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NCF wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 16:07

The Bizarro Packers.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 14:48

APB wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 18:35

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 14:48

There are several counters to the point this tweet is focusing on.

The Packers don’t go out of their way to hire accomplished ST coordinators. Instead, they seem to promote guys from within or who are buddies with the HC. It wouldn’t shock me to see Drayton fired and whoever the defensive quality control is be promoted to ST coordinator.

The author of the article even highlights many of the errors are fundamental errors. That points to coaching. And yeah, that could span multiple years of multiple crappy coaches.

FFS just find somebody who has actually done some ST coaching and give them some pieces to work with. Watching Lancaster line up misaligned and then not even get out of stance before the rusher was past him - and then he blocks the wrong guy - tells me he’s not a piece to work with. Some players clearly don’t “get it” and he clearly doesn’t.

APB wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 18:35

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 14:48

There are several counters to the point this tweet is focusing on.

The Packers don’t go out of their way to hire accomplished ST coordinators. Instead, they seem to promote guys from within or who are buddies with the HC. It wouldn’t shock me to see Drayton fired and whoever the defensive quality control is be promoted to ST coordinator.

The author of the article even highlights many of the errors are fundamental errors. That points to coaching. And yeah, that could span multiple years of multiple crappy coaches.

FFS just find somebody who has actually done some ST coaching and give them some pieces to work with. Watching Lancaster line up misaligned and then not even get out of stance before the rusher was past him - and then he blocks the wrong guy - tells me he’s not a piece to work with. Some players clearly don’t “get it” and he clearly doesn’t.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 21:13

Drayton-still a packer employee
Mennenga-unemployed, out of the league
Slocum-out of the league and back to a losing college program since leaving the packers
Zook-unemployed, out of the league post packers
Mike stock-unemployed, out of the coaching altogether

So everybody we filled the job with was either happy to get one more chance and we’re on their way of the profession, or they were so bad at their job that no one else wanted them after they left the position. Again, only one guy on the list coached at all after leaving the position, and he had to go back to college

paco wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 22:24

Drj820 wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 21:13

Drayton-still a packer employee
Mennenga-unemployed, out of the league
Slocum-out of the league and back to a losing college program since leaving the packers
Zook-unemployed, out of the league post packers
Mike stock-unemployed, out of the coaching altogether

So everybody we filled the job with was either happy to get one more chance and we’re on their way of the profession, or they were so bad at their job that no one else wanted them after they left the position. Again, only one guy on the list coached at all after leaving the position, and he had to go back to college

Zook is at Maryland.

APB wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 18:35

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 14:48

There are several counters to the point this tweet is focusing on.

The Packers don’t go out of their way to hire accomplished ST coordinators. Instead, they seem to promote guys from within or who are buddies with the HC. It wouldn’t shock me to see Drayton fired and whoever the defensive quality control is be promoted to ST coordinator.

The author of the article even highlights many of the errors are fundamental errors. That points to coaching. And yeah, that could span multiple years of multiple crappy coaches.

FFS just find somebody who has actually done some ST coaching and give them some pieces to work with. Watching Lancaster line up misaligned and then not even get out of stance before the rusher was past him - and then he blocks the wrong guy - tells me he’s not a piece to work with. Some players clearly don’t “get it” and he clearly doesn’t.

paco wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 22:24

Drj820 wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2022 21:13

Drayton-still a packer employee
Mennenga-unemployed, out of the league
Slocum-out of the league and back to a losing college program since leaving the packers
Zook-unemployed, out of the league post packers
Mike stock-unemployed, out of the coaching altogether

So everybody we filled the job with was either happy to get one more chance and we’re on their way of the profession, or they were so bad at their job that no one else wanted them after they left the position. Again, only one guy on the list coached at all after leaving the position, and he had to go back to college

Zook is at Maryland.

go pak go wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2022 06:30

I have a hard time accepting the Packers suck at special teams because we don't have it as a priority.

We turnover coaches. We keep bottom roster guys, who are hated by fans (Jarrett Bush) solely for their STs prowess. We made Crosby one of the highest paid kickers in the league forever. We spent significant 2018 draft resources on long snapper and punter which got so much flack from fans, "you can't draft STs!!!!!" We traded for a great punter we all got excited about who ended up sucking in the cold elements anyways.

It's not lack of trying. It's just about sucking.

Look at MN. They SUCK at getting a good Oline. They use draft capital. FA capital. etc. etc. And their result is always a below average Oline. Meanwhile we plug in 3rd day draft picks and UDFAs and outperform their 1st rounders.

Teams just have identities and it sometimes requires a miracle to break that. I would like to target pure speed guys late in the draft (as a gunner) and I wouldn't mind spending a 3rd round pick on a great returner this year as I think those are really good ways to get STs going.

I know Aaron Rodgers hated Jeff Janis. But I liked him and thought he was the best thing to happen to our STs in the 2010's. I liked the drafting of McDuffie last year. Hopefully he becomes an anchor to build on.

Yoop wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2022 07:18

go pak go wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2022 06:30

I have a hard time accepting the Packers suck at special teams because we don't have it as a priority.

We turnover coaches. We keep bottom roster guys, who are hated by fans (Jarrett Bush) solely for their STs prowess. We made Crosby one of the highest paid kickers in the league forever. We spent significant 2018 draft resources on long snapper and punter which got so much flack from fans, "you can't draft STs!!!!!" We traded for a great punter we all got excited about who ended up sucking in the cold elements anyways.

It's not lack of trying. It's just about sucking.

Look at MN. They SUCK at getting a good Oline. They use draft capital. FA capital. etc. etc. And their result is always a below average Oline. Meanwhile we plug in 3rd day draft picks and UDFAs and outperform their 1st rounders.

Teams just have identities and it sometimes requires a miracle to break that. I would like to target pure speed guys late in the draft (as a gunner) and I wouldn't mind spending a 3rd round pick on a great returner this year as I think those are really good ways to get STs going.

I know Aaron Rodgers hated Jeff Janis. But I liked him and thought he was the best thing to happen to our STs in the 2010's. I liked the drafting of McDuffie last year. Hopefully he becomes an anchor to build on.

we have treated ST's the way we have treated the ILB position, our Idea for years as a fix was to spend mid, to late round picks there or even less then that hoping to find a diamond amongst all the rubble, we lucked out with Campbell this year, but have not been able to do the same with ST's.

every employer I've ever known that gives a half as s try to fix a business issue fails until they take fixing that issue seriously, same problem concerning our ST's and obviously ILB, unless we keep or replace Campbell with someone as good teams will have success passing short center against us again.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2022 07:53

I think, as demonstrated by no coach working in the league after being our STs coach, that we are low balling that position and not bringing in a coach who can fix the problem, like a Rizzi.

Like the ILB position, we bring in bum after bum or old guy after old guy and get surprised when they don’t fix the problem.

I agree with yoop with his comparison to the ILB position. We got lucky with Campbell, just like we may one day get lucky with a ST coach if we continue to shop at goodwill.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2022 08:08

Other than the Rizzi rumor there hasn't been much evidence of this bargain basement mentality. Both Ron Zook and Mike Stock were well respected special teams coaches when they were hired. Only Shawn Slocum had no NFL experience with a team other than the Packers.

I have said this once before, but I wonder if Murphy has some hand in why this has been a decade long, at least, disaster. He may be putting a price cap on the hiring of a ST Coordinator, Rizzi rumor. He may be telling the head coaches they can not play starters, or many of them, on special teams, Lazard wanting to play, but was not allowed to. He also may be contributing to the mentality that hasn't seen a true returner drafted in many years. When it spans more than 1 coaching regime, I tend to look higher than the coach. I am not going to put it down to just "luck" or lack there of, meaning they just suck and that is the way it is.

in fact he was so insulted when the FO finally did offer his asking price he politely said NO Thanks, Ted must have lost out on at least a half doz UDF because he insulted players with low ball bids.