Re: General Packer News 2021
Posted: 26 Feb 2021 12:34
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whew, ya had me worriedCrazylegs Starks wrote: ↑26 Feb 2021 12:34Not the first time. I'm pretty sure I gave you a 'like trophy' a couple weeks ago
My previous thinking on the subject (like pre-2014; I have noticed this for at least 10 years) is that mobility was clearly also a factor because between Elway and 2014 Brady there was like 1 QB over 30 (or 31 or something) to win it or some ridiculous stat like that. But clearly Brady and Manning are not mobile. It definitely seems like there is something about younger QBs that gives their teams an edge in the playoffs, as far as winning the Super Bowl goes, but not enough of an edge to beat Tom Brady.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑26 Feb 2021 08:14Going all the way back eliminates the argument about rookie wage scales because it used to be that early pick rookie contracts were top-of-the-market deals. For instance in 2011, Mark Sanchez had the highest QB cap value in the league based on the final year of his rookie contract. That's why I stopped when I did.texas wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021 23:44Yeah but go all the way back to Elway tbh. The pattern has rewarded below-market QBs for a much longer time than this. The other thing is, your stats for the past decade are sort of skewed because Brady/Manning account for half of the Super Bowls. Before Brady's recent dominance, it really did skew young in addition to below-market.
Regardless, you need a good QB at a cheap price. Just a fact.
So before Brady's second streak of dominance, even if you had Big Ben and Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco all succeeding on rookie contracts, they weren't bargains or values or less expensive.
Plus, while Brady's wins put a tally in the column for taking less money, Manning's SB win was the only time a top-3 cap number won a SB ring. So lumping Brady and Manning together in this discussion is antithetical. They are opposite ends of the spectrum.
And on one hand, you can say Brady's win streak skews the numbers. But on the other hand, you could suggest a causal link--that maybe Brady winning all these Super Bowls is in part BECAUSE he took less money and his teams could always afford that one extra piece. There's certainly not conclusive evidence on that, but there also aren't a lot of examples of HoF QBs playing multiple seasons at the 60th or 70th percentile of QB contracts. The one example we do have has set the bar for dominance, suggesting it is something worth attempting to replicate.
He's easily a top 3 center in the NFL. He without a doubt deserves to get paid like one.Labrev wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021 21:12Corey Linsley Expected to Get a "Monster Deal"
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/0 ... ee-agency/
Linsley's game is solid all-around, but he is patently not a monster on the OL, so if this report ends up being true... I'm out.
I mean, sure, but there is no C in the game I'd want to pay like they're dominant.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021 22:04He's easily a top 3 center in the NFL. He without a doubt deserves to get paid like one.Labrev wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021 21:12Corey Linsley Expected to Get a "Monster Deal"
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/0 ... ee-agency/
Linsley's game is solid all-around, but he is patently not a monster on the OL, so if this report ends up being true... I'm out.
I would for his versatility and youth, but outside of that I wouldn't pay him more than Linsley.Labrev wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021 22:20I mean, sure, but there is no C in the game I'd want to pay like they're dominant.Pckfn23 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021 22:04He's easily a top 3 center in the NFL. He without a doubt deserves to get paid like one.Labrev wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021 21:12Corey Linsley Expected to Get a "Monster Deal"
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/0 ... ee-agency/
Linsley's game is solid all-around, but he is patently not a monster on the OL, so if this report ends up being true... I'm out.
Whereas when Jenkins is up, I will throw money at the mofo.
4th, 5th, 6th are what most are predicting. But seems we always miss out on one. Here's overthecap's prediction. Would love it if Bulaga bumped up to a 4th!YoHoChecko wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 12:12Yaassss, I'm thinking a 4th, a 5th, and a 6th, but I am expecting to be disappointed and get two 5ths and a 6th.
You are correct. I forgot about that rule.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 12:36Doesn't Bulaga fall into some perceived rule that you don't get better than a 5th for a more-than-10-year-vet?
You are correct. Bulaga will be a 5 because of that weird veteran rule.YoHoChecko wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021 12:36Doesn't Bulaga fall into some perceived rule that you don't get better than a 5th for a more-than-10-year-vet?