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Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 16 Sep 2024 16:23
by Acrobat
Yep, I agree with the assessment of "if he's ready to go, play him".
On a related note to managing his injury, yesterday's game showed that we don't need to $%@# pass 40 times a game. Let the run game wear the defense down, and run play action out of that?
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 16 Sep 2024 16:25
by lupedafiasco
APB wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024 16:13
go pak go wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024 16:00
I don't think Love plays because he tore an MCL and these things take time. Always though MN was the earliest we could hope for.
Was it a tear or simply a grade 1/2 sprain? I thought it was just a sprain he was dealing with.
And there have been a multitude of players who return sooner rather than later from this type MCL injury.
It was a sprain but was between 1 and 2. 2 starts at 3 weeks while 1 can be from 1-2 weeks. So likely we are looking at 2 weeks minimum for a more physically demaning position. This is the franchise we are talking about. You dont want to completely ruin the knee like RG3. We should beat the Titans without Love.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 16 Sep 2024 16:26
by go pak go
APB wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024 16:13
go pak go wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024 16:00
I don't think Love plays because he tore an MCL and these things take time. Always though MN was the earliest we could hope for.
Was it a tear or simply a grade 1/2 sprain? I thought it was just a sprain he was dealing with.
And there have been a multitude of players who return sooner rather than later from this type MCL injury.
A sprain = tear of the ligament. The serverity is not known though it seems to be mild.
Grade 1 = minor tear
Grade 2 = moderate tear
Grade 3 = severe tear
From the Rams Team Physician
The MCL virtually always heals on its own. This ligament does not require surgery, but the timing on return to play varies on the severity. We typically describe ligament tears as either a Grade 1 tear, which is mild; a Grade 2 tear, which is moderate or partially torn; or a Grade 3 tear, where it is completely torn. The majority of MCL injuries do not require surgery. A lot of players in the NFL who have an MCL sprain return to play between two to six weeks depending upon the position they play and the severity of the injury.
I fully understand Love has an outside chance to play this week. But looking at aggregate data, usually these things are more in that 3 - 4 week time frame with 2 weeks being an outlier on the early side and 5+ weeks being the outlier on the long side. Hence, my belief is MN is the likely spot for a potential return.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 16 Sep 2024 16:31
by APB
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 16 Sep 2024 16:41
by YoHoChecko
Obviously getting Love back and getting him into a regular season rhythm and operating the offense with a full playbook and on full cylinders is preferable.
But there is really part of me that wants to see Willis take down the team that gave up on him.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 06:15
by Yoop
APB wrote: ↑16 Sep 2024 16:31
this is like assurance he wont play this week
Tenn.= Indy Colts imho, give Willis more pass options and keep running the ball, perfect those run blocking schemes, as the season plays out we'll need the ability to run against much better opponents.
Love didn't look as sharp prior to injury, well not his late 2023 self anyway, but he seems almost there, same with these receivers, that group will come along quickly once back together, I see no need to rush Love back, it's nice to see this team depend on itself minus the starting QB to win, this team has confidence in itself on a personal basis, gota love this stuff, it's how swagger develops, swagger is that feeling that you can't be beat, teams that have that win Super Bowls, Championships.
Fans feel it to, did you hear that crowd at Lambeau,
they were in full support mode Sunday, that place was wild.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 06:56
by Pckfn23
Why is bringing Love back next week rushing him back?
Several has said this.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 07:20
by Yoop
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 06:56
Why is bringing Love back next week rushing him back?
Several has said this.
because MCL sprains are actually tears even at level 1, and expected full recovery takes 2 to 4 weeks for even level 1.
thats what reports say, thats why people are saying it, why risk aggravating this and losing more time against a team we should beat without him?
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 07:22
by Pckfn23
Yoop wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 07:20
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 06:56
Why is bringing Love back next week rushing him back?
Several has said this.
because MCL sprains are actually tears even at level 1, and expected full recovery takes 2 to 4 weeks for even level 1.
thats what reports say, thats why people are saying it
All sprains are tears and all are slightly different in their recovery time depending on the athlete and severity. Reporting now claims he was close to be available last week. Aaron Jones made it back from a level 1 MCL sprain only missing 1 week. If Jordan Love is ready, he is ready. They won't be rushing him back, especially knowing this training staff.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 07:36
by Yoop
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 07:22
Yoop wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 07:20
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 06:56
Why is bringing Love back next week rushing him back?
Several has said this.
because MCL sprains are actually tears even at level 1, and expected full recovery takes 2 to 4 weeks for even level 1.
thats what reports say, thats why people are saying it
All sprains are tears and all are slightly different in their recovery time depending on the athlete and severity. Reporting now claims he was close to be available last week. Aaron Jones made it back from a level 1 MCL sprain only missing 1 week. If Jordan Love is ready, he is ready. They won't be rushing him back, especially knowing this training staff.
walking on the side line does not equate to healed MCL sprain, and injured players always think there ready before they are, I've not heard a word from the doctors, or Lafleur, that he was almost ready, thats a beat writer selling ink to me.
we'll see, what I don't get, is why people want him to play so badly, it sounds as though people lack faith, even after we man handled the Colts who to me are just as good as Tenn.
you said it yourself, players differ in recovery times, so what happened with Jones may not be the same forLove.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 08:17
by APB
Woah, woah, woah...
Not all MCL sprains are necessarily defined as "tears" as we commonly associate with the term. It could be as simple as stretching of the ligament tissue or micro-rupturing of fibers within the ligament. Kinda like when you bend a pine tree branch; there is minor superficial fibrous damage but nothing that seriously jeopardizes the stability of the branch.
The definition posted by
@go pak go was from from a single source team physician and is not all defining. Just take a look at the definition from
WebMD:
MCL tear vs. sprain
An injury to your knee ligament is called a tear or sprain. The term sprain is used when a ligament is stretched or torn. Many knee sprains are mild. A torn MCL can range from mild to severe. A complete tear is severe.
Here is another definition from a simple search
health blog:
Types of Knee Sprains
A sprain in any of the ligaments is graded based on the following:
Grade 1 or Mild
The ligament stretches, and the only visible damage is microtears. The knee is still stable and can support the body.
Grade 2 or Moderate
The ligament partially or incompletely tears. There is some instability in the knee, and the knee might feel like it will give out.
Grade 3 or Severe
The ligament tears completely. The knee is unstable, and putting weight on the affected leg is difficult.
Yeah, we're talking some level of semantics but I suspect some posters are getting all wrapped up over what their perception of a "tear" actually is.
Based on what was reported, the injury to Love was categorized as mild, a level 1/2 sprain. That's all we know. It is completely within the realm of possibility for a simple sprain or even micro-fibrous injury to have healed over a two-week span and Love return to the field with no significant level of increased risk.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 08:35
by Pckfn23
Yoop wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 07:36
walking on the side line does not equate to healed MCL sprain,
It does not, you are right, but no one said it did.
and injured players always think there ready before they are, I've not heard a word from the doctors, or Lafleur, that he was almost ready
And you will never hear a doctor or LaFleur ever talk about the specifics of a players injury. Even the 2-4 or 3-6 week timely didn't come from the Packers. It came from the media. One of those guys trying to sell ink.
we'll see, what I don't get, is why people want him to play so badly, it sounds as though people lack faith, even after we man handled the Colts who to me are just as good as Tenn.
Who wants him to play so badly? Me personally, I have said if he is ready to play he should play. There is no reason to hold him back more. There is no lack of faith.
you said it yourself, players differ in recovery times, so what happened with Jones may not be the same forLove.
And what happened with Jones may also happen with Love. Given the new reporting from Demovsky that may be the case.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 08:53
by NCF
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 08:35
Yoop wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 07:36
walking on the side line does not equate to healed MCL sprain,
I does not, you are right, but no one said it did.
and injured players always think there ready before they are, I've not heard a word from the doctors, or Lafleur, that he was almost ready
And you will never hear a doctor or LaFleur ever talk about the specifics of a players injury. Even the 2-4 or 3-6 week timely didn't come from the Packers. It came from the media. One of those guys trying to sell ink.
we'll see, what I don't get, is why people want him to play so badly, it sounds as though people lack faith, even after we man handled the Colts who to me are just as good as Tenn.
Who wants him to play so badly? Me personally, I have said if he is ready to play he should play. There is no reason to hold him back more. There is no lack of faith.
you said it yourself, players differ in recovery times, so what happened with Jones may not be the same forLove.
And what happened with Jones may also happen with Love. Given the new reporting from Demovsky that may be the case.
1.) I want Jordan Love to play.
2.) I do not want him subject to further injury by rushing him back.
3.) I question the validity of any reports right now due to all the posturing and conflicting reports last week.
4.) I fully understand the benefit of the Packers playing this situation close to the vest and even providing misinformation through back end channels in order to gain a competitive advantage.
5.) When he actually does play, I will be confident that it is because he is physically and mentally ready and the team did not rush him back.
6.) Until he actually does play, I am not reading into any further reporting on the topic.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 09:05
by Pckfn23
NCF wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 08:53
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 08:35
Yoop wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 07:36
walking on the side line does not equate to healed MCL sprain,
I does not, you are right, but no one said it did.
and injured players always think there ready before they are, I've not heard a word from the doctors, or Lafleur, that he was almost ready
And you will never hear a doctor or LaFleur ever talk about the specifics of a players injury. Even the 2-4 or 3-6 week timely didn't come from the Packers. It came from the media. One of those guys trying to sell ink.
we'll see, what I don't get, is why people want him to play so badly, it sounds as though people lack faith, even after we man handled the Colts who to me are just as good as Tenn.
Who wants him to play so badly? Me personally, I have said if he is ready to play he should play. There is no reason to hold him back more. There is no lack of faith.
you said it yourself, players differ in recovery times, so what happened with Jones may not be the same forLove.
And what happened with Jones may also happen with Love. Given the new reporting from Demovsky that may be the case.
1.) I want Jordan Love to play.
2.) I do not want him subject to further injury by rushing him back.
3.) I question the validity of any reports right now due to all the posturing and conflicting reports last week.
4.) I fully understand the benefit of the Packers playing this situation close to the vest and even providing misinformation through back end channels in order to gain a competitive advantage.
5.) When he actually does play, I will be confident that it is because he is physically and mentally ready and the team did not rush him back.
6.) Until he actually does play, I am not reading into any further reporting on the topic.
Definitely, however I believe some are under the impression that the 3-6 week timeline put out by the media at the outset of this was set in stone and if Love returns next week, we are rushing him back.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 09:31
by YoHoChecko
NCF wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 08:53
1.) I want Jordan Love to play.
2.) I do not want him subject to further injury by rushing him back.
3.) I question the validity of any reports right now due to all the posturing and conflicting reports last week.
4.) I fully understand the benefit of the Packers playing this situation close to the vest and even providing misinformation through back end channels in order to gain a competitive advantage.
5.) When he actually does play, I will be confident that it is because he is physically and mentally ready and the team did not rush him back.
6.) Until he actually does play, I am not reading into any further reporting on the topic.
This is a flawless post.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 21:03
by Scott4Pack
Pckfn23 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 06:56
Why is bringing Love back next week rushing him back?
Several has said this.
Yup. With what we are paying him now, if he can play, then he needs to play.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 21:29
by lupedafiasco
Scott4Pack wrote:
Yup. With what we are paying him now, if he can play, then he needs to play.
I’m by no means a doctor. I worked on planes and now do cyber security as an enlisted dumb $%@# for the Air Force. That said I believe the MCL helps support the knee from moving side to side but without that support the ACL is even more at risk.
You just don’t mess with knees.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 21:36
by wallyuwl
lupedafiasco wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 21:29
Scott4Pack wrote:
Yup. With what we are paying him now, if he can play, then he needs to play.
I’m by no means a doctor. I worked on planes and now do cyber security as an enlisted dumb $%@# for the Air Force. That said I believe the MCL helps support the knee from moving side to side but without that support the ACL is even more at risk.
This is true. But a minor or moderate MCL strain doesn't put the ACL at an appreciably greater risk.
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 17 Sep 2024 22:45
by Drj820
I think he sits one more week. Beating the colts took all pressure off of getting him back. We can beat anybody when he comes back. Doesn’t matter if we are 2-1 or 1-2, we will be in range…and we may just be 2-1 even with Malik!
As for how long his injury “should” take…no idea!!
But GB knows it’s a long season. Super long. You don’t want Love dealing with this all year like Rodgers did that one year when he got hurt in week one against bears and came back after half drugged and whipped em. He hardly practiced that year giving it maintenance and was sloppy on Sundays.
I could see the packers waiting until he’s basically pain free and maybe even swelling free if that can be achieved in two more weeks, we don’t want him even thinking about the knee as a problem when he is out there.
This team is going to be good. We need 1000% healthy Jordan Love. As for the injury and any poor play he might have had, I 100% just blame Brazil. He didn’t trust the footing and was doing weird stuff with his calves all night.
He will light it up state side when healthy
Re: Jordan Love's Status
Posted: 18 Sep 2024 00:25
by TheSkeptic
Drj820 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2024 22:45
I think he sits one more week. Beating the colts took all pressure off of getting him back. We can beat anybody when he comes back. Doesn’t matter if we are 2-1 or 1-2, we will be in range…and we may just be 2-1 even with Malik!
As for how long his injury “should” take…no idea!!
But GB knows it’s a long season. Super long. You don’t want Love dealing with this all year like Rodgers did that one year when he got hurt in week one against bears and came back after half drugged and whipped em. He hardly practiced that year giving it maintenance and was sloppy on Sundays.
I could see the packers waiting until he’s basically pain free and maybe even swelling free if that can be achieved in two more weeks, we don’t want him even thinking about the knee as a problem when he is out there.
This team is going to be good. We need 1000% healthy Jordan Love. As for the injury and any poor play he might have had, I 100% just blame Brazil. He didn’t trust the footing and was doing weird stuff with his calves all night.
He will light it up state side when healthy
This.