Packers Huddle

paco wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2021 12:03

I was a big fan of Isaiah Johnson in 2019. Wanted to double up with him and Gardner-Johnson.

That name immediately struck a familiar chord with me, as well, but I can't recall exactly why. But my assumption is that I must've liked him enough to note the name.

YoHoChecko wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2021 12:05

paco wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2021 12:03

I was a big fan of Isaiah Johnson in 2019. Wanted to double up with him and Gardner-Johnson.

That name immediately struck a familiar chord with me, as well, but I can't recall exactly why. But my assumption is that I must've liked him enough to note the name.

Yeah. I liked him. He was a project but his athletic traits are amazing.

Big and imposing CB who has ridiculous speed for his size. Could be a great gunner.

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 10:18

10th with 48 yrds, long of 64, are all punters juiced these days or what

5 yrd return average says our new ST's coach is doing pretty well, 5th in the league

Yoop wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 11:25

NCF wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 10:18

10th with 48 yrds, long of 64, are all punters juiced these days or what

5 yrd return average says our new ST's coach is doing pretty well, 5th in the league

This was a good find by Gutey. So far far Boj has been consistent and reliable. Good directional punting. He’s showed off power and hangtime. It’s all I’ve ever wanted in a punter.

Yes, but he used a draft pick to get him. I've been told that's a no-no for a punter, no matter what.

paco wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 13:43

Yes, but he used a draft pick to get him. I've been told that's a no-no for a punter, no matter what.

yes draft picks should only be used on guys like Brown or Moore, or the dozen crappy DB's we've taken over the years

thing is good kickers and punters provide production that changes the outcomes of games, so spending a pick on one makes sense to me.

paco wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 13:43

Yes, but he used a draft pick to get him. I've been told that's a no-no for a punter, no matter what.

Ehh. I mean I get not wanting to draft one or trade for one. I believe if you want a good kicker or punter more than likely you gotta pay a price. They can be found off the street but it’s becoming less likely. I think though if you’re going to pay the price for a punter he better be worth it which is why Scott was such a terrible pick and this move is a good one.

Drj820 wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 15:06

You know me and hamstrings. Make sure he is right before he plays.

lupedafiasco wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 15:23

paco wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 13:43

Yes, but he used a draft pick to get him. I've been told that's a no-no for a punter, no matter what.

Ehh. I mean I get not wanting to draft one or trade for one. I believe if you want a good kicker or punter more than likely you gotta pay a price. They can be found off the street but it’s becoming less likely. I think though if you’re going to pay the price for a punter he better be worth it which is why Scott was such a terrible pick and this move is a good one.

Yup.

I'd rather spend a 5th/6th and get Bojo then minimum UDFA and get what we had.

At the end of the day, I just want good players.

In 2020, 11 of the top 20 punters by yards per punt went undrafted.

Same in 2019.
10 out of 20 in 2018.
8 out of 20 in 2017.
7 out of 20 in 2016.
8 out of 20 in 2015.
9 out of 20 in 2014.
7 out of 20 in 2013.
8 out of 20 in 2012.
9 out of 20 in 2011.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 16:41

In 2020, 11 of the top 20 punters by yards per punt went undrafted.

Same in 2019.
10 out of 20 in 2018.
8 out of 20 in 2017.
7 out of 20 in 2016.
8 out of 20 in 2015.
9 out of 20 in 2014.
7 out of 20 in 2013.
8 out of 20 in 2012.
9 out of 20 in 2011.

Yup. I know they are out there. My point is I don't give a sh*t how much it costs whether it's a 5th, 6th, 7th, UDFA or $2.5 - 3.0 million for a more "expensive" punter.

Just do what it takes to get a good player. Especially when talking about 6th/7th draft picks....those are pretty worthless anyways. If I have the player, I am pretty happy regardless how I got them unless his name is BJ Sander in the 3rd round. That's ridiculous.

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 16:57

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 16:41

In 2020, 11 of the top 20 punters by yards per punt went undrafted.

Same in 2019.
10 out of 20 in 2018.
8 out of 20 in 2017.
7 out of 20 in 2016.
8 out of 20 in 2015.
9 out of 20 in 2014.
7 out of 20 in 2013.
8 out of 20 in 2012.
9 out of 20 in 2011.

Yup. I know they are out there. My point is I don't give a sh*t how much it costs whether it's a 5th, 6th, 7th, UDFA or $2.5 - 3.0 million for a more "expensive" punter.

Just do what it takes to get a good player. Especially when talking about 6th/7th draft picks....those are pretty worthless anyways. If I have the player, I am pretty happy regardless how I got them unless his name is BJ Sander in the 3rd round. That's ridiculous.

no kidding, people that nitpick using a draft choice for a punter or kicker, or pay a few mil for there production can't see the forest for the tree's, the good ones actually out perform most draft picks taken with the same draft slots, just mind boggling, right who gives a &%$@, there ability and production is my only concern

7th round, fine. Anything else is borderline or bad. Draft choices are not guaranteed, that is why it is an issue. Don't spend that capital if you don't need to and in the case of a punter, you don't need to.

Think of it this way. Would you rather pay $5 for a burger that has an equal chance of being good or disgusting or would you rather get it for free?

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 18:20

Think of it this way. Would you rather pay $5 for a burger that has an equal chance of being good or disgusting or would you rather get it for free?

And the way I am thinking of it, (I mean I'm still poor now so but you will know what I mean....)

If I have a great burger, I won't get all twisted on if the chef charged me $5 or $6 because the burger was really good and the cost difference is minor.

JK was a waste of $6 because it was a sh*tty burger.
Bojo is $6 well spent because it's a good burger. Even if there is supposedly another restaruant in town (though unknown) that serves the same delicious for burger for $5.

go pak go wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 18:29

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 18:20

Think of it this way. Would you rather pay $5 for a burger that has an equal chance of being good or disgusting or would you rather get it for free?

And the way I am thinking of it, (I mean I'm still poor now so but you will know what I mean....)

If I have a great burger, I won't get all twisted on if the chef charged me $5 or $6 because the burger was really good and the cost difference is minor.

JK was a waste of $6 because it was a sh*tty burger.
Bojo is $6 well spent because it's a good burger. Even if there is supposedly another restaruant in town (though unknown) that serves the same delicious for burger for $5.

If you have the great burger already, sure. But what if you don't know if it will be great or not. That's the issue with spending a 5th on a punter, you don't know if they will be good and you have just as good of odds with a free agent.

Swapping a 6th for a 7th for Bojo is not a bad deal at all. Scott in the 5th was a bad deal mostly because he was bad, but it was bad value too. If he was good, no one would really care about the bad value. It was just an unnecessary amount to spend though.

The trade was also smart because he was already a quality punter, no need to rely on our ST coaches to make the guy good.

Pckfn23 wrote: ↑

30 Sep 2021 16:41

In 2020, 11 of the top 20 punters by yards per punt went undrafted.

Same in 2019.
10 out of 20 in 2018.
8 out of 20 in 2017.
7 out of 20 in 2016.
8 out of 20 in 2015.
9 out of 20 in 2014.
7 out of 20 in 2013.
8 out of 20 in 2012.
9 out of 20 in 2011.

What is the average rate of drafted/undrafted punters?