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[musclestang]

I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'd be willing to support a new blogger if they interacted and were part of the small "community" we have here. I'm not just just clicking links to read someone else's thoughts unless they've established themselves as someone I should go out of my way to read from.

Wanna discuss the list, put it on here.

[Cdragon]

Or Better yet come up with your own list!

It is always tough comparing different eras, since rules aren't static. Equipment is feather weight compared to 50 or a 100 years ago. And training and nutrition is so different from guys who grew up in the depression or WW'II, to now. I imagine a guy like Starr who was 6'1" if transplanted to this era being 6'3" 220. Coming from an era where INTs and TDs being even was an average QB year, Bart would eat this game up. Especially if his back hadn't destroyed by hazing at Bama. I will still declare him, Franchise QB #1.

[NCF]

Charles Woodson is a tough omission as is Herb Adderley.

[Pugger]

The problem with the list is there is only one player from before the Lombardi era is included. And before someone says we didn't see those old fellas play I suspect a lot of folks here weren't around in the 1960s either. IMO the top players in franchise history should be players who changed the game or had a significant impact on the game. I'll have to do a little research before submitting my list. I'm an old lady but not THAT old.

[Cdragon]

The problem with the list is there is only one player from before the Lombardi era is included. And before someone says we didn't see those old fellas play I suspect a lot of folks here weren't around in the 1960s either. IMO the top players in franchise history should be players who changed the game or had a significant impact on the game. I'll have to do a little research before submitting my list. I'm an old lady but not THAT old.

Your avatar is the leading example of a guy who changed the game. Here's a guy who played both ways. 1939 he averages 3 receptions per game and winds up in 11 games with 846 yds. 24.9 yard average in canvass uniforms that must have been like concrete coffins in the rain and mud.

[Labrev]

Favre was better than Rodgers.

If people want to argue that Starr was better than one or both of them, that's cool, I don't know Starr as a player well enough to have an opinion on that. But I do know the other two QBs.

Favre was more successful and he did more with less.

[Pugger]

Favre was better than Rodgers.

If people want to argue that Starr was better than one or both of them, that's cool, I don't know Starr as a player well enough to have an opinion on that. But I do know the other two QBs.

Favre was more successful and he did more with less.

The thing about Starr was when he had to win the game he delivered. He didn't have Favre's or Rodgers' arm but was clutch as hell and took a beating that today's QBs don't have to endure.

[Cdragon]

Favre/Rodgers same coin different sides. Favre became, 'I don't want to lose, but if we win, it's because I won it.' So he ended many a playoff game with insane picks. While it is fun watching the vikes go down, even the jets, I don't like watching him close his eyes and heave it somewhere downfield in green and gold. You can point out various things with ARod but I'd say they both had about the same amount of possible Super Bowl winning chances and each only pulled out one.

[Yoop]

with advances of medicine, nutrition, yester years players would be on level ground with today's talent, now take in that the league had half the teams, each team had twice the talent they do today to choose from, and rosters in the pre 80's were loaded with talent at all positions, the 70's steelers produced 9 HOFer's, the 60"s Packers sent 13 to canton, and those where just the best, the HOF is loaded with those 2 decades of players, so when ya consider all this, it is impossible to compare players from differing era's, even recently Favre and Rodgers.

AI Overview
The 1970s and 1980s are considered to have been a time of peak NFL talent, as the league became a national institution.
Explanation
During the 1970s and 1980s, the NFL became the most-watched sport in the United States.
The Super Bowl was a top-rated television show and an unofficial national holiday.
The 1972 Miami Dolphins are considered by some to be the greatest NFL team of all time. They finished the regular season undefeated and won Super Bowl VII, however others consider the 62 Packers to be the best 22 ever assembled, I'am one of the others

[Yoop]

Favre was better than Rodgers.

If people want to argue that Starr was better than one or both of them, that's cool, I don't know Starr as a player well enough to have an opinion on that. But I do know the other two QBs.

Favre was more successful and he did more with less.

The thing about Starr was when he had to win the game he delivered. He didn't have Favre's or Rodgers' arm but was clutch as hell and took a beating that today's QBs don't have to endure.

Starr had one of the most compact releases of any QB I ever saw, someone brought a clip of Starr throwing to a open Dowler a week or so back, his release is so quick the camera speed was so much slower that all the vid showed was a blur of his release, I also saw Starr throw 23 straight through the tire at 20 yards once (1961) Starr with today's nutrition and training would still be a HOF inductee level QB, is Rodgers more accurate? maybe, but it wouldn't be much, is Favre more athletic, again, maybe, but not by much, was Bart Starr a better field General and all around QB, hell yes, Starr was considered one of the best game managers ever

[RingoCStarrQB]

with advances of medicine, nutrition, yester years players would be on level ground with today's talent, now take in that the league had half the teams, each team had twice the talent they do today to choose from, and rosters in the pre 80's were loaded with talent at all positions, the 70's steelers produced 9 HOFer's, the 60"s Packers sent 13 to canton, and those where just the best, the HOF is loaded with those 2 decades of players, so when ya consider all this, it is impossible to compare players from differing era's, even recently Favre and Rodgers.

AI Overview
The 1970s and 1980s are considered to have been a time of peak NFL talent, as the league became a national institution.
Explanation
During the 1970s and 1980s, the NFL became the most-watched sport in the United States.
The Super Bowl was a top-rated television show and an unofficial national holiday.
The 1972 Miami Dolphins are considered by some to be the greatest NFL team of all time. They finished the regular season undefeated and won Super Bowl VII, however others consider the 62 Packers to be the best 22 ever assembled, I'am one of the others

The 1961 roster had Em Tunnell. Thus, I'd go with the 1961 team over the 1962 team. Hornung won MVP in 1961. Hornung played halfback and field goal kicker for the Packers. He wore number five in honor of his idol, baseball great Joe DiMaggio.

[Crazylegs Starks]

The problem with the list is there is only one player from before the Lombardi era is included. And before someone says we didn't see those old fellas play I suspect a lot of folks here weren't around in the 1960s either. IMO the top players in franchise history should be players who changed the game or had a significant impact on the game. I'll have to do a little research before submitting my list. I'm an old lady but not THAT old.

Hear, hear! This team has too many greats from before 1959 for there to be just one. Frankly, with all due respect, Donald Driver wouldn't even make the list for me. Forrest Gregg was great, but not top ten either. In fact, former teammates have said Bob Skoronski consistently graded the best out of all the linemen!

The most egregious mistake has to be Jim Taylor over Paul Hornung. Hornung was "the guy", the soul of the team.

Just off the top of my head, some players I would consider:

Verne Lewellen - One of the biggest PFHoF snubs. Elite offensive weapon in an era of low scoring and an excellent punter, back when punting was critical.
Clarke Hinkle - At the time, considered the team's best player over Hutson.
Cecil Isbell - A lot of people think he deserves to be in the PFHoF, too.

[RingoCStarrQB]

This list is flawed. Too many key omissions. Adderley, Ringo, Hornung, Gillingham, Robinson, Wood ...... Etc.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Hornung had a nose for the goal line. And his scoring record was untouchable. He blocked on the sweep play, ran the ball, caught passes, kicked field goals and extra points. He was to the offense what Nitschke was to the defense.

[williewasgreat]

Willie Wood was the best safety I have ever seen, bar none. If you look at the Packer's teams of the Lombardi era, Wood was incredibly important to the defense. If they had kept stats like they do now, he would have had more tackles than anyone in Packer history. I will always remember how he was involved on what seemed like every tackle. He made so many tackles that kept teams from scoring, it was amazing. I got the opportunity to tell him that once when I got his autograph.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Willie Wood was the best safety I have ever seen, bar none. If you look at the Packer's teams of the Lombardi era, Wood was incredibly important to the defense. If they had kept stats like they do now, he would have had more tackles than anyone in Packer history. I will always remember how he was involved on what seemed like every tackle. He made so many tackles that kept teams from scoring, it was amazing. I got the opportunity to tell him that once when I got his autograph.

I was lucky enough to tell Willie how much Packers fans appreciated his time with the Packers. He thanked me. Willie is one of my heroes.

[lupedafiasco]

Whenever I deal with comparing players across eras I always take into consideration how dominant a player was compared to their peers in their respective era. I also only consider the time they spent as Packers.

My opinion is that Hudson is the best Packer ever as he was the most dominant WR not only in his era but for a few eras after he was done. With that Rodgers is easily the 2nd best to ever do it. The top 2 QB ratings all time is held by Rodgers. The best QB rating all time is held by Rodgers. After that I think I kind of lean Sharpe in terms of his sheer dominance compared to his peers but I do give pause because he was never given the chance to fall off.

[texas]

Rodgers is probably the best player I have seen, him or Reggie White, although Reggie White played right around the time I began watching football so I couldn't really appreciate his ability as much as I could now. When it comes to passing the football, Rodgers is the best QB ever. That being said, he had obvious flaws that held him back from the ultimate purpose of football which is to win.

I catch games with Favre from time to time on NFL Network and it is obvious that Rodgers at his peak was a superior player. But Favre didn't go into a shell like Rodgers tended to do, so overall Favre was better at winning. Also Favre was a much better leader.

Other notable performances off the top of my head, since I have been a fan:

-the Clifton/Tausher OL
-obviously the SB 31 OL was elite
-Scott Wells
-Eddie Lacy's rookie season
-Jennings early on
-Davante's later career obviously
-Craig Newsome
-Devondre Campbell's all pro year
-Nick Collins (would have been HOF)
-Tramon Williams (best CB in the league for a few years)
-CMIII
-Bakhtiari
-Jaire had a couple of all pro seasons
-Cullen Jenkins maybe the most underrated DL of the past 3 decades
-Atari Bigby 2007
-Sitton
-Charles Woodson (obviously)
-Leroy Butler


I legitimately don't think there were many redeeming qualities of the entire Sherman era. You could list guys like Kampman or Sharper or KGB but I really don't think any player during that era was elite in the ways that some of these other guys were. Kampman would be the one that I would maybe include but he basically disappeared when we changed DCs. Barnett was our best ILB over the course of like 2 decades but that was because we never had any good ILBs. CMIII for those 8 games was a better ILB than Barnett was

[Papa John]

I legitimately don't think there were many redeeming qualities of the entire Sherman era. You could list guys like Kampman or Sharper or KGB but I really don't think any player during that era was elite in the ways that some of these other guys were. Kampman would be the one that I would maybe include but he basically disappeared when we changed DCs. Barnett was our best ILB over the course of like 2 decades but that was because we never had any good ILBs. CMIII for those 8 games was a better ILB than Barnett was

You have a good list. I'd consider Ahman Green to be an elite player. He set the single season record for most yards from scrimmage in 2003, IIRC.

[texas]

I legitimately don't think there were many redeeming qualities of the entire Sherman era. You could list guys like Kampman or Sharper or KGB but I really don't think any player during that era was elite in the ways that some of these other guys were. Kampman would be the one that I would maybe include but he basically disappeared when we changed DCs. Barnett was our best ILB over the course of like 2 decades but that was because we never had any good ILBs. CMIII for those 8 games was a better ILB than Barnett was

You have a good list. I'd consider Ahman Green to be an elite player. He set the single season record for most yards from scrimmage in 2003, IIRC.

Yeah, I agree. I had to go look it up though. In my recollection, he wasn't even as good as Aaron Jones or Jacobs based on eye test. Or even Eddie Lacy in 2013. I generally viewed him as a good RB who was a beneficiary of a lot of touches, but I just looked and saw his YPC was 5 so I am going to have to add him to the list, for that one season.