ample reason to let Sul go and get some value.
I disagree except about a possible attitude issue, Scott there is no such thing in this league as having to many good CB's, and Douglas was playing his best.
imo the reason these rookies are looking good has to do with them not having to look good to long, all CB's can be beat in man coverage, great pass rush limits there exposure, Valentine has looked the best of all these rookies, Ballentine is often beat, but passes don't come his way because the QB has little time to exploit him, Nixon plays tight often and is very physical.
I see pretty good back up ability with these guys, not so much starter ability, if Barry goes back to prevent, and allows the pass rush to decline, you'll see these youngsters torched, jmo.
To me, I thought that Gutey was “tanking” the team with so many inexperienced players on offense. Not necessarily wanting the team to lose but ok if it happens in order to get higher draft picks.
It had nothing to do with LaFleur or the team. I always thought they were trying their hardest to win with what they had. Love certainly didn’t walk into the same situation that Rodgers had in his first year starting.
So my hats off to LaFleur and the team. And Jordan Love’s leadership and his ability to handle a pretty tough situation with class and an unshakeable confidence.
I suspect Gute wanted these young WRs to develop along with Love and it seems to be working.
I think Preston Smith is better than he gets credit for by the armchair GM fans, but I also think Mike Whale goes a bit overboard in his love for him. He's playing good football, but defensive MVP is a bit excessive lol.
Perhaps Wahl is sensing Preston's leadership?
Re: Thanksgiving Postgame: Packers 29 Lions 22
Posted: 25 Nov 2023 13:12
by Pckfn23
Wait... Is yoop saying that pass rush is the most important aspect of pass defense... Again?
winning shuts down the tank talk, we looked like we where tanking when we traded Sully, we look like where tanking with some of these injury's, Alexander seems to play when he feels like it, his absence seems like a blessing though, in that Barry can't play his zones, and is forced to rely on pass rush to cover for the secondary youth.
Even Greg Olson said Barry is depending on the strongest aspect of his defense, and it's working, Olson had a strong Detroit bias, but he sure nailed that point
I hear you. But I didn't consider the Sul trade as tanking for a moment. There was something else. Either they thought Sul was a distraction or they saw the talent in Valentine, or maybe both. They had ample reason to let Sul go and get some value.
I disagree except about a possible attitude issue, Scott there is no such thing in this league as having to many good CB's, and Douglas was playing his best.
imo the reason these rookies are looking good has to do with them not having to look good to long, all CB's can be beat in man coverage, great pass rush limits there exposure, Valentine has looked the best of all these rookies, Ballentine is often beat, but passes don't come his way because the QB has little time to exploit him, Nixon plays tight often and is very physical.
I see pretty good back up ability with these guys, not so much starter ability, if Barry goes back to prevent, and allows the pass rush to decline, you'll see these youngsters torched, jmo.
I agree with your assessment that Sul was playing good ball. That is EXACTLY why I think there must've been a lockerroom issue. To say they needed to get Valentine more playing time might not make sense because they can fit four or even five CBs into the rotation (at least after Stokes returns). Valentine was likely to get playing time no matter what.
Re: Thanksgiving Postgame: Packers 29 Lions 22
Posted: 25 Nov 2023 19:59
by Foosball
Beautiful scheme. 3 Packers take out the Hutch.
Can anyone help me post this?
MOD EDIT: There you go. Board software doesn't yet recognize x.com, but it works if you edit it to twitter.com
Re: Thanksgiving Postgame: Packers 29 Lions 22
Posted: 25 Nov 2023 20:44
by Labrev
That was another thing that I was greatly pleased to see. We seemed much better prepared to keep Hutch at bay. Part of it no doubt is Tom was 100% this time, whereas he was banged-up in the last one, and Walker also played better, but they seemed to bring help more and get the ball out faster than last time.
Love's internal clock seemed much more synced up to the pressure around him, whereas we played our last game with them as if we were expecting these clean and lengthy pockets we had been enjoying in the first three weeks, and kudos to Matt & Co. for however much prep they did to get it right this time.
Wait... Is yoop saying that pass rush is the most important aspect of pass defense... Again?
NO, I'am saying that Barry has little choice here, he has to bring heat because our coverage ability is limited, he finally woke up that when ya give a QB, almost any QB enough time, they will pick apart even the best of secondary's
there isn't a pass rush that can beat a hot QB and several good receivers unless they have a free rusher, that has to happen because of tight press coverage, which is doubtful for our youngsters including Valentine to do consistently.
Wait... Is yoop saying that pass rush is the most important aspect of pass defense... Again?
NO, I'am saying that Barry has little choice here, he has to bring heat because our coverage ability is limited, he finally woke up that when ya give a QB, almost any QB enough time, they will pick apart even the best of secondary's
there isn't a pass rush that can beat a hot QB and several good receivers unless they have a free rusher, that has to happen because of tight press coverage, which is doubtful for our youngsters including Valentine to do consistently.
They didn't blitz a ton, though, did they? I think this was the Front 4 just dominating individual match-ups for the most part.
Wait... Is yoop saying that pass rush is the most important aspect of pass defense... Again?
NO, I'am saying that Barry has little choice here, he has to bring heat because our coverage ability is limited, he finally woke up that when ya give a QB, almost any QB enough time, they will pick apart even the best of secondary's
there isn't a pass rush that can beat a hot QB and several good receivers unless they have a free rusher, that has to happen because of tight press coverage, which is doubtful for our youngsters including Valentine to do consistently.
They didn't blitz a ton, though, did they? I think this was the Front 4 just dominating individual match-ups for the most part.
someone said we brought 5 on 14% of our rushes, I havn't re watched to confirm that though, we also used a bigger 4 man rush group 3 DT's 1 DE, or 5 with base front, your right we didn't blitz much that I remember, but we stunted a few times.
concerning our youngsters in the secondary, imo this is invaluable experience, once we get a safety, and starting CB's Alex and Stokes our depth is vastly improved, minus quality depth and it's so hard to over come a injury against quality offenses jmo.
Re: Thanksgiving Postgame: Packers 29 Lions 22
Posted: 26 Nov 2023 11:46
by go pak go
Bringing 5 on 14% of dropbacks is considered "blitzing little"
if Barry goes back to prevent, and allows the pass rush to decline, you'll see these youngsters torched, jmo.
