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not in my opinion, more time and we wouldn't even had the opportunity to play the Niners, it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage, in the same way he closed out the game against the Niners.Drj820 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 08:23I would be in favor of moving on from Barry if a bonafide stud wanted to come to green bay.
Like say Vrabel as DC (he wont) or Selah becomes available.
But other than a homerun hire, there isnt much reason to move on. Barry coached well when his job was on the line. He coached well enough to win both playoff games too.
More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:17not in my opinion, more time and we wouldn't even had the opportunity to play the Niners, it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage, in the same way he closed out the game against the Niners.Drj820 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 08:23I would be in favor of moving on from Barry if a bonafide stud wanted to come to green bay.
Like say Vrabel as DC (he wont) or Selah becomes available.
But other than a homerun hire, there isnt much reason to move on. Barry coached well when his job was on the line. He coached well enough to win both playoff games too.
NO ONE stated it was confirmed. Everyone stated as a caveat that it was likley up if you listen beyond the headline.
the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:21More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:17not in my opinion, more time and we wouldn't even had the opportunity to play the Niners, it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage, in the same way he closed out the game against the Niners.Drj820 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 08:23I would be in favor of moving on from Barry if a bonafide stud wanted to come to green bay.
Like say Vrabel as DC (he wont) or Selah becomes available.
But other than a homerun hire, there isnt much reason to move on. Barry coached well when his job was on the line. He coached well enough to win both playoff games too.
You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of a person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator that has ever been and will ever be in the league would do so in that situation.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:41the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:21More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:17
not in my opinion, more time and we wouldn't even had the opportunity to play the Niners, it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage, in the same way he closed out the game against the Niners.
NO all teams, specially in the play offs don't go to prevent, and when they do they don't back off with pass rush, in fact some teams decoy the prevent and blitz, and I seem to recall even Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters, but most where only out that one series, as soon as Dallas scored they went back in, so I'am going off what Lafleur actually said.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:48You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of an person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator in that has and will be in the league we do so in that situation.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:41the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:21
More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.
The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...
all where subbed in at different spots in the gamePckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:48You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of a person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator that has ever been and will ever be in the league would do so in that situation.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:41the right call was a stunt, a blitz, or a 5 man rush, the reserves where in for what? 1 or 2 plays on defense, that doesn't account for 16 points, quit defending this incompetent DC.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:21
More time and we would not have put in our 2nd string. One can not just magically add time to a game and then not expect strategy to change. Until 5:54 the Packers were up 48-16. It was the absolute right call to be in prevent. It wasn't necessarily the right call to put in the 2nd string, which was Matt LaFleur's call and he owned up to it. We still won by 16.
The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was almost fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...
Corey Ballentine - 43 snaps
Anthony Johnson - 23 snaps
Eric Wilson - 20 snaps
Zayne Anderson - 13 snaps
Robert Rochell - 5 snaps
Making things up again...Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:59NO all teams, specially in the play offs don't go to prevent, and when they do they don't back off with pass rush, in fact some teams decoy the prevent and blitz, and I seem to recall even Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters, but most where only out that one series, as soon as Dallas scored they went back in, so I'am going off what Lafleur actually said.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:48You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of an person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator in that has and will be in the league we do so in that situation.
The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...
as soon as Carlson missed that FG I new the Niners would score, Barry's prevent allows that in every game.
Ya, at the end... We played mostly our backups on defense the last 2 series. And you admitted this when saying LaFleur owned up to putting in the backups being not the best idea:Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:00all where subbed in at different spots in the gamePckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:48You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of a person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator that has ever been and will ever be in the league would do so in that situation.
The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was almost fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...
Corey Ballentine - 43 snaps
Anthony Johnson - 23 snaps
Eric Wilson - 20 snaps
Zayne Anderson - 13 snaps
Robert Rochell - 5 snaps
Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters
NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:04Ya, at the end... We played mostly our backups on defense the last 2 series. And you admitted this when saying LaFleur owned up to putting in the backups being not the best idea:Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:00all where subbed in at different spots in the gamePckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 09:48
You are itching for a fight so bad the last several days you continue to read things that are not written. This is not the defense of a person at all. This is a defense of reality and the situation. With 6 minutes left the Packers were up by 32 points. Prevent is 100% the right call in that situation and EVERY Coordinator that has ever been and will ever be in the league would do so in that situation.
The backups starting coming in around the 10 minute mark of the 4th quarter and it was almost fully backups on D on Dallas' 2nd to last drive.... 1 or 2 play? Not even close, you are fabricating things yet again to make some asinine point that no one is arguing against...
Corey Ballentine - 43 snaps
Anthony Johnson - 23 snaps
Eric Wilson - 20 snaps
Zayne Anderson - 13 snaps
Robert Rochell - 5 snapsLafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters
You are now completely contradicting yourself.
When they are up by 32 with 6 minutes left they do. At that point you want teams to dink and dunk as the clock expires. Going into a deep shell is what every team has done and will do in that situation. There are PLENTY of reasons to want Barry fired, but this is NOT one of them. Stop inventing reasons and just stick with the ones that are readily available.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:24NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:04Ya, at the end... We played mostly our backups on defense the last 2 series. And you admitted this when saying LaFleur owned up to putting in the backups being not the best idea:Lafleur saying it was a mistake to yank the defensive starters
You are now completely contradicting yourself.
We didn't miss a FG against Dallas... I have been talking Dallas and only Dallas. FFS man, stop. I am not talking about the 49er game at all here.once we missed that FG it was a fore gone conclusion we where going to lose that game, why because Barry backs off on heavy front, doesn't blitz or stunt, and his deep zone coverage is porus as all hell, keep supporting that crap if ya like, I wont.
Stay on point.I forget your unable to discuss two things unless it is spelled out to you, sorryPckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:28When they are up by 32 with 6 minutes left they do. At that point you want teams to dink and dunk as the clock expires. Going into a deep shell is what every team has done and will do in that situation. There are PLENTY of reasons to want Barry fired, but this is NOT one of them. Stop inventing reasons and just stick with the ones that are readily available.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:24NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.
We didn't miss a FG against Dallas... I have been talking Dallas and only Dallas. FFS man, stop. I am not talking about the 49er game at all here.once we missed that FG it was a fore gone conclusion we where going to lose that game, why because Barry backs off on heavy front, doesn't blitz or stunt, and his deep zone coverage is porus as all hell, keep supporting that crap if ya like, I wont.
of course I was talking about the Niners..No, you were not. Don't lie. This is your specific quote:Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:40I forget your unable to discuss two things unless it is spelled out to you, sorryPckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:28When they are up by 32 with 6 minutes left they do. At that point you want teams to dink and dunk as the clock expires. Going into a deep shell is what every team has done and will do in that situation. There are PLENTY of reasons to want Barry fired, but this is NOT one of them. Stop inventing reasons and just stick with the ones that are readily available.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:24
NO, not all teams play deep shell to end games when they have a lead, all teams do is dink and dunk right down the field, unless your still able to hurry the QB with 4, they bring 5, they blitz, they don't hang the defense out to dry just doing deep shell coverage the way Barry has.
We didn't miss a FG against Dallas... I have been talking Dallas and only Dallas. FFS man, stop. I am not talking about the 49er game at all here.once we missed that FG it was a fore gone conclusion we where going to lose that game, why because Barry backs off on heavy front, doesn't blitz or stunt, and his deep zone coverage is porus as all hell, keep supporting that crap if ya like, I wont.
This is not the 49ers at all. I am not going to let you gaslight this when you CLEARLY were talking about Dallas."it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage"
EVERY team would and does go into prevent when up 30+ with under half the 4th quarter to go. That's reality and that is how it should be. You are trying to make a blanket statement based on your warped sense of reality and overwhelming need to made things up to get rid of Barry.I get the whole bit concerning prevent, again not all teams just rely on deep shell, you, me and the whole freaking football fans from every freaking team watch as defenses bring a extra rusher during prevent coverages, Barry to my knowledge never has, in fact he goes the other way and just brings 3, hell Barry has a loaded tool box, we should lead the league in pass pressure, whats he do, prevent, Barry is a joke as a DC
and you don't see the gap in these two paragraphs, sorry I didn't say the second was about the Niners, just figured it was obvious since we didn't miss a FG against Dallas in the last minutes of that game.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:47No, you were not. Don't lie. This is your specific quote:Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:40I forget your unable to discuss two things unless it is spelled out to you, sorryPckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:28
When they are up by 32 with 6 minutes left they do. At that point you want teams to dink and dunk as the clock expires. Going into a deep shell is what every team has done and will do in that situation. There are PLENTY of reasons to want Barry fired, but this is NOT one of them. Stop inventing reasons and just stick with the ones that are readily available.
We didn't miss a FG against Dallas... I have been talking Dallas and only Dallas. FFS man, stop. I am not talking about the 49er game at all here.
This is not the 49ers at all. I am not going to let you gaslight this when you CLEARLY were talking about Dallas."it took a super human game from a first year starting QB to put up enough points so Dallas was unable to steal that victory, as Barry went to simply rushing 4, 3 if memory serves on one down and soft prevent coverage"
EVERY team would and does go into prevent when up 30+ with under half the 4th quarter to go. That's reality and that is how it should be. You are trying to make a blanket statement based on your warped sense of reality.I get the whole bit concerning prevent, again not all teams just rely on deep shell, you, me and the whole freaking football fans from every freaking team watch as defenses bring a extra rusher during prevent coverages, Barry to my knowledge never has, in fact he goes the other way and just brings 3, hell Barry has a loaded tool box, we should lead the league in pass pressure, whats he do, prevent, Barry is a joke as a DC
Again, stop fabricating things to be pissed about when it comes to Joe Barry. There are many many reasons why Joe Barry should be fired. Playing prevent at the end of the Dallas game is NOT one of them.
cept playing what obviously wasn't working right till that Cowboys game ended, I get prevent when your up 16 pts, when it gets closer then Kill the QB, your defending stupidity, I get the bleeding clock stuff, what I will never defend is allowing a QB to pick a defense apart.
You continue to say you get it, but you obviously don't and continue to misrepresent what actually was going on.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:58cept playing what obviously wasn't working right till that Cowboys game ended, I get prevent when your up 16 pts, when it gets closer then Kill the QB, your defending stupidity, I get the bleeding clock stuff, what I will never defend is allowing a QB to pick a defense apart.
I do get it, your the guy defending Barry, and over looking that Barry used prevent for the whole 4th QTr against Dallas, we barely escaped with a Win, and your doing the same against the Niners, your a Barry defenderPckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 11:13You continue to say you get it, but you obviously don't and continue to misrepresent what actually was going on.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:58cept playing what obviously wasn't working right till that Cowboys game ended, I get prevent when your up 16 pts, when it gets closer then Kill the QB, your defending stupidity, I get the bleeding clock stuff, what I will never defend is allowing a QB to pick a defense apart.
Nothing you said here is true.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 11:44I do get it, your the guy defending Barry, and over looking that Barry used prevent for the whole 4th QTr against Dallas, we barely escaped with a Win, and your doing the same against the Niners, your a Barry defenderPckfn23 wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 11:13You continue to say you get it, but you obviously don't and continue to misrepresent what actually was going on.Yoop wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024 10:58
cept playing what obviously wasn't working right till that Cowboys game ended, I get prevent when your up 16 pts, when it gets closer then Kill the QB, your defending stupidity, I get the bleeding clock stuff, what I will never defend is allowing a QB to pick a defense apart.