Packers Huddle

Houston looked pretty top-tier last night.

APB wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2025 18:27

This conversation aged very poorly…

I'll cop to it. Wow, my worst pick of the season. Did not see that coming.

Looks like Mike McCarthy could be on the market once again.

NFC North QB's against other NFC North teams. Remember, one of these guys is considered a bust.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 11:42

NFC North QB's against other NFC North teams. Remember, one of these guys is considered a bust.

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Comp    Attp      %      Yards    TDs    Ints
106	172	61.6%	  1383	   7	  5
143	187	76.5%	  1496	  12	  3
139	213	65.3%	  1638	  10	  4
140	217	64.5%	  1500	   9	  0

Considering Darnold was drafted 3rd overall and is a 7 year vet with 0 playoffs wins I think its safe to say he was a bust.

I love the arbitrary narrowing of season stats to in-division games only, to prove some broader point about how good a QB is. Last I checked, a QB has to play against non-division teams in a season, too. How does it make sense to just wholesale exclude those entire games, when it can significantly change how good or bad a season looks when viewed as a whole?

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 12:02

Raptorman wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 11:42

NFC North QB's against other NFC North teams. Remember, one of these guys is considered a bust.

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Comp    Attp      %      Yards    TDs    Ints
106	172	61.6%	  1383	   7	  5
143	187	76.5%	  1496	  12	  3
139	213	65.3%	  1638	  10	  4
140	217	64.5%	  1500	   9	  0

Considering Darnold was drafted 3rd overall and is a 7 year vet with 0 playoffs wins I think its safe to say he was a bust.

Considering my team didn't draft him and he won't be back next year, he's a moot point. But 3 of those players will be starting next year. And you come up with the comment about the only one who won't be.

Raptorman wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 11:42

NFC North QB's against other NFC North teams. Remember, one of these guys is considered a bust.

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Comp    Attp      %      Yards    TDs    Ints
106	172	61.6%	  1383	   7	  5
143	187	76.5%	  1496	  12	  3
139	213	65.3%	  1638	  10	  4
140	217	64.5%	  1500	   9	  0

bust?? by draft status, OK, but he wasn't expected to start (maybe) and as a backup, no one could ask for much better, also pressure is kryptonite for even the best, we've seen Rodgers, Brady, Manning, and Iron man Favre fold up like a accordion under pass rush lots.

Darnold showed the physical ability to succeed, but like many falter under pass rush, it's why I believe Love has the ability to over come some tech issues and decision making, he knows, and is capable of dealing with pressure, in fact he's one of the best at it.

texas wrote: ↑

14 Jan 2025 18:51

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One of them won’t be starting next year

Hard to argue right now.

NCF wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 07:29

Hard to argue right now.

the game changed, which catipulted the run game, increased production with pass rush forced QB's to either scramble or get rid of the ball quicker, also doing all out pass rush leaves run lanes open, so a better balance of run to pass increased the value of the feature RB's, at 1/3rd the cost of WR.

I didn't like seeing Jones go, but the durability and brute ability of Jacobs this season was a life saver for this offense.

The WR to RB payscaled is all jacked up. I believe the WR1s that are making their money is truly deserved. Finding true WR1s is pretty difficult compared to finding a true RB1 so I feel like thats part of the reason the pay scale is so one sided. Where I think teams are dumb is where they are paying WR2 types $10M+ a season. It isnt hard to find WR2 types through the draft.

I mean I love Jacobs and this offense is probably garbage without him but I think thats more reflective of how bad we are at pass catcher. Emmanuel Wilson ended the season with 4.9 yards a carry at the cost of $915K. Chris Brooks finished with 5.1 yards a carry at the cost of $813K against the cap. Meanwhile Jacobs got 4.4 yards per carry at the cost of $5.3M against the cap. That number more than doubles to $11.3M next season.

Is that worth it for a RB when the RBs below him make 90% less and from an efficiency standpoint do more? Idk. The answer is probably more complex than that but money can be way better spent than on the RB position IMO.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 10:42

I mean I love Jacobs and this offense is probably garbage without him but I think thats more reflective of how bad we are at pass catcher. Emmanuel Wilson ended the season with 4.9 yards a carry at the cost of $915K. Chris Brooks finished with 5.1 yards a carry at the cost of $813K against the cap. Meanwhile Jacobs got 4.4 yards per carry at the cost of $5.3M against the cap. That number more than doubles to $11.3M next season.

Is that worth it for a RB when the RBs below him make 90% less and from an efficiency standpoint do more? Idk. The answer is probably more complex than that but money can be way better spent than on the RB position IMO.

small sample size YPC don't mean much to me, but your point is fairly valid. ELITE RBs definitely move the needle. Hard to argue that henry and Barkley made major impacts. I think Jacobs was enough of a factor and tackle breaker to be worth his contract, which I was highly skeptical of initially. But it's a close call for me. And I do think that Wilson, Brooks, and (eventually) Lloyd all have a great size/athleticism combo that would work really well if, for some reason, Jacobs missed significant time. I really like the type of back our team prefers right now, and Jacobs fits it to a T. But would the others produce similar results in a full-sized role? Can't know

Backup RBs virtually always have a higher YPC than the starter. You can look at any team's stats. Their long runs are not weighed down as much by lots of short-yardage carries like RB1.

For RBs like Tony Pollard, James Conner, and other such guys, yeah, no need to pony up. If you are strapped for cap space or bad and rebuilding, then you can rationalize letting an elite RB walk because you can probably replace the production, and you have bigger fish to fry. But if you do have space, an elite RB adds a lot of value, and is a relative bargain compared to just about every other position.

Jacobs has been worth every penny. And sure, we can draft a guy in the mids like an Aaron Jones and get the same sort of production, on-paper. But a true feature-back like Jacobs, that is not actually all that easy to replace, and you have to use a considerably higher draft pick if you want one.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 10:53

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 10:42

I mean I love Jacobs and this offense is probably garbage without him but I think thats more reflective of how bad we are at pass catcher. Emmanuel Wilson ended the season with 4.9 yards a carry at the cost of $915K. Chris Brooks finished with 5.1 yards a carry at the cost of $813K against the cap. Meanwhile Jacobs got 4.4 yards per carry at the cost of $5.3M against the cap. That number more than doubles to $11.3M next season.

Is that worth it for a RB when the RBs below him make 90% less and from an efficiency standpoint do more? Idk. The answer is probably more complex than that but money can be way better spent than on the RB position IMO.

small sample size YPC don't mean much to me, but your point is fairly valid. ELITE RBs definitely move the needle. Hard to argue that henry and Barkley made major impacts. I think Jacobs was enough of a factor and tackle breaker to be worth his contract, which I was highly skeptical of initially. But it's a close call for me. And I do think that Wilson, Brooks, and (eventually) Lloyd all have a great size/athleticism combo that would work really well if, for some reason, Jacobs missed significant time. I really like the type of back our team prefers right now, and Jacobs fits it to a T. But would the others produce similar results in a full-sized role? Can't know

Jacobs got so many yards after contact. Like so many. He also made plays when the offense needed juice - even when not blocked well. I think Jacobs is worth every penny.

Also very excited to see Marshawn Lloyd blend with Jacobs. He had such limited snaps but lordy when he did....the dude teleports on the field but he also just looks to be a bigger back than say an Aaron Jones.

Labrev wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2025 11:13

Backup RBs virtually always have a higher YPC than the starter. You can look at any team's stats. Their long runs are not weighed down as much by lots of short-yardage carries like RB1.

For RBs like Tony Pollard, James Conner, and other such guys, yeah, no need to pony up. If you are strapped for cap space or bad and rebuilding, then you can rationalize letting an elite RB walk because you can probably replace the production, and you have bigger fish to fry. But if you do have space, an elite RB adds a lot of value, and is a relative bargain compared to just about every other position.

Jacobs has been worth every penny. And sure, we can draft a guy in the mids like an Aaron Jones and get the same sort of production, on-paper. But a true feature-back like Jacobs, that is not actually all that easy to replace, and you have to use a considerably higher draft pick if you want one.

Plus backups tend to play more on pass downs where a defense isn't set up to stop the run.